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Just the FACTS! Response from SD BIC

mrj

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Also from the Green Sheet: by Roger Gerdes, president of SD BIC

An article in the April 6 edition of The Green Sheet Farm Forum lambastes the SD BIC for not supporting a "joint Letter of Opposition to the USDA's OTM Rule" during the quarterly meeting on March 8. Unfortunately, that column told only one part of the story. I would like to present all of the facts.

FACT: The letter of opposition was circulated for signing to cattlemen organizations and sale barns. The letter's intent: to lobby the U.S. Senate Agricultural Committee to prevent USDA from allowing cattle over 30 months to be imported from Canada to the U.S. during an investigation of enforcement of Canada's ruminant feed ban.

FACT: Some producer members of SDBIC were, individually, supportive of the letter's goals, and a motion to support it as a State Beef Council board was made and seconded. However, a vote was not allowed. The reasons are explained in the remaining facts.

FACT: The SDBIC is strictly forbidden by law from signing such a letter. It is specifically prohibited by the Beef Promotion and Research Act & Order from engaging in any checkoff funded efforts as a board (quoting from the law here) "in any manner for the purpose of influencing government action or policy". It simply is not a matter of whether individual producer members of the Council support the measure or not--a vote on this particular issue would have been illegal. Suggesting that the Council is somehow denying member participation by following the letter of the law as a Council is irresponsible.

FACT: SDBIC members have a fiduciary responsibility that prevents them from knowingy authorizing any unlawful action on the part of that body, even if there is minimal or no use of funds. Allowing a Council vote on a measure that is clearly illegal, then, would be irresponsible in the eyes of the law.

FACT: Eight different South Dakota beef industry organizations who send Board members to the South Dakota Beef Industry Council are free to decide as separate organizations to sign on to the letter or not--but it is against the law for the Council to do so. If an individual member wants to pursue this policy issue, they are encouraged to do so through their separate organization.

When the facts are laid out, we believe they speak for themselves. The South Dakota Beef Industry Council members should be commended, not critiized, for following the law, In addition, Vaugh Meyers' article should have been printed as a "Letter to the Editor" or "Guest Opinion" rather than displayed as a regular news article from an unbiased reporter.

The Beef Checkoff program has funded thousands of promotional and educational programs, research projects, and new product development over its 20 year history. These programs are specifically designed to create postive market movement across the U.S. and right here in SD. The SDBIC board, made up of volunteers who work hard to make a positive difference in beef demand, has always been careful to make certain these programs are within our guidelines as laid out in the Act & Order--the law that we are bound to follow as an organization. We believe the state's producers can expect no less of us. You can rest assured your checkoff dollars are being used wisely and legally.

MRJ
 
Sounds like the checkoff needs changing...USDA's actions and comment period should not be considered as lobbying- since they say that their decision is being made on "whatever kind of" science....I would think it would/should be a primary duty of the Checkoff to promote issues and lay out facts that support the US cattle and beef industry and oppose those that detract from/endanger it...

Promoting the Quality of our US Beef should be the number one reason for the checkoff- and anything that could detract from that promotion (like the intermingling of Beef from a country perceived nationwide to be a harborer of BSE like Canada is) should be opposed....
 
International trade is a fact of life. To deny that is really sticking your head in the sand, OT, but not anything new for you, either.

Support animal ID, beyond branding, if you honestly want valid differentiation of beef of/for ALL end consumer purchases. That gives consumers a choice between areas of the USA (you do tout northern produced beef, don't you?) and an opportunity to note and avoid 'poor quality' beef.........but no, you think all of that is imported, don't you??

Why not go after something useful and productive? According to your website, you produce horses. What have you done/are you doing to turn around this extremist motivated horse slaughter prevention bill? The supporters of those laws come right out and say people should not be producing more colts than the owners can provide care and food for for the entire natural lives of all horses produced.

MRJ
 
In other words, MRJ you only abdicate using the cattlemens tax (the checkoff) to promote the political followings of the USDA/NCBA as they have been told to by the Multinational Packing Industry... :???: :(

I heard there was one FACT that Mr. Gerdes forgot in his letter- that of all the participants in the meeting, there was only 1 person that was in favor of the USDA's proposed border opening.....
 
OT, your unusual usage of a word or two makes your points difficult to follow.

Are you asking if I abdicate (give up, or renounce) using the checkoff ....or if I advocate (speak in favor of) using it for "promoting political followings of USDA/NCBA....." ?

First, there is no such thing as "the political followings of USDA/NCBA".

Quite often the ideas diverge, though, of course, you would never admit that fact.

FACT: I favor using the Beef Checkoff exactly as the law REQUIRES it be used.

The Beef Checkoff may not and is not used to promote any political issue, period!

Are you very sure that "only 1 person was in favor of the USDA proposed border opening? Was there a vote asking that specific question? Was there a show of hands FOR EACH SIDE OF THE QUESTION? Is it possible that some people simply did not vote, or more likely, voice an opinion?

That point is irrelevant in any case. The law is the law. No way around it.

