The Vet is coming tomorrow for Spring vaccinations and wants to give my horse an IM Wormer (for $28 additional). I already do a 3 way rotation paste wormer every 8 weeks. Do you think I need this? I am trying to research this and find only swine and bovine im wormers. Please advise Thanks, Jan
IM Wormer for Horses?
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leanin' H
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We worm ours twice a year. But our cold weather helps control a lot of the worms in our manure. I've never IM wormed a horse. Let us know what ya find out. Welcome! 
Big Muddy rancher
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Ivomec used to have an injectable wormer for horses. To many died from clostridial infections. Not from the wormer but from the physical shot. It got pulled from the market at least up here.
Faster horses
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I wouldn't do it.
If you really want to clean up worms (whether in your area or up here) do the Panacur Power Pack--I think it's a 6 day regime. It WILL get rid of all worms but bots. And I think it's a lot less than $28.
And if you really want to save money, read how much to give your horse on the Panacur box and go get some Safe-guard tube wormer. It's the very same ingredient, only costs more when it's packaged for horses.
Safe-guard gets way more worms in cattle and horses than any
ivomectrin product--except bots.
Hope this helps!!
If you really want to clean up worms (whether in your area or up here) do the Panacur Power Pack--I think it's a 6 day regime. It WILL get rid of all worms but bots. And I think it's a lot less than $28.
And if you really want to save money, read how much to give your horse on the Panacur box and go get some Safe-guard tube wormer. It's the very same ingredient, only costs more when it's packaged for horses.
Safe-guard gets way more worms in cattle and horses than any
ivomectrin product--except bots.
Hope this helps!!
QUEST® PLUS (moxidectin/praziquantel) Equine Oral Gel when administered at the recommended dose level of 0.4 mg moxidectin/kg and 2.5 mg praziquantel/kg (2.2 lb) body weight is effective in the treatment and control of the following stages of gastrointestinal parasites in horses and ponies: Large Strongyles, Small Strongyles, Encysted cyathostomes, Ascarids, Pinworms, Hairworms, Large-mouth stomach worms, Horse stomach bots, Tapeworms,
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Faster horses
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Please note--I said Safeguard/Panacur doesn't get bots. 
I'm suprised that Quest gets tapeworms, cuz any of the
avermectin products sure don't kill tapeworms in cattle. Only
Safeguard used at 2x recommended dosage and Valbazan kill
tapeworms. Valbazan can only be used for a window of time. (read the label, cuz where you buy it, they won't mention that fact.)
So, in the fall after the first freeze, we use liquid Ivomec. It's easy to administer. Put it in a syringe and shoot it in the side of their mouth. For
the rest of the time we use Safeguard, because it gets more worms and is very SAFE!! :shock:
You can feed Safeguard in pellets in feed for horses that aren't easy
to worm. You can do it over a few days. It's always better to worm
anything over a few days, than a blast all at once.
I've attended several of Dr. Bliss (Mid America Labs) seminars on
worming. He is one of the worlds formost parasiteologists.
Wow. That's a big word.
Seriously, tho. I didn't know this stuff til I learned it from him.
And the arena competitors do the Power Pack at least once a year
on their horses.
But they all work. Just some better than others and some are less money.
I'm suprised that Quest gets tapeworms, cuz any of the
avermectin products sure don't kill tapeworms in cattle. Only
Safeguard used at 2x recommended dosage and Valbazan kill
tapeworms. Valbazan can only be used for a window of time. (read the label, cuz where you buy it, they won't mention that fact.)
So, in the fall after the first freeze, we use liquid Ivomec. It's easy to administer. Put it in a syringe and shoot it in the side of their mouth. For
the rest of the time we use Safeguard, because it gets more worms and is very SAFE!! :shock:
You can feed Safeguard in pellets in feed for horses that aren't easy
to worm. You can do it over a few days. It's always better to worm
anything over a few days, than a blast all at once.
I've attended several of Dr. Bliss (Mid America Labs) seminars on
worming. He is one of the worlds formost parasiteologists.
Wow. That's a big word.
