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Mike,

Who do you really think you are kidding here? Creekstone admitted the tests they planned to use would not reveal prions in cattle under 24 months of age. They admitted that when they stated that "BSE TESTED DOES NOT MEAN BSE FREE".

Does that sound like 100% reliability to you?

Don't talk about what Creekstone COULD HAVE USED, talk about what they PLANNED TO USE.

I told you that I would have had no problems with Creekstone bse testing for the Japanese markets if the tests they had planned to use would reveal prions in cattle under 24 months of age.

You sound like another of these "fast buck artist" bse test salesman.

If I offended you, good! LOL!


~SH~
 
Mike,

Who do you really think you are kidding here? Creekstone admitted the tests they planned to use would not reveal prions in cattle under 24 months of age. They admitted this when they stated that "BSE TESTED DOES NOT MEAN BSE FREE".

Does that sound like 100% reliability to you?

Don't talk about what Creekstone COULD HAVE USED, talk about what they PLANNED TO USE.

I told you that I would have had no problems with Creekstone bse testing for the Japanese markets if the tests they had planned to use would reveal prions in cattle under 24 months of age and would meet USDA approval.

You sound like another of these "fast buck artist" bse test salesman.

If I offended you, good! LOL!


PPRM,

I don't see where my responses to you have ever been less than civil. I respond accordingly. If someone is lying and deceiving, they deserve suitable treatment. If someone like you presents an honest opinion, you will be treated with respect and I believe I have treated you with respect.


~SH~
 
Hmmmm SH,

Sorry I took your disagreements the wrong way....

If I understand the disagreements, I say if someone asks for a product tested in a certain way, then my responsibility is to provide it in this manner if I deem it feasable and acceptable. I read your posts as saying I am a snake oil salesman if I don't fully research it and tell them if they are right or wrong....

That is how I understood the posts, but maybe I read more into it than was there,


PPRM
 
SH, "Who do you really think you are kidding here? Creekstone admitted the tests they planned to use would not reveal prions in cattle under 24 months of age. They admitted that when they stated that "BSE TESTED DOES NOT MEAN BSE FREE". "

Then where is the deception?
 
Sandbag: "Then where is the deception?"
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You sure like to go around in circles don't you?

Fielding didn't tell the Japanese consumers that "BSE TESTED DOES NOT MEAN BSE FREE", he only stated this to the media when cornered on the legitimacy of the test that Creekstone planned to use.

Did Creekstone plan to label their beef "BSE TESTED BUT NOT GUARANTEED BSE FREE"?????

If not, then the deception was in creating an illusion of safety.

Leave it to you to support deception and creating illusions. Typical of the person you are.

This is such a stupid argument anyway because, until recently, Japan was already taking UNTESTED BEEF from the U.S. and none of you ever offered a stitch of proof to suggest that the Japanese government would have even allowed BSE tested beef from the U.S.

But you have to bench about something to continue in your R-CALF tradition.




~SH~
 
~SH~ said:
Sandbag: "Then where is the deception?"
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You sure like to go around in circles don't you?

Fielding didn't tell the Japanese consumers that "BSE TESTED DOES NOT MEAN BSE FREE", he only stated this to the media when cornered on the legitimacy of the test that Creekstone planned to use.

Did Creekstone plan to label their beef "BSE TESTED BUT NOT GUARANTEED BSE FREE"?????

If not, then the deception was in creating an illusion of safety.

Leave it to you to support deception and creating illusions. Typical of the person you are.

This is such a stupid argument anyway because, until recently, Japan was already taking UNTESTED BEEF from the U.S. and none of you ever offered a stitch of proof to suggest that the Japanese government would have even allowed BSE tested beef from the U.S.

But you have to bench about something to continue in your R-CALF tradition.




~SH~
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SH, by your same silly reasoning shouldn't the USDA say "USDA Inspected, But Not Necessarily US Meat"?
 
