• If you are having problems logging in please use the Contact Us in the lower right hand corner of the forum page for assistance.

It's really pretty simple!

C

cutterone

Well-known member
Joined
May 10, 2006
Messages
484
Location
Frankfort, Indiana
There have been a lot of posts about the BSE, Ecoli, borders & safety issues lately and I'm not so sure we just continually miss the ovious.
We all know that butchering, processing -what ever you want to call it has to be a hundred fold better that in the past! Even today if you have ever hunted deer you & I both know that it's not the most priseen conditions. You shoot the animal, gut it in the field (and how many have been gut shot or had a slip of the knife and cut the gut), take it home wash it off with the hose and hang it in a tree or the barn for a few days, then throw it on some bench or table and cut it up and package it. You think that bacteria wasn't present?? It's what you did after that.
For as long as I can remember we have fed bloodmeal, bonemeal and other ingredents to livestock. We didn't have BSE then. Come on- cement in toothpaste?? Rat posion in dog food?? Who the hell is checking what is being produced and sold? Apparently at some time we as a society decided we needed some type of consumer protection for what we eat and established a government agency to oversee what we eat. Good or bad what ever those standards are should be the same for any product produced here or anywhere in the world!
Secondly, it's time for the consumer to take some of the blame. It's pretty simple - if you don't use keep your food frozen, cooled, washed and cooked properly - you will ge sick! If you get drunk and go accross the center line and kill someone you don't blame your car!
Additionaly, I noticed in one of the other posts where it showed people from around the world and what they ate and it hit me the most that the more prominate people ate a lot more pre-prepared, snack, & pre-packaged foods. That's the crap that makes our 10 yr olds obese at the age of ten and by using products that probably should have been thrown in the garbage all to make someone's pockets fat! That also seems to be the biggest imported products to the USA and since we don't inspect each and every item that comes in there is more room for error. It's really pretty simple- you don't sell it or bring it in unless it's safe and cut down on the pre-prepaired items that we consume.
 
Some good points, cutterone.

And simple foods, close to nature as feasible, makes sense. But it isn't easy, fun, or always tasty, either. So doubt people will give up the 'goodies', but hopefully will think more about their choices.....while we still have a few choices!

"Do good-ers" and "Nanny-government" will take power as fast as we let them, and it seems to me they control consumer protection organizations now, and plan to control government inspection systems. "Buyer Beware" applies at least as much to government as to products purchased, IMO.

mrj
 
"Do good-ers" and "Nanny-government" will take power as fast as we let them, and it seems to me they control consumer protection organizations now, and plan to control government inspection systems. "Buyer Beware" applies at least as much to government as to products purchased, IMO.


MRJ.
Who do you mean by 'nanny-government'?
Click to expand...
 
Heads Up said:
"Do good-ers" and "Nanny-government" will take power as fast as we let them, and it seems to me they control consumer protection organizations now, and plan to control government inspection systems. "Buyer Beware" applies at least as much to government as to products purchased, IMO.


MRJ.
Who do you mean by 'nanny-government'?
Click to expand...
Click to expand...

I'm not going to speculate on what she means, but, as far as food policy, the large food corporations have the major influence on that policy. They are the ones producing the food(garbage) that is perpetuating our chronic health problems. She is right eat close to nature. Sometimes I wish I had never read this book...frustrating and gives me a wall to beat my head against.
 
Try a Google search. There are over 30,000 listings. Though some reference the 'old' meaning of "nanny", a child care person, there are many references to government and other programs that attempt to be a nanny to all or most of society.

The frantic effort to make us believe obesity is an epidemic which only government can hope to 'cure', as well as going overboard, all to often setting up bogus 'ills' which then require government help to 'cure'.

"Nannyism", IMO, is an attitude of and promoted by liberals, some in government, some in 'consumer' and other organizations, that ordinary people are helpless and incapable of making the 'right' decisions. God knows, enough people do prove that point daily to give them a bit of a point. However, how will people learn if they are continually 'rescued' from mistakes and don't have to face consequences for their foolish choices? How much are others hobbled by having to give up so much of their hard earned money as taxes to support both the 'disadvantaged' AND those who 'help' them? It's going beyond NECESSARY government regulation of food and product safety, a going beyone the reasonable responsible and into other areas of life.

mrj
 
The opposite of ''Nannyism"-- GWism--Fraud-Deceit-sick and dying kids- dying pets- consumers beware- anything goes as long as the multinational Corporate elite executive is stuffing his pockets full..... :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmXxrMC5Pv4


--------------------------------

Friedrat4.jpg

Before GW and his neocon buddies get thru selling out our country, we'll be considering this "gourmet dining".....
 