Seriously, tho. I didn't know this stuff til I learned it from him.
And the arena competitors do the Power Pack at least once a year
on their horses.
But they all work. Just some better than others and some are less money.
gcreekrch
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The old-timers up here used to put a bottle cap full of sulpher in their using horse's grain every day until they could run a hand down the horse's back and it would come away yellow. No worms, no lice.
Chickshunt2
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Quest wil not kill tapeworms! BUT QUEST PLUS will! It's a combo like ZIMECTERIN Gold.
Here is a link to the quest web page.http://www.fortdodgelivestock.com/equine/equine-quest.htm and the page for Zimecterin gold http://www.zimecterin.com/ZG_Consumer_Brochure.pdf
I rotate between Quest Plus,TapeCare Plus, Zimecterin Gold and once a year I do a "power pac" I do not always use "Panacur Power Pac" but like someone else said the drug in it is fenbendazole and as long as you follow the dosing for a "power pac" It will work the same but cost less. I live in North Dakota and I use the freezing weather to help me "clean out" all traces of worms with my horses. I worm year round and by each spring everyone is starting with a "clean" slate so to speak. I have heard of the IM wormer but I have only heard BAD things about it! I will not use it in my horse..why take the risk?! My guys are very good for their paste, heck even Dream who needs TWO tubes of everything because he is a XL-Draft stands nicely and takes his second dose like a pro.
If fighting with your horse over worming is a pain teach them to LOVE it! Save an old wormer tube, clean it up and give "shots" of honey, suger water, molasses, corn syrup...anything Yummy! Trust me before you know it they will see the tube and be trying to be the 1st one to get their mouth on it! I have done this with all my horses and like I said they all stand great for it...no halters needed and heck Dream gets two doses and still gladly wraps his lips around the second tube! ( He may not be the brightest light bulb in the box! But I love him ...lol)
Kato
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A word of warning on the Quest thing.
Don't use it for a heavily infested horse, or for a first time on a colt. It's actually too effective for some animals. It will kill "encysted" worms that are still in the wall of the gut, and that other wormers don't touch. This can cause them to release toxins as they die that can make the horse very ill. A friend of mine lost a horse like this. Shortly after worming, the horse developed a horrific case of diarhea and they could not save it, even though they did everything they could.
On horses that are regularly wormed, and don't carry too heavy a parasite load, it's a great product. I'd choose carefully which horses to use it on thought.
Don't use it for a heavily infested horse, or for a first time on a colt. It's actually too effective for some animals. It will kill "encysted" worms that are still in the wall of the gut, and that other wormers don't touch. This can cause them to release toxins as they die that can make the horse very ill. A friend of mine lost a horse like this. Shortly after worming, the horse developed a horrific case of diarhea and they could not save it, even though they did everything they could.
On horses that are regularly wormed, and don't carry too heavy a parasite load, it's a great product. I'd choose carefully which horses to use it on thought.
Faster horses
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I talked to my powers-that-be about Quest wormer. Here's what I got back. Thought I would share it:
"If you use safeguard you won't have to worry about killing too many bugs. I
think that using Quest or Ivermectins you cause your horse to have some kind
of shock. How do you know that a colt or horse is heavily infested? Take
fecals and go from there, I use Safe Guard three or four times a season and
use something for botts in the fall. I take fecals regularly and I dont'
have worms and neither do my horses."
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"If you use safeguard you won't have to worry about killing too many bugs. I
think that using Quest or Ivermectins you cause your horse to have some kind
of shock. How do you know that a colt or horse is heavily infested? Take
fecals and go from there, I use Safe Guard three or four times a season and
use something for botts in the fall. I take fecals regularly and I dont'
have worms and neither do my horses."
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Faster horses
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I received another e-mail regarding my inquiry about Quest dewormer. I knew I had heard something about it causing some real problems in the past, but could't remember WHAT or WHY.
Here is what I received, FWIW:
"A word of warning on the Quest thing.
Don't use it for a heavily infested horse, or for a first time on a colt.
