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McDonald's cuts Angus burgersfrom menu

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scout said:
Denny said:
scout said:
I understand a CAB steak not hamburger don't care what they call it for all I care they can call it the best of the best or the the royal steak. as long as all cattle that meet the grade qualify not the dam color of its hide . I try to raise the highest quality animals I can. no there not all angus some are better than others that's a fact I will take the premium on the good ones and the dock on the poor ones not all of them are winners. but how in the hell can hamburger be classified CAB if its to lean add fat if its to fat add lean . Mcdonalds is great customer of the beef producer and I don't blame them for discontinuing the angus burger they pay some people a lot of money to watch the profit magrins



It's a (BLACK) Angus promoted product with over 30 years behind it why in the hell should they accept anything they don't want. Hereford has CHB a good product I'm sure. Mc Donalds was selling Angus burgers red or black I'm sure not CAB burgers there is a differance in products.

People were'nt buying them because most of america is broke and they were eating more from the Dollar menu hence the decision to focus more attention in that direction. If I'm going to spend $8 to $10 on a fast food meal I'll go to a sit down restaurant other wise a couple $1 burgers and a $1 fry is what I buy.I drink alot of cola and that I buy at Walmart 2 litre bottle for 84cents I'm broke like the rest of america to many payments on land and machinery to spend wild everywhere.
I have no problem with the CAB program feel it is a great program . I believe a guy ought to get paid for if he raises a superior beef. If you have the pay for the CAB tags that's great what I don't like is every black hided calf that might not have any angus in it that meets the requirements to pass isn't fair to the guy who does it right.I agree the other breed assoc need to quit riding on the coat tales of the angus assoc. I run angus cows and find them hard to beat on the maternal side. Its just my opinion.sometimes I think the consumer is the one that gets the short end of the stick . all

Certified Angus Beef is consistently good. The name resonates with the consumers, and they realize they are buying a superior product. Therefore they are willing to pay a premium to purchase something that is almost guaranteed to be good. With this in mind, they are happy customers and in no way think they are "getting the short end of the stick."
 
I agree the other breed assoc need to quit riding on the coat tales of the angus assoc.

The Angus Assoc made the rules & regs that stated NO GENETIC correlation between Angus & CAB.

In fact, the USDA asked for genetic proof and the AA would not have it. How are the other breeds riding coat tails? Could it be the other way around?
A new proprietary test to confirm the authenticity of Aberdeen-Angus beef at retail level is being introduced by the Aberdeen-Angus Cattle Society in conjunction with leading international company for bio-analytical testing services, Eurofins Scientific.

Tests on samples of beef from pure-bred Aberdeen-Angus and 50% Aberdeen-Angus (A-A sired), and from other breeds, based on a technology developed by Eurofins | Medigenomix, have proved 100% accurate and the testing procedure is now ready to be rolled out commercially in the UK.

The Society believes the availability of the new test will enhance consumer confidence in the Aberdeen-Angus brand and help stamp out the abuse of the Aberdeen-Angus name.

"Initial market research would indicate a significant commercial opportunity for such a test," the Society's chief executive, Ron McHattie, told a pre-Highland Show press conference today (Wednesday) in Edinburgh.

"The main use will allow retailers to routinely check product authenticity to ensure consumer rights are protected. It is the Society's long-held belief that the integrity of the Aberdeen-Angus brand should not be compromised and the realisation of this test is a powerful tool in the armoury to combat abuse."

Angus: All it's cut out to be?
By Elizabeth Weise, USA TODAY
Geneticists are unlocking the secrets of the grocery story, and what they're finding is surprising.
First it was the fish counter, where researchers recently discovered that as much as 77% of all fish sold as red snapper actually wasn't red snapper.

Now it's the meat counter.

Scientists at a Texas company creating genetic tests for individual cattle breeds tested 560 cuts of beef sold as certified Angus and found that between 8% and 50% of the cuts weren't genetically at least 50% Angus.

The Angus breed is considered particularly tasty because its meat is well marbled with fat. Producers have been capitalizing on the Angus name since the 1970s.

Viagen, of Austin, tested beef purchased in Texas, Nebraska, Kansas and Illinois in 2003 and 2004. Four different Angus-branded beef labels were tested. Using two separate tests, the company looked for more than 50% Angus lineage and less than 25% Brahman, a breed associated with increased toughness.

The four brands varied widely in the percentage of samples that fit the Angus profile: 92%, 83%, 71% and 50%. When Viagen tested a non-Angus-branded beef label as a control, they found that 47% of those samples fit the Angus profile.

The findings aren't surprising, says Davey Griffin, a meat specialist at Texas A&M University, because certified Angus beef programs are actually based on hide color, not genetics.

In fact, of more than 30 Angus beef certification programs verified by USDA, only four require actual genetic confirmation. The rest, mostly older programs, are based on visual identification and require only that the animal's hide be 51% black. That's primarily because in the past hide color was the most reliable indicator of breed.

"They don't have to show or prove any Angus background," Griffin says.

The criteria used for the Certified Angus Beef brand, one of the oldest Angus certifications, are focused on quality issues, says a spokesman for the company that oversees the program. They include marbling, degree of muscling relative to fat, and age rather than genetics, says Brent Eichar of Certified Angus Beef LLC.

"We're a breed-influenced program," Eichar says. "We talk about the Angus influence, but we nowhere make claims of it as a pure breed."

But, Eichar says, it's the criteria that determine "what's a good eating experience, whether it's 98% or 56% or 46% Angus."

Griffin agrees that such criteria give the brand its value. But eventually, as tests such as the Viagen one become more common, the actual genetics of an animal may correspond better with the breed listed on the package, he says.
 
Silver said:
I agree the other breed assoc need to quit riding on the coat tales of the angus assoc.

Just who is riding who's coat tails? :wink:

Like it or not, good or bad, the outcome so far has proven to be "no contest". :wink:

Take all the black, purebred Simmys, Limmys, Gelbviehs, Maines, Salers and Chianinas. Hang them on a rail and anaylze the marbling against the straight Angus. If there is no Angus in the package there will be a scarcity of black, straight Continentals that hit premium choice. The butcher's breed. :D
 
If "Marbling" were the deciding factor, the Wagyu breed would be the most popular by far.

Wagyu Cattle Cross Experiment

By John Brethour, Beef Cattle Scientist of Western Kansas Agricultural Research Centers

In this experiment, a Wagyu bull was crossed with Charolais cows in an effort to provide a quality, lean carcass.
"The experiment involved steers produced from crossing Wagyu bulls and Charolais cows. They are part of a research goal to improve management strategies for production of high quality beef. Specifically these cattle were acquired to track the development of marbling as a function of time on feed in order to improve prediction models based on ultrasound estimates of marbling.

Wagyu is a high marbling breed from Japan. The cross with Charolais considered that a high marbling but lean carcass might be the result. That in fact occurred. The steers were harvested December 29, 1999. The 17 sold at that time graded 88% Prime (15/17) and the other two were average and high Choice. They were 47 percent Yield Grade 1, and also 47 percent Yield Grade 2 while one steer was a Yield Grade 3. Back-fat averaged only .30 inch. This might very well be the best carcass results on a group of cattle in the history of grading cattle in this country."
 
Yes, the Great Marbling Myth. Good for the Angus folks for managing to hoodwink the masses into believing it.
 
While we are not 'married' to any one breed, opting instead for productivity AND quality of the beef, the CAB brand looks like a good thing for the cow business, tho with similar attention to details which produce a superior eating experience, other breeds can and will do well, too.

BTW, were we even allowed to bring Wagu cattle or semen in this country back when CAB started out?

Hasn't that been a problem with bringing those genetics into the USA, at least until very recently?

mrj
 
mrj said:
While we are not 'married' to any one breed, opting instead for productivity AND quality of the beef, the CAB brand looks like a good thing for the cow business, tho with similar attention to details which produce a superior eating experience, other breeds can and will do well, too.

BTW, were we even allowed to bring Wagu cattle or semen in this country back when CAB started out?

Hasn't that been a problem with bringing those genetics into the USA, at least until very recently?

mrj

WAGYU Breed History in USA
Wagyu cattle were first imported in 1975 when two black and two red bulls were imported by Morris Whitney. In 1989 the Japanese began to reduce their tariffs on imported beef and that encouraged U.S. producers to produce a high quality product for Japan. In the 1990's there were several importations of quality Wagyu. Most were black, but a few were Red Wagyu. These cattle have the greatest influence on the U.S. herd and those in many other countries.
Most US production was exported to Japan until 2003 when BSE was discovered and Japan and other countries stopped the import of beef for the U.S. However, chefs and others in the U.S. were aware of the superior eating quality of Wagyu and the domestic market then and now utilize much of the U.S. production.
 
Mike said:
If "Marbling" were the deciding factor, the Wagyu breed would be the most popular by far.

