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Made in Canada

Q, " if you read the comments of the Canadian PM - this is about identifying PRODUCT OF CANADA not what foreign country something comes from. Unlike the US program it is about identifying domestic produce and imported produce not segregation of produce by nation other than Canada. Acchording to what has been put out there so far nothing has been mentioned about identifying exactly which country a product comes from other than Canada."

That's not fair! You're creating "Product of Canada" and then everything else is just generic and thus implied to be inferior! That's an unfair trade barrier! I can hear the ads now, "Buy the Canadian label, not the other stuff where you have no idea where it came from". You have to treat everybody else the same and give them labels, too! Canadian product gets put on a pedestal, but everybody else is relegated to also-ran status! Talk about protectionist! You're just trying to break US producers with a label that does nothing to enhance safety or quality - simply because you hate us and never play by the rules! You're just anti-trade! You're afraid to trade on an even playing field, you have to have a special pretty label! Waaaaaah , Waaaaaah, Waaaaaaah!!!!

Now that you're on the other side, see how flipping stupid a person can get with the internationalist victim mentality?
 
Sure there have been calls before for stricter labeling laws, but they have not been acted on until now. Coincidence??? I don't think so. We didn't start this.

The bottom line is that you guys have decided that the rules need to change, so don't complain when they change going both ways.
 
Kato said:
Sure there have been calls before for stricter labeling laws, but they have not been acted on until now. Coincidence??? I don't think so. We didn't start this.

The bottom line is that you guys have decided that the rules need to change, so don't complain when they change going both ways.
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I don't think any of us is complaining about the proposed law, we're mostly laughing and shaking our heads at certain victims around here. We feel you have every right to label anything you want to - it's your country - you make the laws.
 
Sandhusker said:
Kato said:
Sure there have been calls before for stricter labeling laws, but they have not been acted on until now. Coincidence??? I don't think so. We didn't start this.

The bottom line is that you guys have decided that the rules need to change, so don't complain when they change going both ways.
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I don't think any of us is complaining about the proposed law, we're mostly laughing and shaking our heads at certain victims around here. We feel you have every right to label anything you want to - it's your country - you make the laws.
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I got a look at the discussion paper regaurding the proposed changes to labeling. Product of Canada will change from value of the product to content so when changed Product of Canada will be all or virtually all the product will be from Canada ie) a marinated steak with a sauce containing foreign ingredients is still Product of Canada. The next label proposed is Made in Canada this label will include Made in Canada from - domestic and imported ingredients, imported and domestic ingredients, imported ingredients. As well as the labels processed in Canada and packaged in Canada. No where is it stated that country of origin will appear on the label just imported. This will apply to all foods not just retail produce. So you can go to a restaurant and ask and they will know if they are using product of Canada. None of the exemptions like the COOL program has. None of that goofy labels like COOL is proposing including 5 countries in the supermarket. If it has more imported meat in as burger it is made in Canada so for it to be a product of Canada it must be all canadian beef. Simple and too the point looks like a good easy proposal for the consumer to understand.
As for sandh nobody has implied imported produce is inferior. Or do you think imported produce is inferior? This is a simple system - saying for example burger is from canadian beef(product of Canada), Canadian and imported beef or imported beef (made in Canada). It is simple Canadian content. How is that a trade barrier. Now the consumer has to be taught what the difference is between 'product of Canada' and "made in Canada".
 
Question writes: [The next label proposed is Made in Canada this label will include Made in Canada from - domestic and imported ingredients, imported and domestic ingredients, imported ingredients. As well as the labels processed in Canada and packaged in Canada. No where is it stated that country of origin will appear on the label just imported.]