It's actually too effective for some animals. It will kill "encysted" worms
that are still in the wall of the gut, and that other wormers don't touch.
This can cause them to release toxins as they die that can make the horse
very ill. A friend of mine lost a horse like this. Shortly after worming,
the horse developed a horrific case of diarhea and they could not save it,
even though they did everything they could.
On horses that are regularly wormed, and don't carry too heavy a parasite
load, it's a great product. I'd choose carefully which horses to use it on
thought."
Here is what I received, FWIW:
"A word of warning on the Quest thing.
Don't use it for a heavily infested horse, or for a first time on a colt.
It's actually too effective for some animals. It will kill "encysted" worms
that are still in the wall of the gut, and that other wormers don't touch.
This can cause them to release toxins as they die that can make the horse
very ill. A friend of mine lost a horse like this. Shortly after worming,
the horse developed a horrific case of diarhea and they could not save it,
even though they did everything they could.
On horses that are regularly wormed, and don't carry too heavy a parasite
load, it's a great product. I'd choose carefully which horses to use it on
thought."
Little help-please?
I use the Safeguard Liquid Cattle Wormer on my goats and was told that we could also use it for power packing the horses. I bought a 1000ml bottle for the horses and the seller told me to use 52ml per day for 5 days. (i think-i may have written down wrong) The bottle says to use 23ml per 1000#'s so I am guessing that we are doing a little more than 2x that amount because it is a power pack?
Does anyone know if this is correct? Thank You!
I use the Safeguard Liquid Cattle Wormer on my goats and was told that we could also use it for power packing the horses. I bought a 1000ml bottle for the horses and the seller told me to use 52ml per day for 5 days. (i think-i may have written down wrong) The bottle says to use 23ml per 1000#'s so I am guessing that we are doing a little more than 2x that amount because it is a power pack?
Does anyone know if this is correct? Thank You!
VB RANCH
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i use ivovec injectable to worm horses, 10 or 12cc's right down there throat, think its got the same dope in it as some paste wormers, never killed one never will
VB RANCH said:
That's how we've done it around here for years, usually mixed with some pancake syrop. They'll get so they suck it out of the syringe.
Last year or so we've been using the pour on Ivomec on horses that we're not riding for a while.
gcreekrch
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The old-timers here used to feed a teaspoon of sulpher in their using horses every day until you could run your hand down their back and it would come away yellow. The horses looked good after a worming.
Faster horses
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Flossie, you are right on--Power Pack is twice as much for 5 days. It's quite a lot to give at one time, so you
might want to give it morning and night. Make sure they get it all...doesn't matter what you use, if you don't get it in 'em, they don't get wormed.
You might want to give them part, make sure they got it down and give them the rest and not give it all at once.
Ivomec wormers do NOT get the worms that fenebenzole does.
The only thing fenebenzole (Safe-guard or Panacur) does not get
is bots. So you need to use an Ivomectrin product for bots.
In our area we give Ivomec after a freeze.
It's best to rotate wormers, but be sure you have fenebenzole as part of that rotation. Our friend in Texas has to worm his horses every 6 weeks, so he rotates a lot, but his best wormer is fenebenzole. And with the Power Pack you will really clean up the worms in your horses.
Good luck. Let us know how it goes. Hope this helps!
might want to give it morning and night. Make sure they get it all...doesn't matter what you use, if you don't get it in 'em, they don't get wormed.
You might want to give them part, make sure they got it down and give them the rest and not give it all at once.
Ivomec wormers do NOT get the worms that fenebenzole does.
The only thing fenebenzole (Safe-guard or Panacur) does not get
is bots. So you need to use an Ivomectrin product for bots.
In our area we give Ivomec after a freeze.
It's best to rotate wormers, but be sure you have fenebenzole as part of that rotation. Our friend in Texas has to worm his horses every 6 weeks, so he rotates a lot, but his best wormer is fenebenzole. And with the Power Pack you will really clean up the worms in your horses.
Good luck. Let us know how it goes. Hope this helps!
VB RANCH
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sure enuff make a guy nervus draging calves around a brandin fire,hahagcreekrch said: