Big Muddy rancher
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Not sure if I like this. :?
http://www.shotmade.com/2013/01/14/trackingpoint-2013-extreme-distance-hunting/
http://www.shotmade.com/2013/01/14/trackingpoint-2013-extreme-distance-hunting/
IS this really hunting?
- Thread starter Big Muddy rancher
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And here I thought I was doing good to put a round through the bullseye with a new 30-30 at 258 yards. According to my range finder.
The way the screen was moving all over, there is NO way they could hit that far, with out all the technology.
The way the screen was moving all over, there is NO way they could hit that far, with out all the technology.
Mike
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I have been a student of Long Range Shooting for several years now. It came about when once in Colorado shooting prairie dogs. That day, my partner and I were hitting them sporadically from 600-800 yards and wanted to be more consistent.
The ethical challenge in shooting larger game at long distances is to use a bullet/caliber with enough speed to mushroom the projectile on impact and enough energy to get sufficient penetration.
It doesn't take a lot of technology.
1-A good steady rest for an accurate gun.
2-Knowing the distance. (Simple laser rangefinder or have the distances marked beforehand will do.)
3-A good scope that will "track". (Holdover with crosshairs is not good enough. You must "click" the scope up to be zero at your shooting distance and know how many clicks up to get that "zero".)
4-A lot of homework with a complete grasp of "bullet drop" and what your bullet does in various wind conditions.
5-A shooting partner.
The ethical challenge in shooting larger game at long distances is to use a bullet/caliber with enough speed to mushroom the projectile on impact and enough energy to get sufficient penetration.
It doesn't take a lot of technology.
1-A good steady rest for an accurate gun.
2-Knowing the distance. (Simple laser rangefinder or have the distances marked beforehand will do.)
3-A good scope that will "track". (Holdover with crosshairs is not good enough. You must "click" the scope up to be zero at your shooting distance and know how many clicks up to get that "zero".)
4-A lot of homework with a complete grasp of "bullet drop" and what your bullet does in various wind conditions.
5-A shooting partner.
Hayguy
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Mike said:
what rifle,scope,caliber,load etc are you using?
Mike
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Vortex, Leupold, and Burris scopes all with target knobs.hayguy said:
Mostly "Custom" barreled guns on blueprinted Remington 700 & XP-100 actions. I prefer Shilen barrels. Have one Hall action gun. All bolt actions.
22-250 "Ackley Improved", 7MM STW, .257 Weatherby, among others.
The loads would be specific for the greatest amount of velocity in each caliber.
Should you want more detail on any particular caliber I could provide that.
My first "Long Range" gun was the 7mm STW way back before any gun makers chambered for it. It's just an 8MM Rem Mag necked down to 7MM. Has killed several deer from 600-800 yards. All DRT.
It pushes a 162 grain bullet at around 3500+ and the Berger VLD's are supreme.
Mike
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYjupg1eLkc
Saddleup
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Mike, myself also an avid hunter, I would have to think that in long range shooting your chances of wounding game would drastically increase. I don't see that being too much of a problem with pdogs, and small varmits etc,. How confident are you in say an 900-1000 yd shot on a deer? Must admit I have always been curious about long ranges shooting, but long range wounding is always in the back of my mind. 8)
Mike
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Saddleup said:
I feel it's a lot less than someone taking a 50-100 yard "Freehand" shot at a deer.
Staying away from shooting in high wind conditions, doing your homework by knowing your ballistics and bullet capabilities lessens those chances immensely.
900-1,000 yards is at the very upper limits unless you go to .338 Lapua or .50 BMG.
Had a client shoot a deer at 464 yards yesterday afternoon with a .257 Weatherby. He was like a little kid when it fell DRT. He blew up his phone telling all his friends........................
I do warn that taking a factory built gun with a 3X9 scope and factory loads while shooting over the hood of the truck at those distances doesn't work at all. I'll have no part of that.
Hayguy
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:agree: it really all boil's down to this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VrFV5r8cs0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VrFV5r8cs0
Hayguy
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look's like you've put together some mighty fine shootin' irons there Mike.
I haven't hunted big game for quite some time now but am an avid/fanatical gopher(Richardson's ground squirell) hunter. finally broke the 500yd mark last year and now am working on 6 :wink: practice,practice, and KNOW your equipment.
I haven't hunted big game for quite some time now but am an avid/fanatical gopher(Richardson's ground squirell) hunter. finally broke the 500yd mark last year and now am working on 6 :wink: practice,practice, and KNOW your equipment.
