Topper
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I see Vacci-Test Corporation announced today that they have a live test for BSE. Hope they have.
www.vacci-test.com
www.vacci-test.com
Live test for BSE announced today
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Mike
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Wonder if the USDA will sit on their hands and wait 4-5 years before approving this test like they did the rapid tests? Wonder if they'll deny Creekstone these tests? Wonder if the Japs will recognize it?
Wonder, wonder wonder?
Other than that, this "sounds too good to be true". Hope it works.
Wonder, wonder wonder?
Other than that, this "sounds too good to be true". Hope it works.
Mike
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Murgen said:
Murgen, If the test is accurate I think it WILL be used for live cattle trade. But then again..............you know how slow the USDA is?
I wonder will this test be "False Advertising" to SH too?
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EFSA said this week that in the long term an accurate live animal test might offer the possibility to reduce the number of culled animals after the detection of one positive animal.
"A rapid BSE test for live cattle could be approved for the purpose of consumer protection, for epidemiological screening or for both. For the purpose of consumer protection any new rapid BSE test including tests for live animals should not be statistically inferior to that of the currently approved post mortem tests," said the Brussels-based agency, soon to move to Parma in Italy.
EFSA has come up with a protocol for the 'design of a field trial protocol for the evaluation of BSE tests for live cattle for the purpose of consumer protection only.'
European Food Safety Agency
Topper
Member
I see the critics are already jumping all over this test even before it gets a chance to be proven. I guess if the powers that be don't want it then we won't get it. http://www.canada.com/news/agriculture/story.html?id=505d4e35-37cb-41d8-ae8e-ed3714131100
Mike
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"One of the Vacci-Test directors, former federal Conservative cabinet minister Charlie Mayer, acknowledged selling the idea of the new technology to the United States is difficult."
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This statement really makes me feel confident our "USDA". They got caught with their pants down for using 1990 technology in the IHC test. They waited 4-5 years before approving rapid tests............now this. :???: :???: :???:
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This statement really makes me feel confident our "USDA". They got caught with their pants down for using 1990 technology in the IHC test. They waited 4-5 years before approving rapid tests............now this. :???: :???: :???:
Kathy
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Of the 6 members of the scientific research team, 4 are from France and 2 are from Montreal, Canada.
Dr. Legastelois specialty in microparticle technology, fits snugly with something I'm investigating, and which Reader also mentioned which is "nanotechnology" ("nanoparticles").
This is not a BSE test. It is finding a protein marker associated with BSE (their words) and asssociated with brain injury or infection. That is why it is called BD, for bovine diagnostics.
Just some facts for now. My opinion on this will require alot more investigation. However, as this is not an immune response, (this statement was also made by the company), to name the product "Vacci-Test" is misleading. BSE has nothing to do with infection, as an infection would elicit an immune response of some sort.
One of the other French researchers, Dr. Louis Lery (listed as the inventor) also helped to found the Societe Francaise de Toxicologie. (French Society of Toxicology).
Copied From the companies webpage: (with emphasis [bold letters] added by myself):
This statement absolutely makes me laugh, as there is no infectious agent to be found. Just a nucleating agent, which is a metal. (In my humble and educated opinion.)
Sounds like Dr. Vitaly Vodyanoy of Auburn University in Alabama, hit the nail on the head!
Dr. Legastelois specialty in microparticle technology, fits snugly with something I'm investigating, and which Reader also mentioned which is "nanotechnology" ("nanoparticles").
This is not a BSE test. It is finding a protein marker associated with BSE (their words) and asssociated with brain injury or infection. That is why it is called BD, for bovine diagnostics.
Just some facts for now. My opinion on this will require alot more investigation. However, as this is not an immune response, (this statement was also made by the company), to name the product "Vacci-Test" is misleading. BSE has nothing to do with infection, as an infection would elicit an immune response of some sort.
One of the other French researchers, Dr. Louis Lery (listed as the inventor) also helped to found the Societe Francaise de Toxicologie. (French Society of Toxicology).
Copied From the companies webpage: (with emphasis [bold letters] added by myself):
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This statement absolutely makes me laugh, as there is no infectious agent to be found. Just a nucleating agent, which is a metal. (In my humble and educated opinion.)
Sounds like Dr. Vitaly Vodyanoy of Auburn University in Alabama, hit the nail on the head!
Mike
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Murgen said:
The Vacci-Test link didn't work for me in Firefox, so I opened it in Explorer.
The news link worked fine for me.
Nice to see a Canadian company stepping up to the plate and taking this on themselves, I bet the political hurdles will be great. I hope they get it done. At $20, it's the first step towards reassuring our customers that the product is safe. With a system like ViewTrak http://www.viewtrak.com/
This will all come together. Staff, there are other products out there that compare to yours. And no I do not work for ViewTrak.
