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"It's Time For a Revolt"

Mike

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Japan Situation Continues To Haunt The Market
Little progress has been made in reopening the border with Japan, and the delay is being felt in the fed-cattle market. Given the projected summer breakevens and the losses anticipated for the feeding industry, one would expect the political pressure to reopen the border to intensify.

This past week, Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice and U.S. Ambassador to Japan Thomas Schieffer again pressed the issue. Schieffer even suggested an all-out trade war could ensue if the issue isn't resolved soon. Still, Japan remains recalcitrant, and who can blame them? Japan has endured absolutely no consequences for its failure to abide by its agreement.

The billions of dollars the U.S. cattle industry has lost due to BSE are easy to dismiss when profits are at the record levels of recent years. The pain of lost opportunity, however, will be felt more directly in the coming months by feeders, and by cow-calf producers in next fall's calf market.

It's absolutely amazing the export situation hasn't evoked a greater outcry from grassroots cattlemens. We're either blind to it because of recent profits, or we've been distracted by frivolous internal debate about trade and BSE. These billions in losses will never be recaptured, and history likely will reveal the U.S. cattle industry largely allowed it happen through our passive, almost welcoming, acceptance of such treatment from a leading trading partner.

It's time for a revolt. Cattlemen should be throwing Sony Walkmans into Boston Harbor in outrage. Instead, we seemingly join Japan in concerns about the safety of our product -- despite all the scientific data to the contrary.

I've been criticized for seemingly abandoning my basic marketing principle of the customer always being right. First of all, I don't advocate the philosophy entirely. A customer focus is absolutely paramount but customers often don't know the possibilities or their true desires. Listening solely to the customer has a tendency to inspire incremental improvement while stifling innovation and radical bold new ideas.

Second, this isn't an issue of responding to consumer demands. It's an issue between two governments and whether Japan will live up to the agreement it signed. If the U.S. had access to Japanese markets and consumers and, through their purchases, Japanese consumers were signaling they wanted additional safeguards, that would be one thing, but that's not the case.

Those who advocate the U.S. accept whatever Japan -- as the customer -- demands is giving the green light to any non-tariff trade barrier. It effectively puts the global beef trade at peril, and is the very reason we have trade agreements, and why they need to be respected and enforced.

BSE is a case study in overreaction. No health risk has been more overstated or inflated in the minds of consumers. The U.S. has nothing to apologize for regarding the safety of its product. The U.S. has three cases of BSE out of a cattle inventory exceeding 100 million head.

Japan is the country that failed to institute safeguards and firewalls for years after the U.S. implemented them. Japan has had 24 cases of BSE and can expect to continue to see cases for quite a few years -- in a national cowherd that is a small fraction of that of the U.S.

While there's no risk to the Japanese consumer from eating beef of either Japan or U.S. origin, the fact is that if there were a risk, the risk from eating Japanese beef would be astronomically higher.

Lastly, it's time everyone understood what testing is all about. It's not about protecting consumers; that's done via age requirements and removing SRMs. Our politicians have allowed the largest segment of production ag in the U.S. to lose billions for no justifiable reason, and we in the industry have failed to adequately express our concern.

Last week's case of BSE, our third, underscores the U.S. system's difficulty in tracing the cow and documenting her age. It's been nearly three years since Canada had its first case of BSE, which underscored the importance of animal trace-back. Yet, the U.S. still doesn't have a national program in place.

When BSE was found in North America, some in the industry tried to tell people it was a Canadian problem. They tried to leverage the issue into achieving their political agenda relative to trade. They were willing not only to elevate the risk of BSE in consumers' minds but ignore sound science. Why isn't someone asking where we'd be today if these activists' agenda had been adopted. What would the consequences of their direction have been?

Others also claimed trade harmed the industry; the economists were all wrong, they howled. They pointed to record prices and profitability despite losing our world markets as proof.

Now, we can now look back and see prices were demand-driven, not supply-driven. We can see that in this time of record prices we actually imported near-record volumes of product, that we were suffering through the most negative trade balances in history, and actually had record net beef supply levels.

