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Kit Pharo in Wisconsin

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Shorthornguy

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Went to a grazing conference yesterday and Kit was the featured speaker. Had a chance to say howdy and asked him if he ever logged onto Ranchers.net . He said he went on there every once in awhile just to see what folks were saying about him. :lol: As a public speaker he could use some improvement. There were quite a few Dairy Graziers there and he did make a comment that he didn't think Holstein made very good beef. :lol: Main course of the lunch was Holstein roast beef. I bet if he knew that he woulda had the chicken.
He does have some good ideas. What works for Kit won't work for everybody. Such as it's pretty hard to Winter graze when you have 30 inches of snow and six foot drifts. Culling as harshly as he does will only work if you have enough replacement hiefers. Glad I had the chance to meet him. Don't believe I'd buy one of his bulls though. :lol:
 
Kit visited our neck of the woods a couple of weeks back. Forestburg Alberta. Lots of good thoughts and worth the time to listen.

I was a bit concerned with the 1250 pound steers he talked of coming off of frame 3 to 4 cows and bulls intil I realised that he likely added at least a frame score to these feeder cattle with the use of Hormonal Growth Promotants.

We have been putting a nice AAA and even choice finish on some frame 4 cattle up here that weigh 1150 or less at slaughter. No HGP's and 65% max barley ration.

I agree with Shorthorn and Shortgrass that feed and breeding challenges like Kit speaks of need to be based on environment. -40 degrees and a wind can add to a maintenance diet in a heck of a hurry.
 
rkaiser said:
Kit visited our neck of the woods a couple of weeks back. Forestburg Alberta. Lots of good thoughts and worth the time to listen.

I was a bit concerned with the 1250 pound steers he talked of coming off of frame 3 to 4 cows and bulls intil I realised that he likely added at least a frame score to these feeder cattle with the use of Hormonal Growth Promotants.

We have been putting a nice AAA and even choice finish on some frame 4 cattle up here that weigh 1150 or less at slaughter. No HGP's and 65% max barley ration.

I agree with Shorthorn and Shortgrass that feed and breeding challenges like Kit speaks of need to be based on environment. -40 degrees and a wind can add to a maintenance diet in a heck of a hurry.
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Kit was in Forestburg :???: Where did this take place?DAMN :?
 
I have some family who think the sun rises and sets only if Kit says it should.... I think his program works for him, but not for me. One way to make marginal cattle sell better is to beat the bushes and call from the hills about how damned good they are.....

rather buy my bulls from a guy who sits back and enjoys his business, rather than push his business on anyone who will listen.
 
jigs said:
I have some family who think the sun rises and sets only if Kit says it should.... I think his program works for him, but not for me. One way to make marginal cattle sell better is to beat the bushes and call from the hills about how damned good they are.....

rather buy my bulls from a guy who sits back and enjoys his business, rather than push his business on anyone who will listen.
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That is one of the best statements about Kit I have ever heard..

have a cold one

lazy ace
 
Call me a nut and I'm sure you will, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with Holstein beef, We get our beef from a dairy customer of mine that feeds out his steer calves to about 1500 lbs. It is very well marbled and you can cut it with a fork. I know people from these parts that say Jersey beef is even better. There are as many hard working dairy farmers as there are ranchers that have as much or more invested in there operations as the beef producers. They don't belittle your product and are trying to make a buck just like everybody else is. They feel the pinch of high grain prices and other inputs just as all cattle feeders do .
Thank you for letting me put in my two cents.
 
well, I think holstien must taste pretty beefy, because all you gotta do is just breed the white out, and you have an angus!
 
jigs said:
I think his program works for him, but not for me. One way to make marginal cattle sell better is to beat the bushes and call from the hills about how damned good they are.....

rather buy my bulls from a guy who sits back and enjoys his business, rather than push his business on anyone who will listen.
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:agree:

I have seen the bulls and some of the calves produced and I have yet to be impressed.
 
Holstiens steers if fed correctly can be very good beef from what i have been told. Holstien cows on the other hand, I don't think there is anything you can really do to make them into good beef after they have been culled from the dairy.
 
RobertMac said:
Why do you folks feel threatened by Kit? :roll: :roll: :wink: :lol: :lol:
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It's not threatened it's seeing a product and not buying into the story tellers fable.
 
I was curious about this guy since I haven't heard of him and I can tell you I don't like him or how he does business...Reason being is, I visited his website and the first thing that cought my eye was a flashing banner that said-

"Buy your bulls from someone who raises cattle the way you ought to"

The phrase "the way you OUGHT to" rubs me the wrong way. Seems to me that that statement is a little cocky, and potential customers don't like buying from the cocky guy...

just my .02$
 
I read through his website and I do believe that some of his theories are good....IF...you can make them work, which most people can't. If he would just go about trying educate and not PUSH his ideas or make you feel like your wrong I think he would do better.
 
He at the very least makes you look at your operation in a different context.I do believe he is right on the profit vs.production scale.

I think environment has more to do with frame size than genetic's same reason deer get bigger the farther north you go.
 
I cannot for the life of me figure out the "it work's for him but it won't work for me" theory.

Maximum profit vs. maximum production should be priority #1 for everyone. How you do it is totally up to you!

"What works" for someone in Eastern Colorado is absolutely not going to work for someone outside of Birmingham, Alabama. Kit knows that.

Take a look at the man's concepts. I have a hard time finding faults with his concepts.

Maximum profit. Efficient cattle. Strict culling. Low inputs.

Those are all stellar concepts.

How you go about them is up to you.
 
movin' on said:
I cannot for the life of me figure out the "it work's for him but it won't work for me" theory.

Maximum profit vs. maximum production should be priority #1 for everyone. How you do it is totally up to you!

"What works" for someone in Eastern Colorado is absolutely not going to work for someone outside of Birmingham, Alabama. Kit knows that.

Take a look at the man's concepts. I have a hard time finding faults with his concepts.

Maximum profit. Efficient cattle. Strict culling. Low inputs.

Those are all stellar concepts.

How you go about them is up to you.
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I don't disagree with Kit every ranchers goal should be maximum profits with the least amount of inputs. I would be curious to see how many ranchers on here are trying to spend extra money on raising cattle? Kit does have some stellar concepts but wouldn't that be considered common sense?

Some years we have been able to graze year around (except for calving time) Some years we have gotten snow the first part of Nov and have been covered up until April. Long story short if we can graze we will keep grazing, just like every other rancher in this area.

The Canadian's have amazing concepts about winter grazing, or building gadgets that save money in the feeding process. I have a lot of respect for them and the challanges they have overcome and are still facing.

Check this websight out http://www.growsafe.com/ TTB knows a guy that has used this system in his bull test for years and was the first to try it on developing bulls. This is the link to their bull test/sale http://www.wvbeef.org/wbt/wbt.html Technology is amazing and I truly believe systems like these will benifit cattlemen and help the feeding process.

Like I said before I am not disagreeing with Kit and his philosophy but I also think there is more than one way to skin a cat on saving money.

have a cold one

lazy ace
 
Lazy Ace,

That's what I'm saying.....those concepts are, for the most part, common sense.

I don't see how anybody can say "common sense may work for him, but it won't work for me"!!!!

As you mentioned, the means at which one arrives at the goal changes from area to area and from year to year, but the concepts remain the same.
 

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