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Groups sue to keep COOL on the books


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9/5/2012



The Made in the USA Foundation led a coalition of groups filing suit against the World Trade Organization, the U.S. Trade Representative and the Secretary of Agriculture to keep the U.S. Country of Origin Labeling Act (COOL) in force. The WTO ruled this summer that COOL, which required meat from Mexico, Canada and other nations to be labeled as such, discriminated against imported beef.



The lawsuit was filed in the United States District Court in Denver, Colorado. The case seeks a court order declaring that the World Trade Organization does not have the authority to override U.S. law. The Country of Origin Labeling Act requires all meat, fish, chicken and produce to be labeled at the grocery store with an accurate country of origin.



Canada and Mexico challenged the U.S. law at the World Trade Organization, arguing that the law unfairly discriminates against imports from these two nations. The WTO does not have permanent judges. The WTO appointed an appellate panel of three judges that included a Mexican lawyer who has represented Mexico in trade cases.



Joel D. Joseph, general counsel of the Made in the USA Foundation, said, "The WTO does not have the right to interfere with domestic laws of the United States. When the U.S. joined the WTO, it agreed to do so only if the WTO could not overrule U.S. law. More than 90% of U.S. consumers favor the Country of Origin Labeling Act. This law does not discriminate against any country, it merely requires labeling. Consumers have a right to decide whether to buy U.S. or imported meat, and accurate labeling is a consumer right." Joseph added, "the WTO's appellate panel was unfairly biased against the United States and should not have allowed a Mexican lawyer, with an obvious conflict of interest, to sit on the panel."



This is the third major decision of a WTO court that attempts to overturn U.S. law...
The prior two cases involved "dolphin safe" labels on tuna and a U.S. ban on flavored cigarettes. Congress allows tuna to be labeled "dolphin safe" if it meets specific requirements. Mexico complained that this discriminates against Mexican tuna because Mexican tuna is not fished in a manner that protects dolphins.

Indonesia filed a complaint with the WTO charging that the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, that prohibits flavored cigarettes from being sold in the United States discriminates against Indonesia cigarettes.

Indonesia produces clove-flavored cigarettes and wants to sell them in the U.S. The WTO ruled that the U.S. ban on flavored cigarettes discriminated against Indonesia.

Be interesting to see what the US Courts will rule on this...Do we as a nation still have any sovereignty- or are we totally sold out to the new One World Order who can override any domestic laws we pass ... :???:
 
Oldtimer said:
Be interesting to see what the US Courts will rule on this...Do we as a nation still have any sovereignty- or are we totally sold out to the new One World Order who can override any domestic laws we pass ... :???:

It will depend on the judge... whether you get one who will interpret law or legislate from the bench. It seems somewhere there has been a breakdown in education concerning the separation of powers.
 
Perhaps they too will decide that the US should trade within the spirit of it's agreement.
Calling this a sovereignty makes me want to puke.
 
Mike said:
OT. What exactly is wrong with the WTO Appellate final decision on "COOL"?

If allowed to stand- it throws out a law requested by the citizenry of the nation to tell them the origin of the food they feed their families-- which was passed by the US Congress and signed into place by the US President of the United States (GW Bush)...

M-COOL was passed into law under Title X of the Farm Security and Rural Investment Act of 2002 (known as the 2002 Farm Bill). The United States Congress passed an expansion of the COOL requirements on 29 September 2008, to include more food items....

Should an International Trade Group be allowed to tell us what laws we can and cannot pass?... Should the UN be telling us what laws we can and cannot pass? No difference.....
 
From what I understand the "COOL Label" itself still stands. The so-called discriminatory practice comes from the handling of imported cattle. The panel said that the rules must be made less onerous so that packers won't have to go through all the extra hoops that make imported cattle less desired and more expensive to own.