Where are these people who spread these assertions since proven false? Let's compare results to predictions.

I'm not saying we should spend a lot of time pointing out failures, and the incongruence between promises/assertions and results. I advocate moving forward, but it's dangerous to not study and grasp the failures of the past. The danger, of course, is we may be prone to repeat them.
-- Troy Marshall
 
This quote from the article deserves to be reprinted in bold........

" BSE is a case study in overreaction. No health risk has been more overstated or inflated in the minds of consumers".

The rest of the article is right on the money as well. I'd be proud to buy this Troy Marshall fella several cold beverages!!! :D :D

Good post Mr. Mike!! :)
 
TimH said:
This quote from the article deserves to be reprinted in bold........

" BSE is a case study in overreaction. No health risk has been more overstated or inflated in the minds of consumers".

The rest of the article is right on the money as well. I'd be proud to buy this Troy Marshall fella several cold beverages!!! :D :D

Good post Mr. Mike!! :)

Or mishandled.
 
Tim H, Your Quote or somebody else" BSE is a case study in overreaction. No health risk has been more overstated or inflated in the minds of consumers".

Health risk to WHAT??????? Animals? Humans? Take one infected animal through processing and move it into the resturant chain and you can see the amount of meals one animal provides should bring your senses out of the dark void its been swimming in.

No health Risk,might as well add a pint of Temik to your cattle ration.
 
Porker, is there verified, proveable research by internationally recognized scientists, showing an absolute connection between what I understand to be THEORIES of transmission of BSE between cattle ingesting contaminated feed, and from SRM's ingested by people and those people developing vCJD?

Would you please post it if you have such information?

MRJ
 
PORKER said:
Tim H, Your Quote or somebody else" BSE is a case study in overreaction. No health risk has been more overstated or inflated in the minds of consumers".

Health risk to WHAT??????? Animals? Humans? Take one infected animal through processing and move it into the resturant chain and you can see the amount of meals one animal provides should bring your senses out of the dark void its been swimming in.

No health Risk,might as well add a pint of Temik to your cattle ration.

That is a direct quote from the article,by Troy Marshall, that Mike posted.
Paragraph 9, first and second sentences, Porker. You did read it didn't you?? Did you understand it or was there some sort of "dark void" where the ninth paragraph should have been?? :roll: :roll:
 
One of the rules of trading stocks: It doesn't do any good to be right when everybody else is wrong.

Another saying; "Perception is reality".

Put the two together and figure it out.
 
MRJ said:
Porker, is there verified, proveable research by internationally recognized scientists, showing an absolute connection between what I understand to be THEORIES of transmission of BSE between cattle ingesting contaminated feed, and from SRM's ingested by people and those people developing vCJD?

Would you please post it if you have such information?

MRJ

Of course "Proveable" means many things to many people, i.e. "Gravity" is in existance, and we know it, but not proveable.

MRJ you need to read the "UK BSE INQUIRY" in it's entirety. There are many mistakes admitted by the goverment (which ours would never do) and lots of research by the leading scientists in the world, including Purdey.

Just a suggestion for your inquiring mind.
 
Porker, is there verified, proveable research by internationally recognized scientists,??????MRJ ,how much common sense have you lost over the years.Why is the SRM rule in effect?,How come there are Rapid BSE piron TESTs?Why did 55 country's quit buying beef? Your just being funny !
 
TimH said:
PORKER said:
Tim H, Your Quote or somebody else" BSE is a case study in overreaction. No health risk has been more overstated or inflated in the minds of consumers".

Health risk to WHAT??????? Animals? Humans? Take one infected animal through processing and move it into the resturant chain and you can see the amount of meals one animal provides should bring your senses out of the dark void its been swimming in.

No health Risk,might as well add a pint of Temik to your cattle ration.

That is a direct quote from the article,by Troy Marshall, that Mike posted.
Paragraph 9, first and second sentences, Porker. You did read it didn't you?? Did you understand it or was there some sort of "dark void" where the ninth paragraph should have been?? :roll: :roll:


TimH., you could quote SH all day long and be wrong every time you quoted him.
 
