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keep or cull

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Keep or cull?

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OK, since everyone likes to pick apart bull/heifers/steers, here is an exercise for today. This bull is a New Design 9150 X Sherman Tank daughter so he is 1/2 Angus, 1/2 Gelbvieh, non registered so no EPDs, but should have calving ease and marbling from sire, growth potential from mother and great disposition. Moderate frame, grown out slow not for high performance. I have not weighed him. He is smooth polled, could be homozygous black. Keep or cull? I also have an order for virgin bull beef.

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He is pinched in the heart and needs more muscle in the lower quarter.
I voted to cull him.
 
sw,

Has this fella had any grain? I am getting very sick of seeing this yearling bulls that people have for sale that have been on hardcore barley then after you get them home and use them for a bit they turn into a wreck. I like to develop our bulls on real good grass hay. They develop a bit slower but turn out to have a good long life ahead of them. Some people are just to quick to jump on a young bull if he isnt as fat as a pear.
 
Hate to tell you this Manitoba but I will not feed the bulls anything to speak of, at the most they get 5 pounds of cake with all of the hay they want. I grew up with the show string, that is why I could care less about weaning weights, yearling weights, and those manipulated numbers. I kept this bull for his pedigree, thought he was a cull, got a call for some "virgin bull beef" so we started feeding him and I looked at him yesterday and thought maybe I was being too harsh so I thought that I would let the know it alls from Ranchers decide his fate. In reality, all of the higher ups on this site could prove me wrong so I thought it would be fun to see what others thought, he is thicker than depicted, he is more correct than it looks, and in the end I could care less what anyone on here thinks, I was having fun, waiting to see. I am in the cattle business to make money on meat, not looks and perception. Stupid me :oops:
 
Lets see some pictures of anything you have raised, get a clue jackass
 
I would cull this bull for 2 reasons. First and this is just my point of veiw but I don't keep or use crossbreds for bulls. Crossbred cows bred to straight-bred bulls. The second reason is from the pictures he looks to common. This meaning he would look good in the feedlot just not breeding cows.
 
sw,

I think maybe I didnt explain myself correctly. I think your doing things right by not pushing animals hard to develop them. There is nothing wrong with the look of that bull. And I think your right I think that work hard study hard character should post a picture of something he raised.
 
here are some factors I would consider
1) birth weight (not marketable if too high)
2)breeding (if you dont have balancer status he may be harder to move)
3)market (do you have customers that demand that type of bull)
4)when you sell an unpapered bull do you have an equal replacement if he fails
 
sw you should of fed the snot out of him and reposted-he'd of been the greatest thing since sliced bread then. I bet he'll slick up and gain weight breeding cows. Isn't Sherman Tank a black Gelbvieh bull that select sires used to market.
 
I don't care for him either.

I asked Larry Leonhardt how he evaluated
bulls and he said 'balance.' That's all he looks for is balance.

I don't think this bull is very well balanced.
And I don't like the close stance of his hind legs.
They are like that in every picture.

Sorry, sw, but you asked.

I'm with you on using pedigee and not EPD's however.
The one thing we don't know is some bulls reproduce better
than they are...and it takes so darn long to find out if they do
or don't. Usually the bull is long gone before we really know.
 
sw said:
Hate to tell you this Manitoba but I will not feed the bulls anything to speak of, at the most they get 5 pounds of cake with all of the hay they want. I grew up with the show string, that is why I could care less about weaning weights, yearling weights, and those manipulated numbers. I kept this bull for his pedigree, thought he was a cull, got a call for some "virgin bull beef" so we started feeding him and I looked at him yesterday and thought maybe I was being too harsh so I thought that I would let the know it alls from Ranchers decide his fate. In reality, all of the higher ups on this site could prove me wrong so I thought it would be fun to see what others thought, he is thicker than depicted, he is more correct than it looks, and in the end I could care less what anyone on here thinks, I was having fun, waiting to see. I am in the cattle business to make money on meat, not looks and perception. Stupid me :oops:
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Well I for one voted to keep him you can always steer them.
Also there are alot of big time ANGUS breeders that are offering 100's of bulls because there is demand for them they are grain fattening some scrubs where feeds the breed.I would much rather buy a bull from someone who does'nt grain farm for a living and cattle ranch for prestige.

I kept a bull like that one 10 years ago he got injured eary in his 1st breeding season and I only ended uo with 2 heifers from him they are coming 9 years old now and are the 2 cows all the rest are measured agaisnt.

One thing about this site Lots of arrogant experts.here we call them pricks.
 

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