Over the last 30 years there has been a decrease of meat/food/health inspectors and technologists relative to the number of animals slaughtered and volume of meat processed. The facilities have expanded but the health staff have remained constant or even reduced, often where each facility had at least on technologist and their own laboratory, now one tech is responsible for multiple facilities, and as they have a regular routine to facilitate inspecting different centres, there is a clean-up mentality amongst the staff, so that on the day the tech arives to take swabs and samples for bacterial cultures, the facility has been cleaned and disinfected to a much higher standard than is usual.
 
mrj said:
Try a Google search. There are over 30,000 listings. Though some reference the 'old' meaning of "nanny", a child care person, there are many references to government and other programs that attempt to be a nanny to all or most of society.

The frantic effort to make us believe obesity is an epidemic which only government can hope to 'cure', as well as going overboard, all to often setting up bogus 'ills' which then require government help to 'cure'.

"Nannyism", IMO, is an attitude of and promoted by liberals, some in government, some in 'consumer' and other organizations, that ordinary people are helpless and incapable of making the 'right' decisions. God knows, enough people do prove that point daily to give them a bit of a point. However, how will people learn if they are continually 'rescued' from mistakes and don't have to face consequences for their foolish choices? How much are others hobbled by having to give up so much of their hard earned money as taxes to support both the 'disadvantaged' AND those who 'help' them? It's going beyond NECESSARY government regulation of food and product safety, a going beyone the reasonable responsible and into other areas of life.

mrj
Click to expand...

mrj, it seems you are willing to give anyone in business a free ride on faulty or inaccurate advertising and then blame the consumer for the "choices" they make.

Don't you believe at lest in truth in advertising and businesses producing or selling safe products?

You seem to have gone overboard on allowing toys to be sold to children (it is in their nature to put things in their mouth at certain ages) that have lead content in them. Do you blame the children for their nature or the businesses who produce/sell unsafe products?

Forget that question. We have already had you answer that one.
 
Tex/Econ, your "truth crystal ball" is obviously out of order.....again!!!

Do really believe the levels of bureaucracy necessary to fully protect every foolish person, and every foolish action taken occasionally by relatively wise people can be achieved, or is even desired?

How arrogant to assume we cannot be trusted to be a bit skeptical of advertising claims, and that we must have hordes of bureaucrats constantly monitoring our lives.

CERTAINLY, there should be testing. There SHOULD be consequences for cheating. There SHOULD be warnings of age appropriateness on toys for small children. AND THERE ARE!

MOST OF ALL, parents should have the common sense to pay attention to warnings, or are you one of those who believe ordinary people simply are too ignorant to raise their children without the state putting them all into day care from the beginning?

YES, you have had my answer previously.......and YES, you HAVE distorted and twisted the meaning of what I've said to suit your own silly agenda.......repeatedly!!! How truly tiresome and boring your rants are.
mrj
 
Thanks for the nanny-government clarification. I get it now.
Also I don't think more testing of toys and other products is going to improve anything. Until consumers quit buying stuff from China nothing will change. Hope food production doesn't move there too.
 
mrj, here is the deal on selling to the consumer...
A hypothetical...
A housewife is going to feed her family steak and salad. At the store she picks up two heads of lettuce...one is crisp, clean and fresh...the other is a little off color and has a black blight. We all know which one she takes home to feed her family.
She goes to the meat counter and looks at two steaks. We have our own blights...E.coli, BSE, antibiotics. The problem is that she can't look at these two steaks and see which one might have a blight. For her to believe the steak is safe and doesn't have a blight, she has to TRUST OUR industry! Everything that happens to undermine that trust, hurts our beef sales...EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!! That is the reason for the decline in the beef industry and until it is addressed and corrected(in a very public manner), beef won't regain market share!!!!!! That is CBB's job.
 
mrj said:
Tex/Econ, your "truth crystal ball" is obviously out of order.....again!!!

Do really believe the levels of bureaucracy necessary to fully protect every foolish person, and every foolish action taken occasionally by relatively wise people can be achieved, or is even desired?

How arrogant to assume we cannot be trusted to be a bit skeptical of advertising claims, and that we must have hordes of bureaucrats constantly monitoring our lives.

CERTAINLY, there should be testing. There SHOULD be consequences for cheating. There SHOULD be warnings of age appropriateness on toys for small children. AND THERE ARE!

MOST OF ALL, parents should have the common sense to pay attention to warnings, or are you one of those who believe ordinary people simply are too ignorant to raise their children without the state putting them all into day care from the beginning?

YES, you have had my answer previously.......and YES, you HAVE distorted and twisted the meaning of what I've said to suit your own silly agenda.......repeatedly!!! How truly tiresome and boring your rants are.
mrj
Click to expand...


No, mrj, I don't believe any govt. agency could protect against your foolishness, but I am pointing out how your foolishness in the NCBA hurts cattlemen.

