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Johanns comparing human risk of BSE SRMs to selling cars

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REPORTER: Mr. Secretary, there wasn't as much talk from this hearing and past hearings, about sanctions against Japan on the beef issue, but having said that what do you feel would be the threshold in terms of patience from Congress as this latest process continues to reopen the market?

SECRETARY JOHANNS: Well, I think Congress is watching and hoping that we get this resolved quickly. What is the threshold? What would be the magic day? Your guess is probably as good as mine, but here's what I hear as I come up here, and I've been on the Hill a lot since January because of budget hearings and trade hearings and this, that and the next thing.

Here's what I hear. I don't hear anybody arguing with the fact that our agreement with Japan specified certain requirements. This shipment did not meet that requirement. No one's debating that. I mean no one's debating that. No one is debating the fact that what was shipped to Japan was unsafe. That was not the issue. It just didn't meet the requirements. But that could have been shipped anywhere in the United States. That could be shipped anywhere in the world really for that matter. So it wasn't a food safety issue at all. I'm not getting any debate on that.

What I do get asked a lot is, how do they close a border over one shipment? Mike, tell me, does that mean should we go out and inspect every single Japanese car and when we find a defect, close the border to all cars? That's what I'm getting asked up here. That demonstrates to me a level of frustration because how do you work through these kinds of issues? We don't have a food safety issue.



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Japan and there TSE experts are not the fools that Johanns makes them out to be and they will not follow this 'junk science' of johanns et al. i dont think he will ever realize that, and it is at the expense of each and every one of you cattle ranchers. as long as he is pushing this BSE/TSE junk science, you will continue to loose money. ...TSS
 
Junk science Terry? Are you saying that the USDA and it's acceptence of the feed transmission\species leaping theory are following Junk Science?

Johanns is simply following the path of every other businessman in America, and the world, before him by making BSE into an economic rather than a scientific issue.

All BSE/ TSE science is junk science. The only true science in an economic debacle such as this is testing the animals to stop the speculation.

I don't believe your junk science either Terry, but I support testing to stop this mess.
 
rkaiser wrote;

> I don't believe your junk science either Terry, but I support testing to stop this mess.


fair enough there valentine ;-) but the testing protocols have to be correct and we must test all species for human and animal consumption.


when you take x (x=tainted feed), and feed it to y (y=cow/sheep/deer/elk/primate/feline/etc), and come up with infected species (will call z), in a closed environment and or in the field, what does this mean ?


by the way there valentine, what do you believe in? please explain your exact position on cause of human and animal TSE. no help from kathy;-) your own opinion and in your own words, if you can.

kind regards,
terry
 
My own words hey Broke Back valentine?

How bout these ones.

Prions have a purpose. They are not some kind of Hollywood movie prop that has come to earth from Mars to destroy cows and mankind. If your story is true Terry, and misfolded prions are ONLY transfered, the Martians must have dropped them off hey?


The purpose of the particular Prion that I will discuss is one of regulation or stabilization of copper. This seems to be the purpose of the Prion in question involving BSE and possibly Scrapie and CWD. There seem to be variations in Prions and their purpose that match the number of metal balances that occur in all animals. Thus the number, and in fact growing number, of neurological disorders that remain partailly undefined.

This Prion (back to the copper "antioxidant" prion) which is expressed on the surface of a cell is meant to attract copper and then fold in a natural way. If copper is lacking, and a rouge metal is present, the process is disrupted and the Prion becomes "misfolded". The process from here on has a number of routes to follow, and if the correct route is followed, these misfolded prions will cause holes in the brain of the unfortunate metal poisoned individual.

Tried to keep it simple for you Terry, as you have shown all of us on this site that your mind can only handle the simple. Don't challenge yourself Terry, spend another 8, or is it 9, years now showing us your BS story.

Or simply accept that I am on your side on the testing issue; am not your Valentine; and will never be convinced of your fear mongeuring BS.
 
hey there brokeback,

ill tell you valentine, i just dont see how this can be. but ill keep an open mind for sure.

tell me though, how do you explain the dramatic drop in BSE cases in countries that followed
the BSE feed guidelines?


rkaiser wrote;


> The process from here on has a number of routes to follow, and if the correct route is followed, these

> misfolded prions will cause holes in the brain of the unfortunate metal poisoned individual.