PORKER said:
Porker, is there verified, proveable research by internationally recognized scientists,??????MRJ ,how much common sense have you lost over the years.Why is the SRM rule in effect?,How come there are Rapid BSE piron TESTs?Why did 55 country's quit buying beef? Your just being funny !

No Porker. MRJ has drinking the gin again. I have tried and tried to get her on some good wine but she refuses. Some people just won't accept it.
 
Marshall, "Japanese consumers were signaling they wanted additional safeguards, that would be one thing, but that's not the case."

I think that is exactly the case. There is plenty of evidence that has been presented even here that refutes that claim.

Marshall, "Those who advocate the U.S. accept whatever Japan -- as the customer -- demands is giving the green light to any non-tariff trade barrier."

How can it be a trade barrier when it mirrors requirements placed on domestic producers? If the Japanese were truly implementing a trade barrier, wouldn't that barrier be to protect the domestic producers and if so, wouldn't ALL importers be acted on? Why would they put a barrier on us and not Australia? Imports haven't been stopped, they're only coming from a different source. This "trade barrier" isn't working - probably because it isn't a trade barrier.
 
Econ101 said:
TimH said:
PORKER said:
Tim H, Your Quote or somebody else" BSE is a case study in overreaction. No health risk has been more overstated or inflated in the minds of consumers".

Health risk to WHAT??????? Animals? Humans? Take one infected animal through processing and move it into the resturant chain and you can see the amount of meals one animal provides should bring your senses out of the dark void its been swimming in.

No health Risk,might as well add a pint of Temik to your cattle ration.

That is a direct quote from the article,by Troy Marshall, that Mike posted.
Paragraph 9, first and second sentences, Porker. You did read it didn't you?? Did you understand it or was there some sort of "dark void" where the ninth paragraph should have been?? :roll: :roll:


TimH., you could quote SH all day long and be wrong every time you quoted him.

Whatever you say, Econ. :roll: You do a much better job of "showcasing" your own "intelligence" than I could ever hope to.
Keep up the good work!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 
TimH said:
Econ101 said:
TimH said:
That is a direct quote from the article,by Troy Marshall, that Mike posted.
Paragraph 9, first and second sentences, Porker. You did read it didn't you?? Did you understand it or was there some sort of "dark void" where the ninth paragraph should have been?? :roll: :roll:


TimH., you could quote SH all day long and be wrong every time you quoted him.

Whatever you say, Econ. :roll: You do a much better job of "showcasing" your own "intelligence" than I could ever hope to.
Keep up the good work!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

As do you, TimH.
 
The U.S. has three cases of BSE out of a cattle inventory exceeding 100 million head.
ARE YOU SURE that its a True statement Tim? Could some have been overlooked?
 
PORKER said:
The U.S. has three cases of BSE out of a cattle inventory exceeding 100 million head.
ARE YOU SURE that its a True statement Tim? Could some have been overlooked?

I'm pretty sure that the US has had only 3 confirmed cases of BSE,Porker. :roll:
Whether or not "some could have been overlooked" would require the use of speculation,fear mongering and innuendo.
I'll leave those tactics to people that are trying to sell something other than beef. :D

Do you have any concrete evidence that BSE positives have been "overlooked"? If so, how many? Give us a number............
 
Do you have any concrete evidence that BSE cases have been "overlooked"? Honest speculation
If so, how many? Give us a number............Try counting all of the animals tested with outdated tests since testing for BSE started.Even Canada>>>>....What test did the use first?????
 
PORKER said:
Do you have any concrete evidence that BSE cases have been "overlooked"? Honest speculation
If so, how many? Give us a number............Try counting all of the animals tested with outdated tests since testing for BSE started.Even Canada>>>>....What test did the use first?????

And out of all of the animals tested with "outdated tests", exactly how many would have definitely tested positive using a different test?????
Give as a number............or some more "honest speculation". :D :D
 
Sounds like Porker has a vested financial interest in selling a BSE test doesn't it?


~SH~
 

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