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Looks like somebody wants Mexican cattle.

It has been shown and now is pretty apparent to the country- that if the Corporate world is left to police themselves they don't do it- be it Packers, Banking, Insurance, Importing, whatever--with the current loss of moral and ethical values in the business world and the attitude they can use any loophole, grey area, as long as it makes a fast buck and they can keep themselves out of jail...
And management cares less anymore-even if some recall or ban bankrupts the country- as they all have their multimillion dollar golden parachutes wrote in before they walk into the offices...

Industry was given several years to self police- they failed- now its time for change....
 
Where'd the beef come from? Gaps cloud new food-labeling law
By SUSAN SALISBURY

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Friday, October 03, 2008

Now coming to a supermarket near you: beef from the United States, Mexico, Canada, New Zealand and Uruguay.

All in the same pound of hamburger.

What's COOL, what's not

As of Sept. 30, the Country of Origin Labeling, or COOL, law requires fresh meat, poultry, fish, fruits, vegetables and certain nuts to bear a label stating the product's country of origin. But anything processed, including items that are cooked, salted or dried, are exempt. Below, a guide to the COOL and un-COOL.

COOL

Meat sold in supermarkets.

Fish sold in supermarkets*

Raw peanuts

Pork chops

Bagged lettuce

Sliced cantaloupe

Fresh salmon

Fresh shrimp


NOT COOL

Meat sold in butcher shops.

Fish sold in fish markets

Peanut butter

Roasted peanuts

Bacon

Trail mix

Bagged mixed salad greens

Smoked salmon

Cooked shrimp


*Fish sold in supermarkets has been required to be labeled since 2005.


Source: Consumers Union, Yonkers, N.Y.

New federal rules debuted this week mandating that food labels reflect where the food originated. Its intent is to let consumers know where their food came from. But gaps in the legislation, known as country-of-origin labeling or COOL, can still leave shoppers in the dark.

For instance, carrots have to be labeled. Frozen carrots and peas don't. Frozen french fries have to be labeled. Frozen seasoned french fries don't.

And that New York strip steak in the supermarket case? A recent trip to Publix found one labeled "Product of U.S., Mexico, Canada."

The multiple-country problem with beef is the strangest and most contentious quirk to come out of COOL, held up for six years by food and meat industry groups that protested it would be too difficult and expensive to implement. Processed foods are still exempt. That includes bagged salads, mixed frozen vegetables and 95 percent of peanuts, pecans and macadamia nuts - roasting is considered a form of processing.

Now, just days after the rule took effect, a group of 31 senators has asked U.S. Secretary of Agriculture Ed Schaefer to put more restrictive meat-labeling rules in place. And Senate bills were introduced this week seeking to extend the mandatory labeling to dairy products and pharmaceuticals.

Despite the law's many loopholes, "It is a good first step," said Caroline Smith DeWaal, director of food safety for the nonprofit Center for Science in the Public Interest in Washington.

"Consumers simply have a right to know where their food comes from," said Urvashi Rangan, senior scientist with New York-based Consumers Union. "An overwhelming majority, 92 percent of Americans, want to know," Rangan said of a recent survey.

For that reason, the federal law hits home with Linda Rex, 63, a seasonal Boynton Beach resident and grandmother of 17. "I think it's wonderful, particularly because we should be eating more local. When they ship stuff from far away, it doesn't have any nutrients left anyway," Rex said. "If it doesn't come from where I am now, I don't really want it."

In fact, concerns about food imports from China and Canada helped move COOL along.

"It does provide a certain safety measure for consumers to make informed decisions," Rangan said, citing recent incidents involving contaminated seafood from China, and Mexican jalapeños linked to salmonella. "It can also help consumers verify regional authenticity of a product, such as Parmesan cheese or Parma ham."

There's definitely an "ewww" factor for discovering a pound of ground beef could be from cows from different countries that wound up at the same slaughterhouse. But Mark Dopp, senior vice president for regulatory affairs at the American Meat Institute in Washington, said the meatpacking industry needs some flexibility.

Meatpacking plants are huge, handling herds of cattle from multiple nations. "The cost of segregating cattle at the plant, keeping carcasses separate and keeping meat products separated is extremely burdensome." (NOT)

Without keeping carcasses separate, said Denver-based National Farmers Union president Tom Buis, 85 percent of beef "muscle cuts" such as steaks, will carry a "Canada, Mexico, USA label" as meatpackers try to cover all possibilities.

That's a problem for Bill Bullard, CEO of cattle producers group R-CALF in Billings, Mont. The multiple-country label should never be allowed for products that are exclusively of U.S. origin, he said. Bullard contends that meatpackers want to use that label to mask the fact that they are buying cheaper imported animals and slaughtering them in the United States.

Labeling is much more straightforward for most other covered commodities. Foods processed and packaged in other countries already are required to be labeled under tariff laws dating back to the 1930s.

