Lincoln's Arrest Of The Maryland Legislature

[Mike]

Because Maryland refused to side with the Union and neither secede, Lincoln had a huge number of their legislators imprisoned without "due process" in direct contradiction of the U.S. Constitution:

(these are direct copies of documents from the day, not a biased compilation)

http://teaching.msa.maryland.gov/000001/000000/000017/html/t17.html

Historians have often dismissed the role of the Lieber Code in the war effort. While it is true that commanders such as William Tecumseh Sherman rarely, if ever, consulted the Code in making combat decisions, the Code played a significant role nonetheless in the war's last two years. It provided a blueprint for hundreds of war crimes trials (i.e., charging people for violations of the laws and customs of war).

Lieber Code- Art. 16. Military necessity does not admit of cruelty - that is, the infliction of suffering for the sake of suffering or for revenge, nor of maiming or wounding except in fight, nor of torture to extort confessions.

 

[TexasBred]

"The measure of intelligence is the ability to change."
― Albert Einstein

 

[Mike]

"The measure of intelligence is the ability to change."
― Albert Einstein

An overabundance of cliche'.

 

[TexasBred]

"The measure of intelligence is the ability to change."
― Albert Einstein

An overabundance of cliche'.

My most successful employees have always been those that were willing and keen to learn.  They were able to adapt to new situations quickly because they came with no preconceptions.  In their case, as Albert Einstein said, "the measure of intelligence is the ability to change". I think it's missing in you Mike so you keep stumbling down the same rut to nowhere.

 

[Mike]

You can't change the fact that Lincoln had much of the Maryland State Legislature arrested and imprisoned without due process for failing to pass a measure in the State of Maryland concerning Lincolns Federal decision to invade the Confederates.

A better measure of intelligence is the ability to comprehend. Which you don't seem capable of.

 

[TexasBred]

You can't change the fact that Lincoln had much of the Maryland State Legislature arrested and imprisoned without due process for failing to pass a measure in the State of Maryland concerning Lincolns Federal decision to invade the Confederates.

A better measure of intelligence is the ability to comprehend. Which you don't seem capable of.

Only the few confederate sympathizers were arrested and upon hte orders of Sec of State Seward, not Lincoln. Actually the action guaranteed that any measures being considered (to join the confederacy) would not pass. :wink:

 

[Caustic Burno]

Because Maryland refused to side with the Union and neither secede, Lincoln had a huge number of their legislators imprisoned without "due process" in direct contradiction of the U.S. Constitution:

(these are direct copies of documents from the day, not a biased compilation)

http://teaching.msa.maryland.gov/000001/000000/000017/html/t17.html

Historians have often dismissed the role of the Lieber Code in the war effort. While it is true that commanders such as William Tecumseh Sherman rarely, if ever, consulted the Code in making combat decisions, the Code played a significant role nonetheless in the war's last two years. It provided a blueprint for hundreds of war crimes trials (i.e., charging people for violations of the laws and customs of war).

Lieber Code- Art. 16. Military necessity does not admit of cruelty - that is, the infliction of suffering for the sake of suffering or for revenge, nor of maiming or wounding except in fight, nor of torture to extort confessions.

Don't forget shooting down the citizens of Baltimore in the streets by the Army.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_riot_of_1861

 

[Mike]

You can't change the fact that Lincoln had much of the Maryland State Legislature arrested and imprisoned without due process for failing to pass a measure in the State of Maryland concerning Lincolns Federal decision to invade the Confederates.

A better measure of intelligence is the ability to comprehend. Which you don't seem capable of.

Only the few confederate sympathizers were arrested and upon hte orders of Sec of State Seward, not Lincoln. Actually the action guaranteed that any measures being considered (to join the confederacy) would not pass. :wink:

"Unquestionably," wrote historian Lawrence M. Denton, the aggressive actions of the federal military in Maryland during late April and early May had a profound impact on the members of the legislature. The occupation of the state by the federal military simply overawed the pro-southern majority while at the same time it encouraged and emboldened the Unionist minority. Resolutions — words of condemnation — were the order of the day, whereas action — a vote on secession — was not."38 Denton maintained: "The secession movement in Maryland probably would have been successful if Marylanders had been free to choose, because a majority of her people favored the South. An even larger majority opposed the North, Lincoln's policies, and the Republican Party." But the military force changed the civil situation — just as it changed the military one.

On September 17, 1861, the day the legislature reconvened to discuss these later events and Lincoln's possibly unconstitutional actions, twenty-seven state legislators (one-third of the Maryland General Assembly) were arrested and jailed by federal troops, using Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus, and in further defiance of the U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice's ex parte Merryman ruling. Because of this large-scale arrest of state representatives the legislative session was canceled, and no further debate on anti-war measures or secession could take place.

 

[Traveler]

I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the Civil War body count. Almost Stalin-ish.

 

[Mike]

I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the Civil War body count. Almost Stalin-ish.