The individuals had many opportunities to get their names on letters supporting their position, if they so chose. I wonder how many actually did so? Some people are pretty quick to act in a group, or in a mob, but mighty few are willing to stand up and be identified as supporting a position they believe in, especially when many others around them are opposed.

MRJ
 
Thanks for correcting my English- I meant advocate....
As normal Maxine- you have a 100 ways of spinning something for your cult....
My understanding was when the question was presented - If anyone actually backed the USDA's border opening proposal- only one person raised their hand.... To me that shows there is little confidence in the USDA's proposed program....

And I still don't think a comment period regarding a safety/health/consumer perception and marketing issue where the Government says it is asking for comments regarding their proposal to make a science based decision is political- or should be considered lobbying-- and should be allowable under the checkoff in their efforts to maintain a higher quality Beef product....

Maxine do you support USDA's Border Plan as they proposed it?
 
MJ...FACT: The SDBIC is strictly forbidden by law from signing such a letter. It is specifically prohibited by the Beef Promotion and Research Act & Order from engaging in any checkoff funded efforts as a board (quoting from the law here) "in any manner for the purpose of influencing government action or policy".

Do you mean to tell me it would have cost checkoff dollars to sign a letter of support?
 
OT, it was genuinely difficult to figure out which way you were going, so was trying to find out what you meant rather than "correcting" your English.

Why would you think it is "spinning" to tell you that I am a law abiding citizen who believes the law creating the Beef Checkoff should be followed to the letter?

Do you, or do you not, consider international trade "political"?

Several people posting believe that NAFTA should not have been entered into by the USA. Importing cattle or beef from Canada is "political".

Political positions on issues are best left to the DUES PAYER organizations, NOT the Beef Checkoff, IMO.

Surely, you would scream like a banshee if anyone proposed using Beef Checkoff money to facilitate opening the Canadian border to bring more cattle into the USA, whether there was a BSE issue or not, wouldn't you?

My guess is that you would be right that there might have been only one person raise their hand, IF that question was actually asked and no one interrupted the question. There are some bullies on that board who have had experience shouting down those who oppose them.

The real tragedy is that there apparently were people serving on that board who are not familiar with the law under which they serve!

BTW, OT, should USDA require that all comments be "science based" ONLY, since you claim they are not making a political decision, but a science based decision, as the basis for your argument that SDBIC erred in not allowing the discussion and signing onto the letter in question?

Re. my own support or non-support of the proposed border plan: I'm still uncertain, given the problems with feed bans and all the 'un-knowns' about TSE's/BSE on BOTH sides of the border. I believe we have got to find the facts about BSE before we can really get on with normalizing trade in beef and cattle. I'm not totally convinced it is feed driven, nor that it is a threat to humans. At this point in time, I really wonder if BSE, CJD, vCJD, and all TSE's are really sporadic, naturally occuring 'accidents of nature'. Add Alzheimers and other such illnesses to that list, if you choose.

MRJ
 
Maxine
Do you, or do you not, consider international trade "political"?

Several people posting believe that NAFTA should not have been entered into by the USA. Importing cattle or beef from Canada is "political".

Political positions on issues are best left to the DUES PAYER organizations, NOT the Beef Checkoff, IMO.

USDA has said the border issue and the decision to close/open the border is one being done on Facts and Science-- Now you say it is "political"...Are you saying the USDA has been lying to us all along... :???:

If a State Checkoff group has facts as to how the border opening will effect their states cattle herd health/and the viability of their states cattle industry (which is where the checkoff money comes from) I think they would be derelict in their duty if they did not comment and relay to the USDA those facts......

Maxine
Re. my own support or non-support of the proposed border plan: I'm still uncertain, given the problems with feed bans and all the 'un-knowns' about TSE's/BSE on BOTH sides of the border. I believe we have got to find the facts about BSE before we can really get on with normalizing trade in beef and cattle. I'm not totally convinced it is feed driven, nor that it is a threat to humans. At this point in time, I really wonder if BSE, CJD, vCJD, and all TSE's are really sporadic, naturally occuring 'accidents of nature'. Add Alzheimers and other such illnesses to that list, if you choose.

MRJ

I'm truly schocked that I actually got a Maxine point of view and not a canned NCBA policy comment :clap: --but as usual you plead ignorance of the subject :roll: ...Which in this case tho I think is a good argument, since not enough is yet known at this time about BSE to be endangering our countries cattle herd, cattlemen, and cattle industry to make the proposed rule change USDA wants to make......
 
OT, if you would look beyond your personal agenda against NCBA, maybe you also could be man enough to admit that when MY point of view HAPPENS to coincide with policy of NCBA, it is not only possible, but highly likely that I held the viewooint BEFORE it became the policy of NCBA!

Your accusing me of pleading ignorant about BSE has me wondering, what is your source of a verifiable, proven connection between MBM consumption and BSE in cattle and vCJD in humans? Not having that information is the basis for my incertainty over the USDA proposal.