And for Floridians, who have had the benefits of a fresh-produce-only labeling law since 1979, country-of-origin designations on fruits and vegetables are nothing new. But now frozen fruits and vegetables, chicken, pork, lamb, goat, peanuts, ginseng, pecans and macadamia nuts will be covered.

Bob Graham, who signed the Florida law as governor in 1979, and worked on COOL during his time in the U.S. Senate, said the federal rule "is long delayed. Many of the arguments that were made against the federal law, that it would cause sharp price increases in vegetables in stores, and would be too cumbersome for the stores to manage, were all proven to be false by the Florida experience. That was a powerful factor in getting the federal law changed."

J. Luis Rodriguez, a trade adviser with Florida Farmers Inc. in Lake Worth and a former vegetable grower who helped author the Florida law, said pressure from retailers almost resulted in a voluntary COOL law, which Rodriguez contends would have worked about as well as a voluntary speed limit.

It took a national coalition, Americans for Country of Origin Labeling, that included the National Farmers Union, Consumers Union and more than 100 other groups, to push COOL into law, Rodriquez said.

Hugh MacMillan, a Tallahassee lobbyist who worked with Rodriguez on the Florida law, said he's glad to see federal COOL get its day in the sun. "It has a certain genius. It brings the consumers into the equation
 
So, the real problem is that this is inconvenient for the packers, as efficient as they may be, they're going to have to learn that being so big is going to have to come with some inconveniences. Being smaller has to have at least some advantages, like not mixing ground beef from hundreds of animals and then putting them into thousands of packages to ship all over the country.
 
mrj said:
How much more do you think the majority of consumers are willing to pay for the 'slowly processed' beef? Will it be enough to pay the unskilled, uneducated, lowest paid workers a "living wage" (whatever that truly is!) AND pay the producers a "living wage" for their time, above their costs? And pay all the 'regulators' for 'equal' regulation of all packing plants, no matter how small?
mrj

Maxine, are you saying that the workers in the smaller plants are, unskilled and uneducated?
 
Ben H, who told you this?

The guy who runs it, Joel Huesby. I met him at a conference and have talked with him a few times. He has also had a few articles in Stockman Grass Farmer. 30 beeves I think came from one of the articles about it.

http://www.thunderinghooves.net/meats/processing.htm

Maxine, are you saying that the workers in the smaller plants are, unskilled and uneducated?

Anyone who has worked with a small plant knows the employees are a lot more skilled then any large plant.
 
They will pay more for slowly processed beef. That is the difference between my "Ranch of Origin" and the COOL.... I can't keep up because my label reflects quality where COOL does not....

How much more and how many more? I have no idea and truthfully, noone else does either. It has not been tested, we can only suspect how big the market is. What I do know is the overwhelming majority of peaopl I have met have never experienced beef that has been Dry-Aged for 21 days. When they do, they no longer ask about price....They know what they want.

Is that a regional thing? Is that a small group I just encounter? I do not know....I just try to sell what I do the best I can,

Ben, I'd be surprised that huseb could do 30 head in a day given a mobile slaughter unit, but I don't know,

PPRM
 
30 seemed like a lot to me too, but that's what I read or was told. My USDA butcher limits me to 6 in a day, mostly due to their holding pen size and space for dry aging. I'm not sure what the capacity of the State inspected plant I'm trying this month is.

As far as dry aging goes, I used to try to maximize but now that I'm grass fed, I'm limiting to 10 days. That's what's recomended by Anabil Pordomingo, the Grass Fed Guru from Argentina and Grass Finished editor for SGF. He feels tenderness should come from a constant rate of gain through the animals life, never a time with poor gain. He feels 10 days is sufficient and anything can more can concentrate possible off flavors from a forage they may have consumed. Consistancy is the advantage of grain fed, and you shouldn't have to worry about off flavors. I haven't come across any, for one I know not to use Fescue in the last part of the finishing stage.

The butcher told me a few weeks ago that the animals I brought were the best they have seen from me so far, the tenderness was great and the fat cover was about perfect, he couldn't believe it when I told him the steer was born last May and never had a bite of grain in his life. I love these Hereford/Red Angus crosses. I'm really excited for spring, I have some calves from Johnny B. Good (Pharo Cattle Company) on the way.
 
Ben H, PPRM, and Ben Roberts...when talking to my inspectors, they could not think of a plant that was labeling beef in Mississippi...even made a few calls that came up empty. They said the reason was the increased testing for E.coli...forcing plants killing 6 head per day to have the same amount of testing as the plant killing 6000 head per day. Testing cost spread over 6 head is more burdensome than the same testing cost over 6000 head. I can cover the cost with my premium market(as I'm sure the three of you can), but if the plant has to compete on the commodity wholesale level, they simply can't. The inspectors also said that grocery stores that grind their own beef will eventually stop because of regulations.