I am not saying shots that far aren't possible. I know they are, and I am getting to where I can, on paper, make a 600 yard shot with my 7mm. What I don't understand about the video is, watch to x. Its jumping all over the place, on most of the shots. The average person isn't going to be able to just pick up the rifle, even with the "experts" telling them where and how to adjust the scope, and make a 1000 yard shot.
I know a guy over south of Soapweed, that swears with his rifle and loads, I could take down a coyote at 1000 yards all the time. So maybe.....
I know a guy over south of Soapweed, that swears with his rifle and loads, I could take down a coyote at 1000 yards all the time. So maybe.....
Mike
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hayguy said:
Most fun a person can have with his clothes on! :wink:
Whatcha shootin'?
Mike
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Poor choice of a "Rifle Rest"on the last shot by just sitting the front end of the gun on a rest and trying to control the back end of the gun with the shoulder only, shouldn't happen.
I don't believe that for a moment.
We either use a bipod for the front of the rifle with sandbags on the rear, or sandbags on front and rear.
Shooting with a bipod while prone is fairly stable, but not optimum unless there is a sandbag under the rear of the stock..
We don't take "Potshots".
I don't believe that for a moment.
We either use a bipod for the front of the rifle with sandbags on the rear, or sandbags on front and rear.
Shooting with a bipod while prone is fairly stable, but not optimum unless there is a sandbag under the rear of the stock..
We don't take "Potshots".
Hayguy
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Mike said:
long range gun's include a savage model 12 in .204 ruger,using 40gr v-max's over RL 15 with cci BR primers, when i do my part it's less then an inch at 300.
also a m98 with a Ron Smith barrel with gain twist in 6.5-06. timney trigger gun shoot's much better than I
was built for 600 yd class and did very well with other shooter's , still workin' on it :wink: have several other's in varmint/predator calibre's, mostly savages with the odd rem. and ruger and cz thrown in.
Mike
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hayguy said:Mike said:
long range gun's include a savage model 12 in .204 ruger,using 40gr v-max's over RL 15 with cci BR primers, when i do my part it's less then an inch at 300.
also a m98 with a Ron Smith barrel with gain twist in 6.5-06. timney trigger gun shoot's much better than I
have several other's in varmint/predator calibre's, mostly savages with the odd rem. and ruger and cz thrown in.
.204 -Nice. I would like one. I mounted a scope & zeroed one a few weeks ago. It was a Browning. The Chrony said 3600+ fps w/40 grain Hornady factory loads. Not too shabby. 1" at 300 ain't either. :wink:
By the way. The guy shot a deer that afternoon with his new .204. Neckshot. DRT.
Hayguy
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really like my .204, work's quite a bit better than the .17's (hmr's and fireball) seem's like there is less wind deflection with it than the .22's as well
faster and flatter :wink:
faster and flatter :wink:
Mike
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hayguy said:
Yes, there is a "need for speed".
Have noticed that the barrels that shoot exceptionally good also shoot better in the wind than just the so-so barrels.
The Benchrest guys call that a "Hummer" barrel.
I used to have a .222 Remington Magnum (parent case of the .204 Ruger) and it was a real shooter. Don't know why I ever sold it. :roll:
Don't let that .204 barrel get too "coppered up" on you. It's a mess to get clean and will STOP shooting satisfactorily. Clean it well every 40-50 rounds.
jodywy
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Our Coyote rifle is a Howa modle 1500 bull barrel in a 204 Rugar, it has a 6-18x40 Millit Scope, The scope a great light gather you can see thru it on a clear moon light night. we drop a few yotes over 400 yards one close to 500.
usually shoot a factory Hornady 40 grain V-Max thats -13.2 in at 400 yards and -28.1 in at 500 when in zeroed in at 200 yards.
usually shoot a factory Hornady 40 grain V-Max thats -13.2 in at 400 yards and -28.1 in at 500 when in zeroed in at 200 yards.
jodywy
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I have a Freedom Arms 97 in a .17HRM, No scope but I can do a silver dollar group off a good rest at 100 yards, now with a scope and a steader hand I bet a good pistol shot could tighten that grop down alot.
http://www.gunblast.com/Freedom97-17.htm
http://www.gunblast.com/Freedom97-17.htm
Hayguy
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Mike said:
know all about copper, had a .17 rem for a while had to scrub it out every 20 rds or so, would go from a 1/2 inch gun to 2 inches real quick. the .17 fireball isn't near as bad. less powder Have you ever used a product called "wipeout"?