SO, are you now saying that friendly fire cases i.e. iCJD are transmissible from these copper/medal poisonings?


please show me transmission studies to prove this of medals/copper to humans, where are they at?



rkaiser wrote;


> Don't challenge yourself Terry, spend another 8, or is it 9, years now showing us your BS story.


why? this is a win win situation. by doing this and p!ssing off folks like yourself, i think i push the ones that need to be pushed into proving me wrong, so if i am right, im right, if i am wrong, i will gladly accept that and be glad that we found the cause much sooner. but, can you explain the laboratory transmission studies?
no medals there, my simple mind does not understand that. maybe your expertise can explain this myth,
maybe not :lol:



rkaiser wrote;


> Or simply accept that I am on your side on the testing issue;


i agree and do accept that...


rkaiser wrote;

> am not your Valentine;


you will always be my valentine :wink:


rkaiser wrote;

> and will never be convinced of your fear mongeuring BS.


no fear mongering, just common sense for human and animal health, using sound science. ...



TSS
 
You know turd tamper, you have spoke of having a wife but some of your kind talk of the more limp wristed partner that way I hear. Find another Valentine, I can take a lot of names, but I am a red neck after all, and this faggy shirt is honestly getting to me.

Your drop in numbers of cases is an easy one Terry. Stop feeding the contaminated material, you stop the exposure. I am saying that the metals in the feed were the problem and not the "transmissible yet indestructible misfolded" prion :roll: .

As far as your iCJD cases - I will admit that I have not spent any time concerning myself with them. BSE is the situation that affects my life. Which prions are involved and which metal attraction speaks to the complexity of differences between TSE's or any neurological disorders for that matter.

Sorry if I don't follow the mounds of scientific studies that you do Terry. Pretty easy to follow the ones that allow your mind to be comfortable isn't it. You go right ahead and prove through your "sound science" how metal contamination is not the problem Terry. That will take a lot more than the 8 or nine years that you have already wasted.

As far as pissing me off Terry. You don't piss me off. Your BS is accepted by most, and that simply frustrates me. If you had a lick of common sense you would see the simplicity in the metal theory, but your 8 years has ingrained your pea brain and I am the one who pisses you off. No one wants to waste time Terry, and you have wasted lots of it. I am sorry for that, but don't blame me.

You want human and animal health Terry? Look at what we are putting into these human and animal bodies that you claim to be out to preserve. Show us a study that includes the metal balance in the brains of BSE cattle, CJD victims, alzheimer's patient, MBM distributed through the UK or even the soils and plants in the environment where the BSE cows lived.
 
old rkaiser, dont let your neck get to red, indeed, i been married 27 years this friday and have lost count of grandkids. nothing brokeback down here, just funnin with ya :wink:


now that you have this mad cow BSe figured out, maybe you can figure out why these friggen margins keep running on us and i would be real happy.


terry
 
Well now, happy anniversary you old fart.

No response to my challenge Terry.

Why is it that humans never want to talk about and even have a hard time to believe in friendly fire. No way GW could have destroyed the twin towers to beat the drum for war. Now way that his white christian supremacy policy is going to hurt the world that we live in. AND there is no way that some of the most horrendous human and animal disorders could be caused by the greed and scorch the earth policy of mankind. :P

I believe that we have brought this TSE problem on ourselves just as I believe GW and his puppet masters main goal is to control the economy of the world.

We need to think our way out of this BSE thing - we need to find ways ourselves to fight the battle which is only about money. We need to promote testing, but not for health issues. The longer we focus on health issues the longer the multinationals milk the cow. They are loving you Terry. You and the folks who keep promoting the feed transmission and species jumping theory are simply prolonging the BS officially known as BSEconomics. Change their course Terry. Focus on testing if you like, but look at what I proposed in my last post. Why is it that one bloody British Farmer is the only man on earth to investigate the metal connection which is so obvious in every cluster in the world? How can you overlook such a common sense and simple explanation?

Glad to hear that you are not limp Terry. I honestly believe that that stuff is a human problem brought on by humans as well. Nothing natural there - only human minds with human problems.
 

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