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Hayguy

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after looking at your photos of feeding with horses and wagon i wonder how you got the large bales round or square on the wagon. do you have to start a tractor to lift them on? if so why not just feed with the tractor. if you or anyone else could explain this to me it would be greatly appreciated thank-you
 
yes we do start a tractor to load sleighs and wagons , but only every other day or 2 , we use are horse's every day to grain or supplement are calves and or bulls then feed the cows , we try and stock pile grass for winter and only feed according to the weather , example last year we averaged 7 to 10 lbs of feed per day and started the tractor 75 out of a 150 days . I want to build something that is self loading but just haven't been happy with what I've tried so far with out spending a lot of money , last winter we put feed in the bunks for calves , my processor broke down over Christmas , we fed 8 bales a day for 8 days , 3 of which I fed by myself , I yet too see a tractor go through a gate on it's own , but I'm sure one day it might :wink:
 
thanks for the reply, i understand the savings better now. did you see the self loading unroller on prairie farm report a few weeks back? these folks have a new one out as well www.rancherslivestockequipment.com
 
I'll post some pics of my buddies outfit he feeds with-he has an electric winch to load them on a sleigh. Most guys up here have a stell frame that goes over the bale that you pin in the middle-then you roll the bale on a little steel slip and drag it to your feeding site-back your horses up a step and then pull the slip and unroll the bales. I had mine made so it pivoted-you didn't have to back your horses up but could pull up beside the bales. A two bob sleigh is best to feed with those teamster they used to sell with only one bob were really rough. If your not pulling to far you can just hook a chain around your bale and walk beside your horses too.
 
see one out fit put up the tripod of big poles and use the old jackson fork that was used for loose haay.... only they lower the bale all the way to the hay rack before releasing it
 
That boughten outfit looks like it would be kinda spendy. a person could just take a bale deck off a truck and run the hydraulics witha gas motor like that and mount on whatever kind of sleigh or wagon you have.
 
Northern Rancher said:
That boughten outfit looks like it would be kinda spendy. a person could just take a bale deck off a truck and run the hydraulics witha gas motor like that and mount on whatever kind of sleigh or wagon you have.
looks like you could put a propane heater on it too
Like my bale spinner , on the tractor, sure I miss the team, but not the cold
 
I just got off the phone with him-$6500 which isn't as much as I thought it would be-so for about $12,000 you could buy it-a broke team-some fancy harness and bells for xmas.
 
hayguy said:
thanks for the reply, i understand the savings better now. did you see the self loading unroller on prairie farm report a few weeks back? these folks have a new one out as well www.rancherslivestockequipment.com
thanks for the link but med squares don't roll so well :lol: I was thinking of something electric over hydraulic and being able to carry at lest 4 bales , last year I finally got a grain cart built with an electric motor backed up with a solar panel , fed twice a day about 2300 lbs and only had to charge it every 2 weeks and the battery never froze , that only took 10 years, something like what I was thinking of will most likely take 20 :D
 
Northern Rancher said:
You could cable on a med square pretty easy I'd think.
the fella that runs the big stick pasture made a wagon with a cable seem to work pretty slick , he had to old rims on either side and a crank on the end , he said the toughest part was getting the gear ratio , he is by the way over 50 :shock: maybe soap could talk to sparky he'd have one whipped up in about a week I bet , he's pretty handy
 
They used to load loose hay made with overshot stackers with a cable-you run the cable from the front of your sleigh around the bale and back your eveners-if you set it right you can flip the bale up onto your deck. The oldtimers used to load a four ton stack in two cables. I think they used sleighs with 12 x24 decks.
 
back when we were feeding with the team and sleigh , we buy a couplr truck loads of 4x4x8 barley straw , we pull up close to one on the ground brother and I would both push away one would hold the other would throw a couple small bales under the raised edge. Then we go around and roll it up onto the sleigh rack. Yes they only weight 800 to 1000 lbs, but we won a few bets with people who didn't think we could do it.
 
Northern Rancher said:
They used to load loose hay made with overshot stackers with a cable-you run the cable from the front of your sleigh around the bale and back your eveners-if you set it right you can flip the bale up onto your deck. The oldtimers used to load a four ton stack in two cables. I think they used sleighs with 12 x24 decks.
my father in law put up loose hay up in till 88 , I think it's still the best hay , haythorns I believe move them big stacks with horses , but soap would know better then I would , I was hoping to get a start on something this winter , some sort of rack that I could move from a sleigh to a wagon , after all we do live in southern alberta , everybody thinks I'm nut's for even having a sleigh down here , but thanks for the idea's NR
 
In this country, we always used to feed loose hay on what we called "hay sleds," even though they had four wheels instead of runners. Some folks called them "low-boys." They were basically built with steel I beams with a wooden platform. The platform tipped, so one side completely touched the ground. To load, the sled would be pulled up alongside a four to six ton hay stack. The team or tractor would be disconnected from the tongue of the sled and maneuvered around to the back of the sled and pointed perpendicular to the sled. A chain from the front of the sled would go around the stack and then be hooked to the team or tractor. Then the stack would be pulled onto the tilted sled.

Usually just half of the stack would be pulled on to start with. After this hay was fed, you came back to load the bottom part, called the stackbutt. If you used a tractor, sometimes you could cheat and use a dozer to push the stackbutt onto the sled. If using a team, there was quite a trick to loading and it involved two chains. The first chain was put right down on the ground and almost encouraged to cut under just a bit. You didn't dare keep pulling with just one chain because the hay would tear all apart. After the team had just tightened the chain in the cutting under postition, a second chain would be placed around the stack, about a foot above the first chain. The chains would be tied so they had equal pulling pressure, and the stackbutt could be easily pulled onto the sled just about as slick as a chain mover could have done it. Not everyone knew this trick, and I didn't learn it until riding around with Buck Buckles who still uses a six-horse abreast hitch.

Back to loading round bales, they can be cabled on in much the same way as I have described loading loose hay. If things are done just right, the bale tips strategically so it lands on end. It is fairly easy to cable two bales onto a haysled, both standing on end. Then the strings can be cut, and the bales pitched off with a common pitchfork, or better yet a curved drag-fork. I've fed a lot of hay this way, and it doesn't work too badly.

Scott Manufacturing from Gordon, Nebraska makes a nifty two-wheeled cart that has two winches. It hauls and unrolls one bale at a time, and can be pulled with a team, pickup, or tractor. These are priced at around $2000. I just looked on their website, but they don't have this cart pictured. It does sure look like it would work though.
 
greenslades northern welding of hanna alta build a hand winch bale unroller that can be pulled with just about anything. sells for around 1500.00 might be a good main or back-up delivery system.
 
well looks like I got lots of ideas , now I got to just pick one :lol: , I think the cable idea might work pretty slick , but I just might put a little power to it , then have it disengage to to pull the cables back , could use the cables to lift a small ramp of the back , so a guy could go from a sleigh to a wagon . A friend give me a atv winch a while back , I think it's rated for 1200 lbs , maybe I'll do some messing around with that . Well I was going to start some colts , guess I'd bet get my butt in gear :)
 

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