This will all come together. Staff, there are other products out there that compare to yours. And no I do not work for ViewTrak.
Kathy
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taken from news article Topper listed:
I'm having a problem with this statement. "Samples of BSE-infected blood"...
First, prions are not in blood. So, how do you get BSE infected blood?
Second, does this mean they took samples of diseased brain, isolated and concentrated the malformed prions, homogenized etc. and inserted a specific amount of homogenate into the blood? This sounds alot like the Pall Corp. news release. They added concentrated tissue into the blood sample, and then claimed they removed them from the blood, leading everyone to believe there are prions in blood.
Vacci-Test is at least admitting to only finding a biomarker of brain injury. However, there terminology is questionable: "infected blood" or more likely, "contaminated blood".
I'm having a problem with this statement. "Samples of BSE-infected blood"...
First, prions are not in blood. So, how do you get BSE infected blood?
Second, does this mean they took samples of diseased brain, isolated and concentrated the malformed prions, homogenized etc. and inserted a specific amount of homogenate into the blood? This sounds alot like the Pall Corp. news release. They added concentrated tissue into the blood sample, and then claimed they removed them from the blood, leading everyone to believe there are prions in blood.
Vacci-Test is at least admitting to only finding a biomarker of brain injury. However, there terminology is questionable: "infected blood" or more likely, "contaminated blood".
Topper
Member
I would think that instead of crying about terminology that Vacci-Test use it could be quite easy to do a test of their system. If you put blood from a bse positive cow in thousands of samples and they could pick it out that would convince me they are on the right track. But I guess that would be too easy. It's easier to just call them a bunch of quacks and dismiss their work.
PORKER
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May I remind everyone that a German company and a US company were the first to have a live animal blood BSE test last YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!
I was waiting for somone to mention that. Until a test is accepted and put in use it is no more than research. I hope there is a live test at some time but the one recently announced is 97% accurate. Will that be high enough to gain gov't approval?PORKER said:
PORKER
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The GERMAN was 100% accurate.
Alberta company says BSE test ready by fall
By Bill Graveland
CALGARY (CP) -- Using expertise developed in Europe, a Calgary-based research company said Thursday it expects to have a live-cattle test for BSE ready for market this fall.
But industry leaders say any such test for bovine spongiform encephalopathy, also known as mad cow disease, faces large hurdles before acceptance.
Officials with Vacci-Test Corporation said their test evaluates the immune status rapidly through a simple blood test that looks for a protein marker that identifies brain infections such as BSE in cattle.
"From the science point of view the discoveries are there. We're over that end of it," said Bill Hogan, president and CEO of Vacci-Test.
"It's now finishing all the documentation. Once you get the validation you are in the market with the product. We expect that to be September or October of this year," he said.
As part of the scientific review, the test was used on samples of BSE-infected blood supplied by the French Food Safety Agency as well as the Veterinary Laboratories Agency in Weybridge, England.
The infected blood was tested along with samples of non-infected blood and the results were more than encouraging he said.
"Our tests with certainty picked out the BSE every time," said Hogan but he acknowledged it's not 100 per cent effective.
"Ninety-six, 97 per cent for sensitivity. Like in chemistry there is never 100 per cent but that is extremely high," Hogan said.
The next step is to transfer the final results to the European Food Commission and the Canadian Food Inspection Agency. It should be validated and ready for market, at $20 per animal, this fall said Hogan.
But an official with the Canadian Cattlemen's Association doubts it will be quite that easy.
"Ultimately in order for it to have any validity it will have to be sanctioned by the World Animal Health Organization," said assistant general manager Rob McNabb.
"It's going to be of no value to us in the short-term until it becomes a validated test," he said.
Doug Fee of the Canadian Angus Association agreed the test, although positive, isn't going to be a cure-all.
"They've got a couple of hurdles to make. One is international assistance and until it gets that international acceptance I don't think it's going to do too well in the market," said Fee, the association's CEO.
"If this is going to be valid internationally the Americans are still our major trading partner and it's going to have to have American acceptance to be of any use."
One of the Vacci-Test directors, former federal Conservative cabinet minister Charlie Mayer, acknowledged selling the idea of the new technology to the United States is difficult.
"Sure we're going to run into some political issues but we'll deal with them," said Mayer.
"We feel this is a major step for the cattle industry and consumers and we're going to pursue it."
Canada's cattle industry has suffered greatly for two years since a single case of mad cow disease was diagnosed in an Alberta cow and international borders slammed shut to live cattle.