And you think this is a good thing for your consumers? What if Cool was changed the same way? Would you like all your products thrown in with products of China with nothing to differentiate. You seem to be happy playing Russian roulette with your food!
I prefer to know the country of origin myself. As an example, I would trust seafood from Canada a hell of a lot more than the stuff grown in sewage in Vietnam or China. If that's what makes you people happy, go for it! As Sandhusker stated, "it's your country - you make the laws".
Just don't try to tell me they are superior! :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
You don't get it, Q, I DON'T think it is a trade barrier. I actually think it is a good idea. Same as COOL. I was just trying to show you how utterly rediculous this "trade barrier" crap has become around here. If a person is trying to interpret something to be a trade barrier, I can make a case stronger than yours. COOL treats everything equal - Canada's elevates domestic. However, both the arguements of COOL and Canada's proposal being trade barriers holds no water - it's just a bunch of ignorant whining by wanna-be victims, it's just that my whining is tongue-in-cheek.

Canada should do all they can to promote Canadian product and the US should do the same with US product- it's in the best interests of the welfare of both countries and it's just common sense to help your own - and if other countries don't like it, they can hang it.
 
Sandhusker said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
TRADE BARRIER!!!! :roll:
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Well sandy when it comes to Beef we are not asking for anything we aren't already doing. We ID our cattle.

DO YOU?
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Yep. Every one of them has a tag that denotes it's mother and year of birth and they all get a permanent hot iron brand.
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Sandhusker said:
Ear tags and brands are not forms of ID? It'll damn sure get 'em home around here.
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Was the YOU in question directed to you personally? :roll:
 
Silver said:
Sandhusker said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Well sandy when it comes to Beef we are not asking for anything we aren't already doing. We ID our cattle.

DO YOU?
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Yep. Every one of them has a tag that denotes it's mother and year of birth and they all get a permanent hot iron brand.
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Sandhusker are you telling us ALL US cattle are identified as US cattle?

The difference is in Canada we ID our product.
 
Anybody can go through any herd, any feedlot, any packer's pen in this country and tell what country any animal is from in this country. Now, what is the problem?
 
I thought the topic of this post was "Made in Canada". There are already hundreds of posts with your opinions on ID's. Pick one, as I have heard them all shoved into most every topic on this forum. That way I could skip the same old $hit!

This article talks about consultations. It is an interesting topic. Why crap on it with those childish neener-neener posts! What are some of the ideas you would give your politicians on labeling if you were consulted ? Question & Mrs. Greg, thanks for sharing your thoughts and information. One doesn't have to agree with an opinion to learn something from it. I have always had more questions than answers!
 
I'm kind of at a loss at the kerfuffle any of the "Country Of" lableing is making. Personally I want to know where our food is coming from.Pretty sure I'd rather have Canadian AND US labled food over just about any other country. It sure would be nice to have that choice with labled foods
 
fedup2 said:
Rod:"It violates the "what constitutes a US product" clause of NAFTA, Sandhusker. The new COOL laws attempt to change what was already laid out in the NAFTA agreement years ago."

"I'd be inclined to agree, EXCEPT for the fact your country signed an agreement with my country, and in this agreement, your country agreed to a certain set of rules that dictated "Product of" labels. Your country is now attempting to violate that agreement, which makes it my business. Your country has violated the agreement several times in the past, and its time your country was held accountable for the agreements its made. Doesn't it trouble you in the least that your country's word isn't worth the paper its wrote on?"

"If food safety really is well and truly your concern, start tracking your beef from consumer freezer right back to origin. Japan does it. That genuine food safety, not this trade barrier in disguise called COOL. "

" And the reason for that is protectionist groups and the media have managed to BS the consumer into believing that origin is significant. What happens that first time that
Origin labelling is a waste of time, effort, and energy, all so a few protectionist groups can have their time in the sun."

"I think whats going to happen is that it is going to cost more, due to segregation, and the consumer is going to be overloaded with nonsense labels to the point where they'll just simply ignore all labels, like they do now with virtually all consumer goods."
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I haven't been around much as I've been pretending to be a grain farmer for the last 3 weeks.

Anyway, I think the idea of this sort of COOL in Canada is just as rediculous as it is in the US and will be letting my MP know that his party is simply wasting my taxpayer money and raising the costs of food, just for a poorly disguised trade barrier.