In its analysis under Article 2.2 of the TBT Agreement, the Appellate Body found that the Panel properly identified the objective of the COOL measure as being "to provide consumer information on origin", and did not err in concluding that this is a "legitimate" objective. The Appellate Body found, however, that the Panel erred in its interpretation and application of Article 2.2. This was because the Panel appeared to have considered, incorrectly, that a measure could be consistent with Article 2.2 only if it fulfilled its objective completely or exceeded some minimum level of fulfilment, and to have ignored its own findings, which demonstrated that the COOL measure does contribute, at least to some extent, to achieving its objective. The Appellate Body therefore reversed the Panel's finding that the COOL measure is inconsistent with Article 2.2, but was unable to determine whether the COOL measure is more trade restrictive than necessary to fulfil a legitimate objective within the meaning of Article 2.2.
COOL laws were instated to provide Americans with more information about the food they eat, but a WTO dispute panel ruled last November that the laws violated international trade rules. This recent appellate ruling was a result of the U.S. challenge to the November ruling. With the appellate decision handed down against the U.S., COOL laws must now be modified to comply with the WTO's rules. The ruling stated that the laws are considered a "technical barrier to trade" and must be revised, although the panel did state that the U.S. is allowed to label where food comes from.
 
So Mike- apparently you figure when we pass a US law its plumb OK for international groups to come back and decide how we implement it- and what is or isn't included in the implementation?


What if the UN rules our US laws on weapons ownership does not meet international standards- and tells you what weapons/calibers you can own and when you can possess them? Or that the Supreme Courts ruling on the Second Amendment doesn't pass their International muster?

Personally I would like to leave our decisions regarding our laws to our US Court system and the Supreme Court...

Posted at 05:45 PM ET, 06/29/2012

TheWashingtonPost

WTO rules against U.S. country-of-origin label

By Tim Carman

Coming less than two months after its controversial decision on the "dolphin-safe" label, the World Trade Organization ruled today that the U.S. Department of Agriculture's mandatory country-of-origin label has a "detrimental impact on imported livestock." The ruling, public advocates fear, could lead to trade sanctions against the United States or a watering down of the labels designed to tell consumers where their meat comes from.

The ruling, says Lori Wallach, director of Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch, will essentially make it impossible for the United States to continue an effective, mandatory COOL label that "complies with all the constraints the WTO has set."

"What agribusiness, Mexico and Canada could not get in Congress or through U.S. courts, the WTO delivered: Either we're supposed to gut our consumer protection or pay millions for the right not to be fed mystery meat," Wallach e-mailed All We Can Eat this afternoon.

Canada initiated the dispute before the WTO in December 2008, arguing that the COOL program discriminates against imported cattle and hogs and violates some WTO obligations; Mexico later joined the complaint. Last year, a WTO panel ruled broadly against the COOL; the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative, which handles dispute cases before the WTO, appealed the ruling, which led to today's appellate tribunal decision:

[T]he Appellate Body agreed with the Panel that the COOL measure has a detrimental impact on imported livestock because its recordkeeping and verification requirements create an incentive for processors to use exclusively domestic livestock, and a disincentive against using like imported livestock. The Appellate Body found, however, that the Panel's analysis was incomplete because the Panel did not go on to consider whether this de facto detrimental impact stems exclusively from a legitimate regulatory distinction, in which case it would not violate Article 2.1. In its own analysis, the Appellate Body found that the COOL measure lacks even-handedness because its recordkeeping and verification requirements impose a disproportionate burden on upstream producers and processors of livestock as compared to the information conveyed to consumers through the mandatory labelling requirements for meat sold at the retail level. That is, although a large amount of information must be tracked and transmitted by upstream producers for purposes of providing consumers with information on origin, only a small amount of this information is actually communicated to consumers in an understandable or accurate manner, including because a considerable proportion of meat sold in the United States is not subject to the COOL measure's labelling requirements at all.

In a prepared statement, the United States Trade Representative Ron Kirk put a happy face on the WTO ruling, "which affirmed the United States' right to adopt labeling requirements that provide information to American consumers about the meat they buy."

"The Obama Administration remains committed to ensuring that information on the origin of all food products covered by COOL is available to American families so they can make informed purchasing decisions," Kirk continued in his statement.

But the statement also acknowledged that the appellate body found problems with COOL that "provides less favorable treatment to Canadian and Mexican cattle and hogs than American livestock."

The current COOL statute and regulations will remain in effect while the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative continues to review the appellate body's ruling. The office notes that it's too early to know what actions will be necessary to bring COOL into WTO compliance.

At least one group was angry with the WTO ruling today — but not because it might lead to a watered-down labeling program that leaves consumers in the dark about their meat. The National Cattlemen's Beef Association was upset because the government had wasted taxpayer dollars to defend a program that is a "clear WTO violation."

