Islam: Are Muslims Permitted To Lie?

[Mike]

Question:
Are Muslims permitted to lie?



Summary Answer:
Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."

There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.



The Qur'an:
Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."

Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.

Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.

Qur'an (66:2) - "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths"

Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means 'deceit'. If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.

 

[loomixguy]

That's why the Fatman could "evolve" with such ease. His "God" told him it was OK to......

 

[smalltime]

God says no.Muhamed says yes.Who ya gonna trust?

 

[Brad S]

Obama is Muslim. Yeah, I think they lie proficiently

 

[Mike]

Obama is Muslim. Yeah, I think they lie proficiently

Just some of Buckwheat's lies:

- We hear a lot about the United States' Judeo-Christian heritage, but according to President Obama, "Islam has been woven into the fabric of our country since its founding."

That's what the president told a White House conference on "countering violent extremism" on Wednesday.

Obama has said similar things in the past:

"I also know that Islam has always been a part of America's story," Obama said in a June 2009 speech in Cairo, Egypt. "Islam has always been part of America," he said in a 2010 statement marking the start of Ramadan. And in a 2014 statement marking Eid, Obama said the holiday "also reminds us of the many achievements and contributions of Muslim Americans to building the very fabric of our nation and strengthening the core of our democracy."

In his speech on Wednesday, Obama was making the point that Western nations must show that they "welcome people of all faiths," at a time when "extremists" are saying that Western nations are "hostile to Muslims."



"Here in America, Islam has been woven into the fabric of our country since its founding. Generations -- (applause) -- Generations of Muslim immigrants came here and went to work as farmers and merchants and factory workers, helped to lay railroads and to build up America.

"The first Islamic center in New York City was founded in the 1890s. America's first mosque, this was an interesting fact, was in North Dakota." (It was established in 1929).

Both of those milestones happened well after America's founding, however. In fact, the new nation's first dealings with Islam were tense and unpleasant.

According to a Heritage Foundation paper, shortly after America's founding, the United States "was dragged into the affairs of the Islamic world by an escalating series of unprovoked attacks on Americans by Muslim pirates, the terrorists of the era," who looted American ships and captured American sailors, holding them for ransom or selling them as slaves.

The paper notes that America's struggle with Muslim pirates from the Barbary States (modern-day Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Libya) began soon after the 13 colonies declared their independence from Britain in 1776 and continued for roughly four decades.

In his remarks on Wednesday, President Obama said Muslim Americans now serve as police officers, firefighters, soldiers, "and in our intelligence communities and in homeland security."

He said Muslim American heroes are buried at Arlington National Cemetery, "having given their lives in defense of all of us."

"And, of course, that's the story extremists and terrorists don't want the world to know -- Muslims succeeding and thriving in America. Because when that truth is known, it exposes their propaganda as the lie that it is.

"It's also a story that every American must never forget, because it reminds us all that hatred and bigotry and prejudice have no place in our country. It is not just counterproductive. It doesn't just aid terrorists. It's wrong. It's contrary to who we are."

So-called hate crimes against Muslims escalated in this country after the terror attacks of September 11, 2001 -- attacks perpetrated by Islamic radicals -- but they have never reached the level of hate crimes against Jews, according to the FBI's annual Uniform Crime Reporting statistics.

In 2013, for example, 62.4 percent of hate crime victims were attacked because of anti-Jewish bias, while 11.6 percent were victims of anti-Islamic bias.

Compare that with the year before the 2001 terror attacks: In 2000, of the 1,699 victims of anti-religious hate crime, 74.6 percent were victims of an offender's anti-Jewish bias; and only 2.1 percent were victims of an offender's anti-Islamic bias.

President Obama on Wednesday stressed that U.S. is not at war with Islam:"We are at war with people who have perverted Islam," he said.

He also said the West and Islam are not in conflict; and that Islam is not incompatible with modern life, although in the same speech he urged other countries to invest in the education of both males and females -- "because countries will not be truly successful if half their populations, if their girls and their women, are denied opportunity."

In a speech to the same summit on Thursday, Obama noted that many Americans don't personally know a single Muslim, and they form a distorted impression about Islam by what they hear o the news.

 

[Faster horses]

"In a speech to the same summit on Thursday, Obama noted that many Americans don't personally know a single Muslim, and they form an impression about Islam by what they hear on the news."

There. Fixed.

Too bad for them that we get Fox News and the internet so we know what is going on....well, so far
anyway. Obama is trying to fix that too.

 

[Steve]

islam is woven in to the fabric of our nation and founding,.. just ask any Marine...

In President Obama's speech he stated (excerpt from President Obama's Transcript), "Throughout our history, Islam has contributed to the character of our country."

http://tomohalloran.com/2013/09/14/the-truth-of-the-marine-corps-anthem-and-the-united-states-war-with-radical-islam/


from the article..

You see in order to see through the cloud of lies, we have to go back to the beginning of US History. We have been at war with radical Islam since the beginning of the United States. The US Marine Corp was founded on this war. The Marine Corp Anthem is a deceleration of this war. The statue in Annapolis at the Naval Academy, that sat in front of the White House, commemorates this war.

By 1783, six percent of the United States budget was paid out to these Barbary forces. Literally thousands of vessels were taken, and more than a million Europeans and Americans sold into slavery.

. Then President George Washington then signed off on a tax system across the young country. It seemed to him ironic that a country founded on rebellion from unnecessary taxes was having to authorize taxing the States. (to pay the ransom and heavy cost of islamic taxation)

Obama clearly does not understand how the islamic barbarism has changed our nation.. but we should NEVER forget!



the article should be read by every freedom loving American.. as the truth is very revealing of how islam is woven into the fabric of this Nation.