What are y'all situation with your processors?

PPRM, as for the market...most all of my customers are college graduate, professional people. They care about the quality and safety of the food they buy and feed their families. When they research "food", they don't like what they find about what is available from the large food processors. This market will continue to grow...we just have to have a way to reach those consumers. That's why keeping small plants open is critical!!!!!
 
Ben R. and Ben H., how are you defining "small plants"? I'believe I've previously been quite clear that I refer to family owned and operated, small town plants with STATE inspection, not FEDERAL. Maybe a helper or two, but not a large staff. The several "small" plants, maybe a dozen or so over the past fifty years I know of, (and that includes a buffalo processing facility) in west central SD have done a great job, for the most part.

However, there probably haven't been more than a very few people involved, from owners to part time employees, who have more than a high school education, if that. Nor have they taken any formal training in processing animals, other than possibly a workshop put on by a state government entity, or their business organization or on the job training by way of a previous job at a larger meat processing facility.

So, when I refer to "unskilled" and "uneducated" workers, I mean they have likely not been trained for meat processing in a technical school or nor gotten a college education. Or had no practical on the job training.

That is not to say those who have not had such training are incapable of achieving training or education. There can be good skills in most jobs passed down from parent to children, tho there might be some valuable up to date professional techniques lost in that situation.

Are you saying workers in all small plants ARE skilled and educated???

mrj
 
Are you saying workers in all small plants ARE skilled and educated???

Are you saying workers in large plants are skilled and educated?

This in't exactly rocket science, but the big factor for the worker is whether he even cares to produce a healthy product and is not pushed to the max on the kill floor.

I'd vote to eat beef from the small plant anyday. Those guys generally take pride in their work, and don't get sloppy by being pushed to keep the chains running at full speed...................
 
Mike said:
Are you saying workers in all small plants ARE skilled and educated???

Are you saying workers in large plants are skilled and educated?

This in't exactly rocket science, but the big factor for the worker is whether he even cares to produce a healthy product and is not pushed to the max on the kill floor.

I'd vote to eat beef from the small plant anyday. Those guys generally take pride in their work, and don't get sloppy by being pushed to keep the chains running at full speed...................

Mike said:
Those guys generally take pride in their work,...
:agree: :clap: :clap: :clap:

I've know a lot of educated people,PhDs, that weren't skilled at much of anything.(Certainly not skilled enough to run my farm...so why should I take their advise????!!!)
I'll take skilled and experienced any day!!!
 
Mike, fact is, my original comment on the previous page re. "unskilled workers" related tothe fact there are UNSKILLED workers in the largest packing plants!

The question was whether or not consumers can afford to, or will, pay the prices necessary to raise wages for jobs requiring little 'skill' or education to the point that 'educated' or 'skilled' workers will take the jobs now being performed largely by unskilled, uneducated workers.

There had been implication that we would have fewer beef recalls and foodborne illnesses if there were no poorly paid and educated workers in food processing plants.

FACT: we can make pristine beef products....FOR A PRICE. Whether that 'price' is 'slow processing' by highly educated and motivated workers, or whether it is by improvements in eliminating E coli and other problems, or whether it is with irradiation pasteurization of beef after packaging, it can be done......if enough people demand it and are willing and able to pay the costs.

mrj
 
The butcher passes the cost to me, I recently killed/processed 2 beeves, the check I wrote was $942.25, that was sold to 5 customers for their freezers.

There are a few small USDA inspected plants in the state, I believe they also fill in the gaps by trucking in a Refer. and cutting it up.

I doubt any of them have any higher education other then the inspector, the owner is from many generations of meat cutters, he has his son working with him and a grans son running around with a little white apron. One knock I will put to them is lack of retail experience. I was willing to purchase the cutting directions, DVD's, audit cards for the new cuts developed by the checkoff. They were unwilling to take the time. Because I do a little bit of retail sale by the cut (from home and farmers market) that is money lost for me. Consistancy does lack a little. Someone made a comment about lack of oversight, there isn't any as far as processing uniformity and consistancy goes. It's reputation, and if there aren't many choices due to the fact that they can't compete, then you're kind of screwed. Large plants are an assembly line where a worker is trained on a specific task. The biggest advantage in food safety with these small plants is that each animal is processed seperately.

I highly recomend any of you read the new book by Joel Salatin "Everything I want To Do Is Illegal, War Stories From The Local Food Front", he brings up the point that they need to de-regulate the local producers and allow ones reputation to be the standard.
http://www.amazon.com/Everything-Want-Do-Illegal-Stories/dp/0963810952

I heard Mike Lorentz of Lorentz Meats talk at a SGF conference, he seems like he really has it together and has a good model. They would like to open other plants in areas that are in need.
http://www.lorentzmeats.com/
 

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