The 26th North Carolina, hailing from seven counties in the western part of the state, suffered 714 casualties out of 800 men during the Battle of Gettysburg. The 24th Michigan squared off against the 26th North Carolina at Gettysburg and lost 362 out of 496 men. Nearly the entire student body of Ole Miss--135 out 139--enlisted in Company A of the 11th Mississippi. Company A, also known as the "University Greys" suffered 100% casualties in Pickett's Charge. Eighteen members of the Christian family of Christianburg, Virginia were killed during the war. It is estimated that one in three Southern households lost at least one family member.

One in thirteen surviving Civil War soldiers returned home missing one or more limbs. Pre-war jobs on farms or in factories became impossible or nearly so. This led to a rise in awareness of veterans' needs as well as increased responsibility and social power for women. For many, however, there was no solution. Tens of thousands of families slipped into destitution.

 

[TexasBred]

Because Maryland refused to side with the Union and neither secede, Lincoln had a huge number of their legislators imprisoned without "due process" in direct contradiction of the U.S. Constitution:

(these are direct copies of documents from the day, not a biased compilation)

http://teaching.msa.maryland.gov/000001/000000/000017/html/t17.html

Historians have often dismissed the role of the Lieber Code in the war effort. While it is true that commanders such as William Tecumseh Sherman rarely, if ever, consulted the Code in making combat decisions, the Code played a significant role nonetheless in the war's last two years. It provided a blueprint for hundreds of war crimes trials (i.e., charging people for violations of the laws and customs of war).

Lieber Code- Art. 16. Military necessity does not admit of cruelty - that is, the infliction of suffering for the sake of suffering or for revenge, nor of maiming or wounding except in fight, nor of torture to extort confessions.

Don't forget shooting down the citizens of Baltimore in the streets by the Army.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_riot_of_1861

Get ALL the facts. CB.....they soldiers were simply passing through and the crowd fired on them first. Not try and remember or do another google search.

 

[TexasBred]

I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the Civil War body count. Almost Stalin-ish.

The 26th North Carolina, hailing from seven counties in the western part of the state, suffered 714 casualties out of 800 men during the Battle of Gettysburg. The 24th Michigan squared off against the 26th North Carolina at Gettysburg and lost 362 out of 496 men. Nearly the entire student body of Ole Miss--135 out 139--enlisted in Company A of the 11th Mississippi. Company A, also known as the "University Greys" suffered 100% casualties in Pickett's Charge. Eighteen members of the Christian family of Christianburg, Virginia were killed during the war. It is estimated that one in three Southern households lost at least one family member.

One in thirteen surviving Civil War soldiers returned home missing one or more limbs. Pre-war jobs on farms or in factories became impossible or nearly so. This led to a rise in awareness of veterans' needs as well as increased responsibility and social power for women. For many, however, there was no solution. Tens of thousands of families slipped into destitution.

"A rich man's war and a poor man's fight" became the phrase attached to the draft acts in both the Union and the Confederacy, an apt description. In the North, immigrants who'd not been in the United States long enough to form an attachment were sent to fight for the preservation of the Union, while in the South, the subsistence farmer was taken from his home to fight for the planter's right to own slaves to do the work for him. Conscription was as easily dodged by those with means as bullets were difficult to miss for those without.

 

[Mike]

Get ALL the facts. CB.....they soldiers were simply passing through and the crowd fired on them first.

Lincoln was intent to make a show of force with the Federal troops coming through Baltimore. All he had to do to avoid a conflict was send the Massachusetts regiment to Washington D.C. dressed as civilians with their uniforms in a satchel and bring their guns ahead of or later in wagons.


He was gearing up with the MIlitarization of the nation. Make no mistake, he wanted war............. Stanton was pushing him hard on it.

 

[TexasBred]

Get ALL the facts. CB.....they soldiers were simply passing through and the crowd fired on them first.

Lincoln was intent to make a show of force with the Federal troops coming through Baltimore. All he had to do to avoid a conflict was send the Massachusetts regiment to Washington D.C. dressed as civilians with their uniforms in a satchel and bring their guns ahead of or later in wagons.


He was gearing up with the MIlitarization of the nation. Make no mistake, he wanted war............. Stanton was pushing him hard on it.

I'm sure every soldier carried an extra suit of civies in his knapsack Mike...Wonder what they would have done with their rifles?? BTW they came by train and the train was attacked by civilians. Quit coming up with lame excuses. These were troublemaking slave owners. Most of the state was pro union and had already voted overwhelmingly to NOT secede from the union. (Baltimore seems to have a real propensity for having radical groups who enjoy mob violence)

 

[Mike]

 

[TexasBred]

It is justifiable because it succeeded, and given right to the fact there is no wrong.........had your confederacy have won the war then yes secession would have been legal. End of story !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

 

[Mike]

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts. Nowhere in the founding documents does it say "Perpetuity".

But it does say each State shall be "Sovereign" & "Separate".