(Last line of article)
Still it begs for a question to be raised. Was this not only the birth of the Marine Corp, but the birth of a 200 year war against radical Islam? That question is for you to decide now that you know the true history of the Marines and the Marine Corp Anthem.

 

[iwannabeacowboy]

Why are you trying to re-write history Steve?

Speaking of islam and it's history. Remember when they created Algebra and all the great literary works they saved in their libraries after they burned 1/2 the world?

 

[loomixguy]

Don't forget all of Hadji's special moments in slavery that have been happening for the last 14 centuries...
Which begs the question....which came first... The slave or the slave master?

 

[Broke Cowboy]

Why are you trying to re-write history Steve?

Speaking of islam and it's history. Remember when they created Algebra and all the great literary works they saved in their libraries after they burned 1/2 the world?

That of course was nothing more than horse poop spread to make believers out of disbelievers - although you already knew that.

Here is what they do today:

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/02/02/isis-burns-books-at-mosul-libraries-universities/

It is interesting - how so many were vilified - by the self righteous and educated elitists with their high level connections and their "pinkie curled" coffee drinking at embassies with their PhD islamic friends - over their stand that islam is coming and it is dangerous.

The educated and the elite told us that we were racist, islamophobic, fear mongers, hate spewers and much, much more.

Funny how those educated and elitists are being dis-proven and the "so called racist idiots" of the world who were doing the warning are now being proven correct.

It will get worse - mark my words.

Apparently the funeral of the shooter in Denmark was huge - attended by hundreds of male islamics.

There is a good chance that war will happen in Europe in a few years - either with Putin or with islamics - or worse - both!

(Check your food labels - if it has a halal approved stamp on it - that company sends money to islamist organizations - the food is "approved" by islamic leaders as being good for islamics. It is an islamic licensing fee! Google it - you will be amazed at who sends money to islamics in your country. Google "halal approved vendors in America". Islamics will vociferously deny this however that money is sent to terror organizations - and those organizations kill YOUR soldiers - you are helping to finance your own soldiers deaths)

Anyone ever heard of Creekstone Beef? Cadbury's? They pay the halal fee which finances terror And more - many more - all you have to do is research this..

As a soldier I always ask if the food is halal certified when I enter a restaurant - if it is I will not eat there. I will not finance the deaths of my brothers and sisters

In fact an organization in Canada is under investigation right now for doing just this - sending money to terror groups in the middle east and that cash comes from where? You guessed it.

This has caused a huge uproar in Australia where this was first detected and proved.

Lots more out there but most are not ready for it and will not believe it - yet.

In the meantime it will only get worse.

Unfortunately your Hussein Obama will do his best to help it get that way and he prays every day that people never find out.

And in keeping with the thread title - Yes islamics can lie.

In simple terms they are encouraged to lie to non-believers - and it is therefore not a sin - as long as it promotes islamic principles.

 

[Steve]

Why are you trying to re-write history Steve?

I guess being a fan of FACTS isn't very "cool" right now with the left,.. 8)

the left says something often enough that the uninformed think is is correct when the media doesn't challenge the idea..

so it is our responsibility to challenge the lefts lies and whiny emotional arguments..

 

[Traveler]

Why are you trying to re-write history Steve?

Speaking of islam and it's history. Remember when they created Algebra and all the great literary works they saved in their libraries after they burned 1/2 the world?

That of course was nothing more than horse poop spread to make believers out of disbelievers - although you already knew that.

Here is what they do today:

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/02/02/isis-burns-books-at-mosul-libraries-universities/

It is interesting - how so many were vilified - by the self righteous and educated elitists with their high level connections and their "pinkie curled" coffee drinking at embassies with their PhD islamic friends - over their stand that islam is coming and it is dangerous.

The educated and the elite told us that we were racist, islamophobic, fear mongers, hate spewers and much, much more.

Funny how those educated and elitists are being dis-proven and the "so called racist idiots" of the world who were doing the warning are now being proven correct.

It will get worse - mark my words.

Apparently the funeral of the shooter in Denmark was huge - attended by hundreds of male islamics.

There is a good chance that war will happen in Europe in a few years - either with Putin or with islamics - or worse - both!

(Check your food labels - if it has a halal approved stamp on it - that company sends money to islamist organizations - the food is "approved" by islamic leaders as being good for islamics. It is an islamic licensing fee! Google it - you will be amazed at who sends money to islamics in your country. Google "halal approved vendors in America". Islamics will vociferously deny this however that money is sent to terror organizations - and those organizations kill YOUR soldiers - you are helping to finance your own soldiers deaths)

Anyone ever heard of Creekstone Beef? Cadbury's? They pay the halal fee which finances terror And more - many more - all you have to do is research this..

As a soldier I always ask if the food is halal certified when I enter a restaurant - if it is I will not eat there. I will not finance the deaths of my brothers and sisters

In fact an organization in Canada is under investigation right now for doing just this - sending money to terror groups in the middle east and that cash comes from where? You guessed it.

This has caused a huge uproar in Australia where this was first detected and proved.

Lots more out there but most are not ready for it and will not believe it - yet.

In the meantime it will only get worse.

Unfortunately your Hussein Obama will do his best to help it get that way and he prays every day that people never find out.

And in keeping with the thread title - Yes islamics can lie.

In simple terms they are encouraged to lie to non-believers - and it is therefore not a sin - as long as it promotes islamic principles.

Kind of forgot about Creekstone since they wanted to test everything for BSE, but this is interesting. http://www.halaltransactions.org/#!Creekstone-Farms-Beef-update-and-proof-of-the-Halal-standards-of-HTO/c6rt/EBE2698F-E084-4544-8C9B-330493D75E45