The NCBA has been against the COOL program since it was approved as part of the 2008 Farm Bill. The group's frustration could be clearly felt in its statement today:

"Instead of working diligently to bring the United States into WTO compliance, we wasted three months and taxpayer dollars on an appeal process. This did nothing more than jeopardize our strong trade relationship with Canada and Mexico, the two largest importers of U.S. beef. The Obama Administration prolonged an issue that could have been resolved quickly."
 
I know this concept is awful hard for you to accept, but I do sorta believe that we should honor our agreements as much as we can.

Changing a few minor regulations, that won't hurt our producers, to keep our COOL labels intact can be easily implemented.
 
Mike said:
I know this concept is awful hard for you to accept, but I do sorta believe that we should honor our agreements as much as we can.

Changing a few minor regulations, that won't hurt our producers, to keep our COOL labels intact can be easily implemented.

I wouldn't mind honoring the agreement- if I thought it was legal...But since it is an international treaty- and could never reach the 2/3 majority vote of Senators (would have needed 67-- Clinton could only get 61) needed to ratify an International treaty, I don't think we should be bound to it in perpetuity....

Actually the UN Treaty, that is dispised by so many, has more veracity as after it was signed by President Truman in 1945- it was ratified by an 89-2 vote of the Senate..
 
Friday, December 2, 1994 - Page updated at 12:00 AM

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Senate Approves GATT Accord -- Ambitious Attempt To Free Commerce Approved 76-24

Seattle Times News Services



WASHINGTON - After seven years of negotiations and a year of political debate, the Senate has given final congressional approval to U.S. participation in the biggest and most ambitious trade agreement in history.

Yesterday's bipartisan vote was 76-24. Forty-one Democrats and 35 Republicans voted yes, including both of Washington state's senators, Republican Slade Gorton and Democrat Patty Murray.

Passage of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade has been a centerpiece of President Clinton's economic program, and the second victory for the president on a crucial free-trade issue. Last year he won approval of the North American Free Trade Agreement.


Administration officials said GATT will open foreign markets to more goods and services produced in the United States, creating new jobs in the process.

Senate approval of the accord, which was endorsed by the House Tuesday and now goes to Clinton for his signature, brought to a close the tumultuous 103rd Congress. The president had called the lawmakers back for a rare, post-election session to vote on the agreement.

The trade accord will vastly expand the reach of GATT, created in 1947, beyond the traditional arena of manufacturing to cover agriculture and, to a lesser extent, financial services.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19941202&slug=1944846
The World Trade Organization, the critics say, would have too much authority to overturn existing U.S. laws protecting the environment and worker safety if it found that the regulations were used to unfairly keep foreign products out of the United States.

Under a plan worked out by Dole, a panel of U.S. appellate court judges could be asked to determine whether the international panel was ruling arbitrarily against the United States. If they found that the WTO was operating unfairly, Congress could vote to withdraw the United States.
 
NAFTA as a stand alone contract between nations never was ratified as a treaty... In order to get it thru Clinton again used his own method of definitions and decided this did not fall under the definition of "treaty".....


Is NAFTA Really Law Now,

Or is it Unconstitutional?

by Jack D. Forbes

President Bill Clinton is claiming victory in his efforts to have the North American Free Trade Agreement passed by the U.S. Congress. But in reality he has lost. How?

The U.S. Constitution absolutely requires that any treaty obtain a 2/3 affirmative vote in the U.S. Senate. That means that NAFTA had to get 67 votes. But NAFTA got only 61! So NAFTA is not law in spite of President Clinton's signature!

http://nas.ucdavis.edu/Forbes/nafta.html


Shortly after the passage of all these WTO's and NAFTA is when Ross Perot paraphrased the results of these treaties so well with his comment on the "giant sucking sound" of US jobs leaving the country... :(
 
I have no idea why you keep harping on NAFTA. :???:

The GATT Treaty was signed after NAFTA. The GATT Treaty was ratified all nice and legal and is the Treaty that the "Arbitration" of the current COOL law falls under.

So that makes twice Clinton sold your soul to the devil. Proud of him now?

open this link and see:


http://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds384_e.htm

See where it says "Agreements Cited: GATT 1994" ?

Either do some reading and learn a little or shut the hell up. :roll:

Again, the COOL dispute falls under the GATT Treaty of 1994. Not NAFTA.
 
