Korea Beef

[Sandhusker]

mwj - that's a good one! There should be an Flap EPD (effective poop deterent) for any cattle that you have to stand behind. (eye glasses don't count) :!:

Thanks Mike, I'd already looked that up - but I'm still wondering if you guys know the cuts the US usually exported to South Korea.

Especially if they're on turnips!

 

[Tam]

The Aussies are probably sitting there chuckling as they count their scheckels- knowing they have a huge benefactor in the bullheaded idiots at the USDA... Yep- this shoud strengthen Creekstones court argument- to show that their is no way a US beef company can meet the USDA negotiated requirements...I wonder if they knew what probably would happen-- the reason they were the first to send a shipment to Korea-- get something on the record for court--because its well known that there is absolutely no way you can fulfill a zero tolerance on bone criteria.....
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Oldtimer would it go over very well in a US court of law if someone intentionally broke the law/rules to make a point? If Creekstone can't be trusted to follow the export rules can they be trusted to run a test that would make or break their export deals?

 

[Anonymous]

The Aussies are probably sitting there chuckling as they count their scheckels- knowing they have a huge benefactor in the bullheaded idiots at the USDA... Yep- this shoud strengthen Creekstones court argument- to show that their is no way a US beef company can meet the USDA negotiated requirements...I wonder if they knew what probably would happen-- the reason they were the first to send a shipment to Korea-- get something on the record for court--because its well known that there is absolutely no way you can fulfill a zero tolerance on bone criteria.....
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Oldtimer would it go over very well in a US court of law if someone intentionally broke the law/rules to make a point? If Creekstone can't be trusted to follow the export rules can they be trusted to run a test that would make or break their export deals?

The problem is Tam- that USDA has previously said when dealing with Mexico that zero tolerance on bones is absolutely impossible to meet- and all the Packers have said that- and Korea knows that-- but then the USDA goes ahead and signs an agreement with Korea under those terms anyway :???: Creekstone may be just proving that point- that the agreement is absolutely unmeetable/worthless and that we still have no export agreement....

 

[don]

i said months ago that the japanese were doing a masterful job of negotiating and the s. koreans have essentially the same agreement which allows them to close the border or restrict product flow and the americans agreed to the terms. the big packers really don't give a rip because they have the big market tied up and under control so if creekstone screws up and closes the border who cares? this is pretty predictable and the cattle industry will just keep bleeding equity into the waiting hands of the packers.

 

[Econ101]

i said months ago that the japanese were doing a masterful job of negotiating and the s. koreans have essentially the same agreement which allows them to close the border or restrict product flow and the americans agreed to the terms. the big packers really don't give a rip because they have the big market tied up and under control so if creekstone screws up and closes the border who cares? this is pretty predictable and the cattle industry will just keep bleeding equity into the waiting hands of the packers.

You are totally right about that, don. As long as they can keep Creekstone and other comparable Canadian companies out of the international market, they get to keep their comparative advantage and run them out of business.

Japan likes the current deal because of their powerful farm lobby and the Wagyu producers get to keep their monopoly on meat in Japan for that class of meat. UTMs fit the bill.

We need a competition title in the next Farm Bill and so does Canada.

We have to recognize the economic tools the packers are using to gain market share and run the competition out of the market.

 

[rkaiser]

You got it Econo - the vocal Japanese and Korean farmers are being used just like Rcalf is being used to deflect attention from the real game.

 

[Tam]

The Aussies are probably sitting there chuckling as they count their scheckels- knowing they have a huge benefactor in the bullheaded idiots at the USDA... Yep- this shoud strengthen Creekstones court argument- to show that their is no way a US beef company can meet the USDA negotiated requirements...I wonder if they knew what probably would happen-- the reason they were the first to send a shipment to Korea-- get something on the record for court--because its well known that there is absolutely no way you can fulfill a zero tolerance on bone criteria.....
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Oldtimer would it go over very well in a US court of law if someone intentionally broke the law/rules to make a point? If Creekstone can't be trusted to follow the export rules can they be trusted to run a test that would make or break their export deals?

The problem is Tam- that USDA has previously said when dealing with Mexico that zero tolerance on bones is absolutely impossible to meet- and all the Packers have said that- and Korea knows that-- but then the USDA goes ahead and signs an agreement with Korea under those terms anyway :???: Creekstone may be just proving that point- that the agreement is absolutely unmeetable/worthless and that we still have no export agreement....

