Low RFI Bulls Sire Feed Efficient Calves

[Northern Rancher]

Who feeds them all they want to eat?

 

[Denny]

Well how could'nt you if your bale grazeing they get all they want then starve at the end or you move them to the next paddock. Only way you could regulate it is to limit feed each day one way or another.

 

[Northern Rancher]

They get 21/2 percent of their body weight-the last couple days they clean up or go to grazing. I've been accused of many things but overfeeding isn't one of them lol. You seem concerned about a little old sask. stump rancher lol.

 

[Denny]

No I'm not concernedabout you. But a couple of days cleaning up around the shirt and piss piles is'nt exactly like roughing it as the 2 weeks prior eating 5% of their body weight.Basically you feed on a all or nothing program. I guess I could'nt or would'nt do it.The differance between over and under feeding in a winter is about 200 bales of $15 swamp hay so for the $3000 mine will be fed when hungry same as me.

 

[RobertMac]

Cattle that do well in the pasture do well on feed. And vice-versa.

Can't buy the "vice-versa"...but I do agree with you that good cattle will work on either.

A low gut volume animal on low nutrient forage may not be able to eat enough of that forage to meet its nutritional needs. A large gut volume animal on the same low nutrient forage may be able to consumer enough volume to reach its nutritional needs. There will be a performance difference.

Take the same two animals and put them on a nutrient dense concentrate...the performance difference will be much less because the low gut volume animal can consume enough to meet its nutritional needs.
My point being that nutrient dense diets can hide flawed genetics.

My position is that if I can get all my cows to work on forage only...and produce calves that work on forage only...then anything that goes to a feedlot should excel.

 

[katrina]

Cattle that do well in the pasture do well on feed. And vice-versa.

Can't buy the "vice-versa"...but I do agree with you that good cattle will work on either.

A low gut volume animal on low nutrient forage may not be able to eat enough of that forage to meet its nutritional needs. A large gut volume animal on the same low nutrient forage may be able to consumer enough volume to reach its nutritional needs. There will be a performance difference.

Take the same two animals and put them on a nutrient dense concentrate...the performance difference will be much less because the low gut volume animal can consume enough to meet its nutritional needs.
My point being that nutrient dense diets can hide flawed genetics.

My position is that if I can get all my cows to work on forage only...and produce calves that work on forage only...then anything that goes to a feedlot should excel.

:agree:

Everyone should feed there cattle out just once..

 

[Northern Rancher]

To start with sunshine I probably feed as much or more meadow hay than you do-it's truly a rancher extrordinaire who can tell everything and form judgements about an outfit 1200 miles away he's never visited. I salute you are truly unique. Now go pour some maple syrup on your cows pancakes.

 

[TSR]

Cattle that do well in the pasture do well on feed. And vice-versa.

Can't buy the "vice-versa"...but I do agree with you that good cattle will work on either.

A low gut volume animal on low nutrient forage may not be able to eat enough of that forage to meet its nutritional needs. A large gut volume animal on the same low nutrient forage may be able to consumer enough volume to reach its nutritional needs. There will be a performance difference.

Take the same two animals and put them on a nutrient dense concentrate...the performance difference will be much less because the low gut volume animal can consume enough to meet its nutritional needs.
My point being that nutrient dense diets can hide flawed genetics.

My position is that if I can get all my cows to work on forage only...and produce calves that work on forage only...then anything that goes to a feedlot should excel.

Yep, I agree.

 

[Dylan Biggs]

Cattle that do well in the pasture do well on feed. And vice-versa.

Can't buy the "vice-versa"...but I do agree with you that good cattle will work on either.

A low gut volume animal on low nutrient forage may not be able to eat enough of that forage to meet its nutritional needs. A large gut volume animal on the same low nutrient forage may be able to consumer enough volume to reach its nutritional needs. There will be a performance difference.

Take the same two animals and put them on a nutrient dense concentrate...the performance difference will be much less because the low gut volume animal can consume enough to meet its nutritional needs.
My point being that nutrient dense diets can hide flawed genetics.

My position is that if I can get all my cows to work on forage only...and produce calves that work on forage only...then anything that goes to a feedlot should excel.

Yep, I agree.

That is my experience also.

 

[Mike]

Cattle that do well in the pasture do well on feed. And vice-versa.

Can't buy the "vice-versa"...but I do agree with you that good cattle will work on either.

A low gut volume animal on low nutrient forage may not be able to eat enough of that forage to meet its nutritional needs. A large gut volume animal on the same low nutrient forage may be able to consumer enough volume to reach its nutritional needs. There will be a performance difference.

Take the same two animals and put them on a nutrient dense concentrate...the performance difference will be much less because the low gut volume animal can consume enough to meet its nutritional needs.
My point being that nutrient dense diets can hide flawed genetics.

My position is that if I can get all my cows to work on forage only...and produce calves that work on forage only...then anything that goes to a feedlot should excel.

You're comparing oranges to apples.

 

[Dylan Biggs]

No he's comparing cattle to cattle.

 

[RobertMac]

Cattle that do well in the pasture do well on feed. And vice-versa.

Can't buy the "vice-versa"...but I do agree with you that good cattle will work on either.

A low gut volume animal on low nutrient forage may not be able to eat enough of that forage to meet its nutritional needs. A large gut volume animal on the same low nutrient forage may be able to consumer enough volume to reach its nutritional needs. There will be a performance difference.

Take the same two animals and put them on a nutrient dense concentrate...the performance difference will be much less because the low gut volume animal can consume enough to meet its nutritional needs.
My point being that nutrient dense diets can hide flawed genetics.

My position is that if I can get all my cows to work on forage only...and produce calves that work on forage only...then anything that goes to a feedlot should excel.

You're comparing oranges to apples.

OK, ~SH~! :wink: :wink: :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Mike, I guess that's my point...all cattle aren't oranges and nutrient dense diets can make the apples look more like oranges. Isn't that why the industry when to grain based diets so poorer performing animals can perform beyond the genetic ability? My goal is to indentify and get rid of poor genetics...and I don't see that happening with feedlot testing.

I imagine you are about as wet over there as I am here...I'm ready for summer!!! Take care!