Oldtimer said:
Groups sue to keep COOL on the books


Feedstuffs

9/5/2012



The Made in the USA Foundation led a coalition of groups filing suit against the World Trade Organization, the U.S. Trade Representative and the Secretary of Agriculture to keep the U.S. Country of Origin Labeling Act (COOL) in force. The WTO ruled this summer that COOL, which required meat from Mexico, Canada and other nations to be labeled as such, discriminated against imported beef.



The lawsuit was filed in the United States District Court in Denver, Colorado. The case seeks a court order declaring that the World Trade Organization does not have the authority to override U.S. law. The Country of Origin Labeling Act requires all meat, fish, chicken and produce to be labeled at the grocery store with an accurate country of origin.



Canada and Mexico challenged the U.S. law at the World Trade Organization, arguing that the law unfairly discriminates against imports from these two nations. The WTO does not have permanent judges. The WTO appointed an appellate panel of three judges that included a Mexican lawyer who has represented Mexico in trade cases.



Joel D. Joseph, general counsel of the Made in the USA Foundation, said, "The WTO does not have the right to interfere with domestic laws of the United States. When the U.S. joined the WTO, it agreed to do so only if the WTO could not overrule U.S. law. More than 90% of U.S. consumers favor the Country of Origin Labeling Act. This law does not discriminate against any country, it merely requires labeling. Consumers have a right to decide whether to buy U.S. or imported meat, and accurate labeling is a consumer right." Joseph added, "the WTO's appellate panel was unfairly biased against the United States and should not have allowed a Mexican lawyer, with an obvious conflict of interest, to sit on the panel."



This is the third major decision of a WTO court that attempts to overturn U.S. law...
The prior two cases involved "dolphin safe" labels on tuna and a U.S. ban on flavored cigarettes. Congress allows tuna to be labeled "dolphin safe" if it meets specific requirements. Mexico complained that this discriminates against Mexican tuna because Mexican tuna is not fished in a manner that protects dolphins.

Indonesia filed a complaint with the WTO charging that the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, that prohibits flavored cigarettes from being sold in the United States discriminates against Indonesia cigarettes.

Indonesia produces clove-flavored cigarettes and wants to sell them in the U.S. The WTO ruled that the U.S. ban on flavored cigarettes discriminated against Indonesia.

Be interesting to see what the US Courts will rule on this...Do we as a nation still have any sovereignty- or are we totally sold out to the new One World Order who can override any domestic laws we pass ... :???:

You can thank your hero, Bill Clinton.................................... :roll:
 
Mike said:
I have no idea why you keep harping on NAFTA. :???:

The GATT Treaty was signed after NAFTA. The GATT Treaty was ratified all nice and legal and is the Treaty that the "Arbitration" of the current COOL law falls under.

So that makes twice Clinton sold your soul to the devil. Proud of him now?

open this link and see:


http://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds384_e.htm

See where it says "Agreements Cited: GATT 1994" ?

Either do some reading and learn a little or shut the hell up. :roll:

Again, the COOL dispute falls under the GATT Treaty of 1994. Not NAFTA.
 
Mike said:
Oldtimer said:
Groups sue to keep COOL on the books


Feedstuffs

9/5/2012



The Made in the USA Foundation led a coalition of groups filing suit against the World Trade Organization, the U.S. Trade Representative and the Secretary of Agriculture to keep the U.S. Country of Origin Labeling Act (COOL) in force. The WTO ruled this summer that COOL, which required meat from Mexico, Canada and other nations to be labeled as such, discriminated against imported beef.



The lawsuit was filed in the United States District Court in Denver, Colorado. The case seeks a court order declaring that the World Trade Organization does not have the authority to override U.S. law. The Country of Origin Labeling Act requires all meat, fish, chicken and produce to be labeled at the grocery store with an accurate country of origin.



Canada and Mexico challenged the U.S. law at the World Trade Organization, arguing that the law unfairly discriminates against imports from these two nations. The WTO does not have permanent judges. The WTO appointed an appellate panel of three judges that included a Mexican lawyer who has represented Mexico in trade cases.