Nice diversion Oldtimer but I asked if it would go over big in a US court if the court knew the plaintiff did something illegal to make a point in hopes of strenghtening his case against the defendent? What did Creekstone do to their credibility , if they willingly broke export rules as you hinted they did to prove a point in their case against the USDA? Would they uphold the testing rules any better if it supported their stand? :?


And as far as the zero tolerance Oldtimer aren't Canadian packers under the same rule to export to say Japan? IF so why is it we don't (knock on wood) hear of any reports of Canadian plants making these all to often isolated mistakes that the US plants seem to be making?

 

[Anonymous]

Oldtimer would it go over very well in a US court of law if someone intentionally broke the law/rules to make a point? If Creekstone can't be trusted to follow the export rules can they be trusted to run a test that would make or break their export deals?

The problem is Tam- that USDA has previously said when dealing with Mexico that zero tolerance on bones is absolutely impossible to meet- and all the Packers have said that- and Korea knows that-- but then the USDA goes ahead and signs an agreement with Korea under those terms anyway :???: Creekstone may be just proving that point- that the agreement is absolutely unmeetable/worthless and that we still have no export agreement....

Nice diversion Oldtimer but I asked if it would go over big in a US court if the court knew the plaintiff did something illegal to make a point in hopes of strenghtening his case against the defendent? What did Creekstone do to their credibility , if they willingly broke export rules as you hinted they did to prove a point in their case against the USDA? Would they uphold the testing rules any better if it supported their stand? :?

Prove they did it on purpose :wink:


And as far as the zero tolerance Oldtimer aren't Canadian packers under the same rule to export to say Japan? IF so why is it we don't (knock on wood) hear of any reports of Canadian plants making these all to often isolated mistakes that the US plants seem to be making?

Canada doesn't have USDA.....Might also be that Canadian plants have employees that can read and speak English and went to school...
What does your trade rule with South Korea call for? OOPS forgot you don't have any trade rule with South Korea :wink:

 

[TimH]

Can you say " NON-TARIFF TRADE BARRIER" boys and girls????



Sound familiar R-Calfer's?????

Karma is just way too funny!!!!

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Don't want BMR to have to answer for my post

 

[Tam]

The problem is Tam- that USDA has previously said when dealing with Mexico that zero tolerance on bones is absolutely impossible to meet- and all the Packers have said that- and Korea knows that-- but then the USDA goes ahead and signs an agreement with Korea under those terms anyway :???: Creekstone may be just proving that point- that the agreement is absolutely unmeetable/worthless and that we still have no export agreement....

Nice diversion Oldtimer but I asked if it would go over big in a US court if the court knew the plaintiff did something illegal to make a point in hopes of strenghtening his case against the defendent? What did Creekstone do to their credibility , if they willingly broke export rules as you hinted they did to prove a point in their case against the USDA? Would they uphold the testing rules any better if it supported their stand? :?

Prove they did it on purpose :wink:


And as far as the zero tolerance Oldtimer aren't Canadian packers under the same rule to export to say Japan? IF so why is it we don't (knock on wood) hear of any reports of Canadian plants making these all to often isolated mistakes that the US plants seem to be making?

Canada doesn't have USDA.....Might also be that Canadian plants have employees that can read and speak English and went to school...
What does your trade rule with South Korea call for? OOPS forgot you don't have any trade rule with South Korea :wink:

Prove what? I was commenting on your statement "...I wonder if they knew what probably would happen-- the reason they were the first to send a shipment to Korea-- get something on the record for court-"
Sounds to me as if you thought Creekstone might have slipped a little something in as to "get something on the record" to strenghten their case against the USDA.

OLDTIMER Are you telling us that the CFIA can do something better than the USDA? :shock:

BTW if our plant workers read and speak english enough to not make the same mistakes the US plant workers are making then why is the health care personel at the Tyson plant in Brooks asking for more funding to hire translators and develop programs tailored to the cultural needs of newcomers." ?

We may not have the South Korea Market open yet, but the question is how long will it remain open to you if your packers are using your exports to get something on the record to use against the USDA? :wink:

 

[r and s]

What if Creekstone didn't put the bone in the shipment.