So no, RobertMac, I don't have any crow to eat. I'm not a hypocrite. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander and COOL under its incarnation thats being pushed by both governments is just a plain dumb idea.

Rod

On a side note, I think I shoulda been a grain farmer. Air conditioning that works, GPS guidance, meals and coffee delivered, big comfy cabs, cushy seats, FM radio and a spot for an IPod. More comfortable than my own home for crying out loud :)
 
When that tractor was purchased or rented, someone had the opportunity to make a choice. It was going to be green, red, yellow, etc. based on price, availability, dependability, dealer service, etc. Someone also picked the options.
That is what it is all about. The ability to choose! Not to have some multi-national make the choice for you. Should all tractors be black & white because choosing a John Deere over another brand would be a trade barrier? Ridiculous!

Every item of clothing that I have on is labeled with the country of origin. Is that a trade barrier? BS! I have the ability to make a choice of most everything I buy. Why is meat supposed to be an exception? Because packers would lose the ability to make that choice for me based on their bottom line. That is all! Plain and simple! To single out beef, pork, etc. & call it a trade barrier is BS by any stretch of the imagination! Give your friends and neighbors a chance to support your product Rod. Label it so they know what the hell they are buying, just like everything else in that store!
 
Fedup, "Why is meat supposed to be an exception? Because packers would lose the ability to make that choice for me based on their bottom line. That is all! Plain and simple!"

Well said. That is why they're fighting COOL so hard - it loosens their grip on the beef industry. These are the very same guys who squeeze every nickel they can from producers, who deny them real market information, cheat them with open-ended contracts that they can manipulate and they're the same people who have been playing US and Canada producers against themselves for years. Why producers would be against taking any power away from them completely baffles me.
 
What I've been trying to get at all this time is that the American form of COOL only discriminates against one item unfairly, and that is livestock born out of country. And according to news reports out of Montana lately, this was the intention of it. :?

What requiring all these extra demands on imported livestock fed and processed in the U.S. does is add to costs, and give yet another advantage to that cheap South American beef you guys are so worried about, because does not change the price of SA beef, while driving up costs for a sector of the American beef industry that uses Canadian animals now.

Go ahead and require labels on processed beef or pork from Canada. We're proud of our product. 8) Labeling products processed fully in Canada or anywhere else will cost not one cent more than it does now, just as the Canadian version won't cost you more, so it is trade neutral. Almost all American beef imported to this country is already processed, so you will not have any extra costs added. There are very few feeder cattle coming to this country from yours. It's just not economical to feed them here.

Fedup, "Why is meat supposed to be an exception? Because packers would lose the ability to make that choice for me based on their bottom line. That is all! Plain and simple!"
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Because there is a disagreement over why the birthplace of an animal substantially changes which country it is a product of. When does it become a product of U.S.? According to current rules, it becomes American when it goes through a substantial change into another product, which is what happens in a packing plant.

Why should a calf that spent five months with it's mother in Canada and then lived in the U.S., ate U.S. feed, and was processed in a U.S. plant be called a Canadian calf? Why would we want our name on a product that could be years removed from our country? We don't know what is happening to these animals after they leave Canada.

Think about this for a minute.

Say an American sends some dairy cows to a country with an identical form of MCOOL. After five years, when those cows are all worn out, and some dufus decides that it's OK to kill a sick downer cow and feed it to school kids, do you want that label to say Product of U.S.?? :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
 
Kato, "What I've been trying to get at all this time is that the American form of COOL only discriminates against one item unfairly, and that is livestock born out of country. And according to news reports out of Montana lately, this was the intention of it."

How does it discriminate against one item when product from every country has to be labeled? Nobody gets "off the hook".

Kato, "What requiring all these extra demands on imported livestock fed and processed in the U.S. does is add to costs, and give yet another advantage to that cheap South American beef you guys are so worried about, because does not change the price of SA beef, while driving up costs for a sector of the American beef industry that uses Canadian animals now. "

What costs are added? Just give us a rough itemization.
 

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