Should the govt. have laws to protect the populace? Of course. It is one of the purposes of govt. Should there be consequences? Of course. Are the current consequences working? NO. So up the consequences. It is plain and simple. Instead, you claim businesses should be able to "make a buck". You have also said we might all be going back to whittled toys if we had greater consequences. Of course this wasn't even close to being true. We can have toys that are not whittled at home and we can have them be safe--if we took the profit motive out of making them unsafe.

If China, for instance, is selling lead toys in the U.S., something the U.S. companies do not do because they know they can be sued and lose their capital--not allowed when dealing with a Chinese company--, stop allowing them to sell ANY toys in the U.S. No, we won't go back to all whittled toys, and we might have a few more people employed here in the U.S.

The problem with you is that you do not support consequences that will make a difference, and instead support "businesses making money".

Russia just threw out a lot of beef that was imported because it did not have the proper vet. papers for import. Do you think that is a real consequence that would make a difference? Do you think our politicians can be as smart as Russian import police in order to stop things from happening they don't want to happen, or are they just not as good as Russian legislators because industry pays them of not to hold them accountable? Should we stop and do nothing, as your post would seem to indicate, because we can't have govt. save all the people from themselves?

You truly do amaze me, mrj.

We need a bureaucracy that will actually do something, not lead by political appointees who get them to do nothing or just study the problem. This is what happens when you put industry in charge of regulating themselves. It is happening with Nord, and it is happening with Chucky boy in the USDA. They have a whole lot of lawyers on the public dole making sure these agencies do not accomplish their mission.

I bet the Russians have better methods of dealing with these kind of corrupt attorneys than we do--- we just give them govt. jobs and have them argue with each other, not getting anything done and stopping real actions from correcting companies (taking out their profit motive and having real consequences) who are paying off politicians.
 
A question for you guys since you are more versed in much of this.
What are the protocols, steps to import foods into the USA? Is everything brokered with a private firm or the government? I know that there are middlemen but if you wanted to make someone accountable for shipping in an inferior or unsafe product what's the traceback? Is the USDA solely responsible?
 
Regarding the inspection process, you would normally be dealing with Agriculture Canada and their food & plant products inspectors only after the shipment arrives in US. The process goes like this:
1. Your supplier in Canada applies to their Ministry of Agriculture for a permit to export foods to USA and would require a "Phytosanitary Certificate"
2. The Canadian authorities would know the regulations and would often come and inspect the goods prior to or at point of loading the container for export and would know what the Canadian regulations require. Canada would issue a phyto-cert that says there are no diseases, fungus, bugs, etc in the goods (possibility that the container & contents would have to be fumigated after loading to comply with Canadian rules but US. inspectors would know the Canadian regulations which often are similar to USA).
3. When container arrives in US, at time of customs clearance you would have to produce ocean bills of lading, packing list, commercial invoice & original Phyto-sanitary certificate to your Customs Broker to clear the goods. Pay the duty (if applicable) & GST and that should be it.
4. It would be very difficult to ship foods if transloading from one container to another is performed like in Miami or Portland, however, if the goods are loaded into an Evergreen Lines container, sealed, and remain intact till cleared in US...there would be no problem.
5. Best to start with foods that "do not" require temp controlled or refrigeration, like canned goods which avoids the risk of spoiling because new guy shipping often experiences first-time customs delays. After shipping a few times, you can expand to reefer/frozen foods.
6. Regarding traceability, my advice would be to do a test run of the service using ScoringAg from field-to-door on a ScoringContainers.com phantom shipment - never, but never use a customer as a guinea-pig. It was this mistake that cost me a business many years ago when I used my customers to "test" new technology.
 
Cutterone; what's the traceback?

Answer;It will be needed for the COOL law which will be a audit trail proving that the product only came from Canada. USDA will check its validity and all handlers to make sure you were not shipping Austrialian beef brought into Canada to be re exported to the US.
 
Sorry I didn't ask it right I guess. I do good to type let alone type and think at the same time!
First I'm not wanting to import/export anything - I'm just curious about the trail back to where the import comes from. I understand that before it comes here that the USDA sets a standard of compliance that the product should meet. Then, supossedly the expoting country checks to see that those standards are met, and apon arrival the USDA and port athority is suppost to see that they are met before release.
One- are all of these deals privately brokered or just some?
Two- if it turns out to be faulty and gets through who gets the blame and penalty?
 
It goes thru the brokers which is part of the traceability record and the broker is not responsable for previous records. Bad records could get you banded from doing business and or fined.If the broker is the one cheating then he will lose his licence and or get fined too.
 
There used to be a certain standard that had to be met. Exporters used to have to have their product inspected by an equivalent process as the USDA. That left a few gray ares, to say the least. Now, the new Free Trade version is that we have to accept whatever is acceptable in the exporting country. Standards are being brought down to the lowest common deniminator.

Globalization at it's finest, my friend.
 

Latest posts

Back
Top