AngusCowBoy
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What would you rather raise, registered herefords or registered red angus, and why would you choose the one you pick.
If you had to pick one
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hillsdown
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AngusCowBoy said:
Registered Gelbvieh :wink:
Why ? my pasture is already full of them.
It depends on what does well in your area ,as well as what breed you actually like and enjoy working with. In my area 2 and 3 way crosses do very well. Buck skin baldies usually top the sales .
Soapweed
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You could always use both Herefords and Red Angus, forget about registration papers, have a wonderful commericial herd, and keep life easier. They do cross very well together, and your herd stays red with no black impurities. :wink:
aandtcattle
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First of all, I am going to start by saying the hereford breed has improved their cattle immensely in the last 5 years. There are a lot of herefords around today that I really like. However, they still have too much white on them and I am a guy who has salved sunburnt tits and I have had baldies prolapse and I have removed bad eyes. These are all far less than desireable experiences! I just think the red angus breed has more "convenience traits" about them, even though I have worked some really hot blooded reds, I still would prefer them over the herefords. The red angus cows are really easy fleshing, calving ease is built in and their mothering ability is quite good. You give me fully pigmented herefords that don't prolapse, and my choice may be different. By the way, I don't have either breed on my place, I am strictly a angus and shorthorn outfit now. Yes, my shorthorns are almost all red and the few roans I have are heavily pigmented. (just to prohibit any future posts about me being hypocritical, saying i don't want herefords because they have too much white on them while i raise a buch of white bagged shorthorns. This is not the case and I would venture to guess that my shorthorn herd is amongst the most solid red in the world! 
perfecho
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I'm with Hillsdown!!!!! ;-)
PATB
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too far to travel to get a quality base herd of either so I will stick with my black angus. I would take red angus over herdford because I like angus cattle.
I would take red angus over herdford because I like angus cattle.in the last 10 years, I have had zero prolaps, 2 bad eyes, and no sunburned tits.
my herefords are the most calm wonderful mammas , and my neighbors keep going to the hospital cause thier angus cows kick and charge....
this blizzard that rolled through, we have had 10 babies so far out in it, the mommas get them up and get them going, and all I have to do is usher them to the loafin shed to keep the babies out of the wind.....
so tired of the old tales about bad hereford cattle....those have been weeded out.
people often forget that to raise those over priced baldie calves you need that Hereford bull!
my herefords are the most calm wonderful mammas , and my neighbors keep going to the hospital cause thier angus cows kick and charge....
this blizzard that rolled through, we have had 10 babies so far out in it, the mommas get them up and get them going, and all I have to do is usher them to the loafin shed to keep the babies out of the wind.....
so tired of the old tales about bad hereford cattle....those have been weeded out.
people often forget that to raise those over priced baldie calves you need that Hereford bull!
nortexsook
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jigs said:
I used to let it frustrate me, now I just mark it up to ignorance. Lots of folks don't want to do things "Daddy's Way" so they are inclined to thing of every bad incidence ever and attribute it to Herefords. In 25 years Angus will be "Daddy's Way" and they will have their own problems. I am not advocating anyone raise straight commercial herefords. I think an Angus bull on Hereford cows is awfully hard to beat with Angus cows and a Hereford bull a close second, but hey, that's just me.
Northern Rancher
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The bad feet and disposition problems in Angus are probably greater than the udders, eyes and prolapses in Hfds. Any breeder that is willing to make a conscious effort to correct any of the above will do well.
the disposition thing is , in my opinion, the greatest culling factor. my wife and kids help do the sorting, and a wild cow ALWAYS goes to town...no need to keep some old bag that will eventually hurt someone. seeing my neighbors getting pinned and kicked every year is the main reason we have no black cattle here...
PATB
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jigs said:
I have help with the maine beef producers feeder calf sales for 15 years and every breed has its challenges. The worse I have handle have been chi's, limmi and offspring of a simmi bull who were nuts with the occaisonal ext descendant. Bad disposition cattle is the fault of the breeder, Burger king needs beef everyday. Some of the problems the different breeds have can be attributed to severe lack of selection pressure against challenge cattle.
PATB
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jigs said:
It is amazing how fast your herd improves if the kickers and bad disposition animals are beefed. The selection process needs to start at weaning time. If your neighbors continues to keep cattle that injure them then there is no cure for their stupidity. Life is too short to have bad disposition cattle.
Big Swede
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I sold a trailer load of 12 year old open cows yesterday. They averaged just under $1,000 per head. If every cow on the ranch performed like those old girls, wouldn't that be something. Every one of them raised 10 calves for me. By the way they were Angus. :wink:
Northern Rancher
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I don't shrug off bad feet and crazies just because I get the pleasure of shipping them. Was doing some feeder association business at a purebred Angus breeders today when those exact two problems came up-he shipped an entire sire group last year because of disposition-half a semiload of prime age cattle-there's a cost to that too.
PATB
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Northern Rancher said:
The first loss is the best loss. Yes he took a hit on those cattle but it is better than fighting the problems for the next decade plus. He sounds like a cattle breeder not a multiplier.
Northern Rancher
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They paid there dues in the commercial business for alot of years.