By Bill Graveland
CALGARY (CP) -- Using expertise developed in Europe, a Calgary-based research company said Thursday it expects to have a live-cattle test for BSE ready for market this fall.
But industry leaders say any such test for bovine spongiform encephalopathy, also known as mad cow disease, faces large hurdles before acceptance.
Officials with Vacci-Test Corporation said their test evaluates the immune status rapidly through a simple blood test that looks for a protein marker that identifies brain infections such as BSE in cattle.
"From the science point of view the discoveries are there. We're over that end of it," said Bill Hogan, president and CEO of Vacci-Test.
"It's now finishing all the documentation. Once you get the validation you are in the market with the product. We expect that to be September or October of this year," he said.
As part of the scientific review, the test was used on samples of BSE-infected blood supplied by the French Food Safety Agency as well as the Veterinary Laboratories Agency in Weybridge, England.
The infected blood was tested along with samples of non-infected blood and the results were more than encouraging he said.
"Our tests with certainty picked out the BSE every time," said Hogan but he acknowledged it's not 100 per cent effective.
"Ninety-six, 97 per cent for sensitivity. Like in chemistry there is never 100 per cent but that is extremely high," Hogan said.
The next step is to transfer the final results to the European Food Commission and the Canadian Food Inspection Agency. It should be validated and ready for market, at $20 per animal, this fall said Hogan.
But an official with the Canadian Cattlemen's Association doubts it will be quite that easy.
"Ultimately in order for it to have any validity it will have to be sanctioned by the World Animal Health Organization," said assistant general manager Rob McNabb.
"It's going to be of no value to us in the short-term until it becomes a validated test," he said.
Doug Fee of the Canadian Angus Association agreed the test, although positive, isn't going to be a cure-all.
"They've got a couple of hurdles to make. One is international assistance and until it gets that international acceptance I don't think it's going to do too well in the market," said Fee, the association's CEO.
"If this is going to be valid internationally the Americans are still our major trading partner and it's going to have to have American acceptance to be of any use."
One of the Vacci-Test directors, former federal Conservative cabinet minister Charlie Mayer, acknowledged selling the idea of the new technology to the United States is difficult.
"Sure we're going to run into some political issues but we'll deal with them," said Mayer.
"We feel this is a major step for the cattle industry and consumers and we're going to pursue it."
Canada's cattle industry has suffered greatly for two years since a single case of mad cow disease was diagnosed in an Alberta cow and international borders slammed shut to live cattle.
Mike
Well-known member
Bill said:
From what I understand the live test will have a 97% accuracy meaning that 3% might have a false negative rate and will have a 100% rate for showing neurological (brain) dysfunctions. Please correct me if I'm wrong! Seeing as how such a small percentage of cattle actually have BSE there should be a very low number of animals that would slip through that 3% window. VERY LOW
In science there is little that is 100%.
I'm wondering at what stage of "BSE" will these live tests show results. Obviously, they can't have the "full blown" symptoms, but is it 2 days after
developing prions or is it 2 years?
Kathy
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Topper don't be so sensitive!
Would you want the CFIA, OIE, etc. to just approve products based on what the manufacturer claims?
My question here was did they use blood from naturally diseased animals, inoculated animals, or did they spike blood with prion particles?
This imbalance of metals could be a foundation for a pre-visible-clinical symptoms BSE blood-test kit too, but I would hope we understand the technology before we invest our lives, and life-savings into it.
I can't imagine that this new test will be ready for fall, considering the rate that approval systems work. This will require acceptance by OIE, USDA, CFIA and other UK and EU authorities before it is put into mass production.
Would you want the CFIA, OIE, etc. to just approve products based on what the manufacturer claims?
My question here was did they use blood from naturally diseased animals, inoculated animals, or did they spike blood with prion particles?
This imbalance of metals could be a foundation for a pre-visible-clinical symptoms BSE blood-test kit too, but I would hope we understand the technology before we invest our lives, and life-savings into it.
I can't imagine that this new test will be ready for fall, considering the rate that approval systems work. This will require acceptance by OIE, USDA, CFIA and other UK and EU authorities before it is put into mass production.
Maple Leaf Angus
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Kathy, keep in mind that a whole lot of people want to see a light at the end of the tunnel and this could be it.
My guess is that this thing will be approved in record time. Let's hope so. This industry needs all the help it can get. Not that we want something that isn't reliable, but I would think that a lot of bureaucracy will be cut this time.
Woo-whoo, can you imagine the feathers that tthat would ruffle!
My guess is that this thing will be approved in record time. Let's hope so. This industry needs all the help it can get. Not that we want something that isn't reliable, but I would think that a lot of bureaucracy will be cut this time.
Woo-whoo, can you imagine the feathers that tthat would ruffle!