MRJ
 
MRJ said:
OT, if you would look beyond your personal agenda against NCBA, maybe you also could be man enough to admit that when MY point of view HAPPENS to coincide with policy of NCBA, it is not only possible, but highly likely that I held the viewooint BEFORE it became the policy of NCBA!

But from what I understand NCBA did take a stand against the Rule 2 opening as written- asking for guarantees on our markets opening and more assurances of USDA IDing and tracking the Canadian imports....

Your accusing me of pleading ignorant about BSE has me wondering, what is your source of a verifiable, proven connection between MBM consumption and BSE in cattle and vCJD in humans? Not having that information is the basis for my incertainty over the USDA proposal.

MRJ

I don't think anything is a proven fact with BSE- all theory, but as RobertMac pointed out in another thread- both NCBA & USDA have recognized the most accepted theory that the disease is transmitted thru MBM consumption...I believe that to be the most prevalent means of transmittal-
But then you have to also add in some of the newer info and theories that show there are differing strains of BSE/TSE's and that some of them may be transmitted by other means- even possible direct contact of body fluids between animals.

So I pretty much agree with you- these unknowns and uncertainties make weakening any of our safeguards too risky at this time....
 
Oldtimer said:
MRJ said:
OT, if you would look beyond your personal agenda against NCBA, maybe you also could be man enough to admit that when MY point of view HAPPENS to coincide with policy of NCBA, it is not only possible, but highly likely that I held the viewooint BEFORE it became the policy of NCBA!

But from what I understand NCBA did take a stand against the Rule 2 opening as written- asking for guarantees on our markets opening and more assurances of USDA IDing and tracking the Canadian imports....

Your accusing me of pleading ignorant about BSE has me wondering, what is your source of a verifiable, proven connection between MBM consumption and BSE in cattle and vCJD in humans? Not having that information is the basis for my incertainty over the USDA proposal.

MRJ

I don't think anything is a proven fact with BSE- all theory, but as RobertMac pointed out in another thread- both NCBA & USDA have recognized the most accepted theory that the disease is transmitted thru MBM consumption...I believe that to be the most prevalent means of transmittal-
But then you have to also add in some of the newer info and theories that show there are differing strains of BSE/TSE's and that some of them may be transmitted by other means- even possible direct contact of body fluids between animals.

So I pretty much agree with you- these unknowns and uncertainties make weakening any of our safeguards too risky at this time....

OT, re. your point contrary to the accusations of some on this site, I don't look to NCBA to form my opinions. I may work to make NCBA policy according to my wishes, but won't worry if the policy diverges from what I believe on a few issues. Cattle production is not a one-size-fits-all proposition, so it isn't the end of the world when I disagree with the majority vote occasionally. I don't judge an organization on a single issue if the overall direction is on the right track. I firmly believe that NCBA is on the right track and serves the cattle industry very well.

MRJ
 
Which surprises me not at all, and pleases me quite well, to boot! I don't much care for stampedes, mob scenes, and politics of personal attack, which history and observation shows to be the R-CALF mode of operation.

MRJ
 
MRJ said:
Which surprises me not at all, and pleases me quite well, to boot! I don't much care for stampedes, mob scenes, and politics of personal attack, which history and observation shows to be the R-CALF mode of operation.

MRJ

The king of the personal attack was your boy, SH. Is he a R-CALF member?
 
MRJ

The Fact was,that within that time frame there was a "comment period." I still don`t believe that there was any form of lobbying involved in this, and it was for the protection of the producers. This was due to the reckless actions of the USDA.

On a lighter note,what are you referring to as bullying by some members of the SDBIC??[/quote]
 
MRJ said:
Which surprises me not at all, and pleases me quite well, to boot! I don't much care for stampedes, mob scenes, and politics of personal attack, which history and observation shows to be the R-CALF mode of operation.

MRJ

MRJ,

It is funny how you decry the politics of personal attack, yet called the OIG report that was critical of GIPSA a politically motivated attack on the system. Here is a hint for you: The OIG can not write up things that it can not substantiate. There has to be something there.

It has been me who has called you on your packer supporting agenda. I am not a member of rcalf. I am just calling it like I see it and supporting the allegations with your positions you have posted on this site. I don't know you, haven't met you, and all I know is what you post, nothing more, nothing less. If you are feeling the heat, you should stop roasting yourself.
 
MRJ

Although I am a bully I still consider myself to be quite open minded so why don't you recite the sections and sub numbers of the Beef Act and Order which make the motion illegal. Since I am unfamiliar with the laws and you are quite versed I am sure you must have studied the SDBIC policy manual. ( page 7, RESPONSIBILITY TO THE ORGANIZATION) Allow me to refresh your memory for the sake of those who didn't receive one: Any organization seating persons on the board in effect embraces the philosophy and purpose of the Council, but such a pledge does not preclude the right or responsibility of any director to be active in seeking proper change or new direction or to offer provocative ideas. Neither should a director be reluctant to challenge any policy nor program which he or she believes may not serve the best interests of the organization or the industry in general. Such challenge represents the finest of democratic principles and directors sit in a challenging seat of judgement. Each is asked to be a represenative of their organization. sodak
 

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