SH -
Fielding didn't tell the Japanese consumers that "BSE TESTED DOES NOT MEAN BSE FREE", he only stated this to the media when cornered on the legitimacy of the test that Creekstone planned to use.

Did Creekstone plan to label their beef "BSE TESTED BUT NOT GUARANTEED BSE FREE"?????
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Anything to support the packer mentality hey SH. How stupid do you think that the Japanese people are? Do you think that a language barrier creates a comprehesion barrier? ONLY in the world of the righteous does comprehension become a problem.

Think about it Scott. Japan has had BSE a lot longer than the US or Canada. AND they test all of their beef under their standards. Do you think they are so stupid that they would have taken the Creekstone product without knowing exactly what they were getting? Good gracious man. You will argue the stupidest things just to DEFEND THE MUTINATIONAL PACKERS.

And talk about supporting deception. The USDA has been the King of deception and the Queen during this BSE debacle, yet Scott Huber will support them til the end. :lol:

Does survailance mean that every animal harvested in the USA IS FREE OF BSE? Do you know for a fact the BSE can not be detected in animals under 20 months of age?

Give us a break with your holier than now USDA multinational packer crap SH. You are the one supporting deception in the marketplace, along with Ms. MRJ, and likely most NCBA/CCA supporters.

If puppets like yourselves could ever look beyond the end of your brown noses and see where the money flows, this forum would be ------- well I guess it would be boring without you. :wink:

Now watch as Scotty boy beams me into the Rcalf camp once again. :lol:
 
SH, "Did Creekstone plan to label their beef "BSE TESTED BUT NOT GUARANTEED BSE FREE"????? "

That was never brought up, that I know of. I doubt Creekstone would of cared. However, I doubt the beef would have a Creekstone label when it hit the shelves in Japan - it would probably have the label of the company who imported it or the label of the retailer.

What makes you think the Japanese don't know what tested means? You've got that opinion, what formed it?
 
Sandhusker said:
SH, "Did Creekstone plan to label their beef "BSE TESTED BUT NOT GUARANTEED BSE FREE"????? "

That was never brought up, that I know of. I doubt Creekstone would of cared. However, I doubt the beef would have a Creekstone label when it hit the shelves in Japan - it would probably have the label of the company who imported it or the label of the retailer.

What makes you think the Japanese don't know what tested means? You've got that opinion, what formed it?
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Sandhusker, do you mean like when you say US consumers automatically believe that "USDA Inspected" and "USDA Choice" means "Product of USA"? If that is true, then why would it not also be true that Japanese consumers would interpret "BSE Inspected" as meaning "BSE Free"?

MRJ
 
MRJ said:
Sandhusker said:
SH, "Did Creekstone plan to label their beef "BSE TESTED BUT NOT GUARANTEED BSE FREE"????? "

That was never brought up, that I know of. I doubt Creekstone would of cared. However, I doubt the beef would have a Creekstone label when it hit the shelves in Japan - it would probably have the label of the company who imported it or the label of the retailer.

What makes you think the Japanese don't know what tested means? You've got that opinion, what formed it?
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Sandhusker, do you mean like when you say US consumers automatically believe that "USDA Inspected" and "USDA Choice" means "Product of USA"? If that is true, then why would it not also be true that Japanese consumers would interpret "BSE Inspected" as meaning "BSE Free"?

MRJ
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You're making a heck of a stretch there, MRJ. First of all, I don't think anybody can sucessfully argue that US consumers actually know what that USDA stamp really means. I'd love to set up shop in a supermarket and poll consumers on what they think that stamp means with $10 going in my pocket if they are incorrect and $10 out of my pocket if the are correct. Would you like to to meet me in Rapid sometime and do just that?

Secondly, any statement SH, you, or I make on what the Japanese consumer knows or doesn't know about BSE is purely speculation. We don't know for sure, none of us. However, as BSE has made more headlines there due to the government cover-up, the subseqent 20 something cases, their tougher consumer laws, etc.... I'd say they probably know more than US consumers do.
 

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