Joel D. Joseph, general counsel of the Made in the USA Foundation, said, "The WTO does not have the right to interfere with domestic laws of the United States. When the U.S. joined the WTO, it agreed to do so only if the WTO could not overrule U.S. law. More than 90% of U.S. consumers favor the Country of Origin Labeling Act. This law does not discriminate against any country, it merely requires labeling. Consumers have a right to decide whether to buy U.S. or imported meat, and accurate labeling is a consumer right." Joseph added, "the WTO's appellate panel was unfairly biased against the United States and should not have allowed a Mexican lawyer, with an obvious conflict of interest, to sit on the panel."



This is the third major decision of a WTO court that attempts to overturn U.S. law...
The prior two cases involved "dolphin safe" labels on tuna and a U.S. ban on flavored cigarettes. Congress allows tuna to be labeled "dolphin safe" if it meets specific requirements. Mexico complained that this discriminates against Mexican tuna because Mexican tuna is not fished in a manner that protects dolphins.

Indonesia filed a complaint with the WTO charging that the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, that prohibits flavored cigarettes from being sold in the United States discriminates against Indonesia cigarettes.

Indonesia produces clove-flavored cigarettes and wants to sell them in the U.S. The WTO ruled that the U.S. ban on flavored cigarettes discriminated against Indonesia.

Be interesting to see what the US Courts will rule on this...Do we as a nation still have any sovereignty- or are we totally sold out to the new One World Order who can override any domestic laws we pass ... :???:

You can thank your hero, Bill Clinton.................................... :roll:

Sorry Charlie--- Bill Clinton was no hero of mine... Up north of the Mason Dixson here we at least know what good looking women look like- rather than all those inbred toothers that chased old Arkansas Bill... :wink:

But I feel for you folk in some of those states that have no choice but the Bubba bloodlines ... :wink: :P :lol:
 
Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
Oldtimer said:
Be interesting to see what the US Courts will rule on this...Do we as a nation still have any sovereignty- or are we totally sold out to the new One World Order who can override any domestic laws we pass ... :???:

You can thank your hero, Bill Clinton.................................... :roll:

Sorry Charlie--- Bill Clinton was no hero of mine... Up north of the Mason Dixson here we at least know what good looking women look like- rather than all those inbred toothers that chased old Arkansas Bill... :wink:

But I feel for you folk in some of those states that have no choice but the Bubba bloodlines ... :wink: :P :lol:
But since you're trying to take it personal..................
At least they ain't got azzes 3 axe handles wide like you & some of yours. :lol:

I see you quit biatchin' about NAFTA. :roll:
 
OT,

Why are you still such a proponent of "M"COOL? "M"COOL is a joke for many reasons but mostly because the law as written is unenforceable. "M"COOL proponents didn't want traceback so there was no way to enforce the law. That's why we now have "CAN-MEX-USA" beef labels. The "CAN-MEX-USA" label was the only way to comply with this law as it was written in an enforceable manner.

Regardless, here's the other facts of "M"COOL you fail to remember. Since food services was exempted that only left a small sliver of beef being sold at the retail level that was actually foreign beef. What happens when you isolate a foreign product that is that rare? It becomes a novelty item. "M"COOL, even if it was enforceable, was not going to make any difference in the price of cattle due to the fact that 75% of foreign beef ends up in food services which was exempt from labeling.

You harp on "M"COOL like it was a good thing. "M"COOL, as written and implemented was a total joke due to the ignorance of the amount of foreign beef that would have been labeled as imported had it been enforceable. "SYMBOLISM OVER SUBSTANCE".

Consumers base most of their shopping decisions on price, not country of origin. If you don't believe that, spend some time in Walmart.

If the majority of consumers want to know where their beef comes from, they can buy branded beef products that trace beef not only to it's country of origin but to the ranch it originated. Most consumers don't care as long as the beef is safe, wholesome, and priced competitively to the value of poultry and pork.

30% of our population is hispanic, think they will shy from Mexican beef? If Canada source verifies their beef do you think American consumers will shy away from that? I'm surprised the Canadian cattlemen are not bigger supporters of "M"COOL. "M"COOL could make "MAPLE LEAF SOURCE VERIFIED BEEF" the product of choice for US Consumers. US consumers are far more loyal to value than country of origin.

Besides, if the beef checkoff only benefits the packer, as some believe, why would promoting US Beef through "M"COOL not benefit the packer in the same way?

OT, don't you R-CALFers ever get tired of chasing your tail with your contradicting views?


~SH~
 

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