Wagyu Cattle Cross Experiment

By John Brethour, Beef Cattle Scientist of Western Kansas Agricultural Research Centers

In this experiment, a Wagyu bull was crossed with Charolais cows in an effort to provide a quality, lean carcass.
"The experiment involved steers produced from crossing Wagyu bulls and Charolais cows. They are part of a research goal to improve management strategies for production of high quality beef. Specifically these cattle were acquired to track the development of marbling as a function of time on feed in order to improve prediction models based on ultrasound estimates of marbling.

Wagyu is a high marbling breed from Japan. The cross with Charolais considered that a high marbling but lean carcass might be the result. That in fact occurred. The steers were harvested December 29, 1999. The 17 sold at that time graded 88% Prime (15/17) and the other two were average and high Choice. They were 47 percent Yield Grade 1, and also 47 percent Yield Grade 2 while one steer was a Yield Grade 3. Back-fat averaged only .30 inch. This might very well be the best carcass results on a group of cattle in the history of grading cattle in this country."

I think we were tackling the topic of whether or not the Angus breed can live up to it's own claims of superior eating experience. That's the issue that I addressed anyway. Angus is the best combination of marbling in a "real world cow" package. Wagyu have more marbling but don't make much sense from a production standpoint. Wagyus aren't known for production efficiency. If marbling were the ONLY deciding factor then I think the decision maker needs to consider retooling the production plan. :) Enjoyed the banter, Mike.
 
I'm not so sure. Easy calving (calves average 65 lbs.) plus equal? feed efficiency might make them as productive.


Feedlot Performance.Feedlot performance for 2-yr-old
heifers and heifer calves is presented in Table 2. Two year-old Angus heifers were an average 23 d younger
(P ≤ 0.01) than Wagyu heifers at the initiation of the
finishing phase. Angus 2-yr-olds weighed more initially
(P ≤ 0.01) and gained 0.18 kg/d faster throughout the
finishing period (P ≤ 0.01) than Wagyu heifers. Lunt et
al. (1993) reported a similar difference in ADG between
purebred Angus and ³⁄₄ Wagyu steers fed a corn/barley
diet for 552 d. As a result of faster ADG and heavier
initial BW, Angus heifers weighed an average of 60
kg more (P ≤ 0.01) than Wagyu heifers at the trial's
termination. Two-year-old Wagyu heifers consumed
less (P ≤ 0.01) DM on a daily basis than their Angus
counterparts. As a result of slower ADG, but lower DMI,
Wagyu heifers were more efficient (P ≤ 0.01) than their
Angus contemporaries
. Wagyu 2-yr-olds were slaughtered with less (P ≤ 0.01) 12th-rib fat thickness than
Angus heifers.
 
I actually do agree that CAB is definitely always a great eating experience. Really the main point I'd like to make is that Angus cattle are not the only cattle that can and do make this grade. When I posed the question "who is riding on who's coat tails?" I think is legitimate. If CAB is sourcing beef from outside the Angus breed then the point could be made that they are in fact (at least partially) riding on the coat tails of other breeds. I realize this is a two way street, but many don't.
The argument could also be made that raising cattle with this much fat cover creates a market for importation of lean cattle to mix the trimmings with.
All that being said, the CAB programme has been positive for the beef industry in general, and I'm glad it's out there. Good on the Angus folks for developing such a thing!
 
I LOVE the CAB program. My 'Horns qualify for their premiums most of the time. :lol: :lol:
 
Mike said:
If "Marbling" were the deciding factor, the Wagyu breed would be the most popular by far.

Wagyu Cattle Cross Experiment

By John Brethour, Beef Cattle Scientist of Western Kansas Agricultural Research Centers

In this experiment, a Wagyu bull was crossed with Charolais cows in an effort to provide a quality, lean carcass.
"The experiment involved steers produced from crossing Wagyu bulls and Charolais cows. They are part of a research goal to improve management strategies for production of high quality beef. Specifically these cattle were acquired to track the development of marbling as a function of time on feed in order to improve prediction models based on ultrasound estimates of marbling.

Wagyu is a high marbling breed from Japan. The cross with Charolais considered that a high marbling but lean carcass might be the result. That in fact occurred. The steers were harvested December 29, 1999. The 17 sold at that time graded 88% Prime (15/17) and the other two were average and high Choice. They were 47 percent Yield Grade 1, and also 47 percent Yield Grade 2 while one steer was a Yield Grade 3. Back-fat averaged only .30 inch. This might very well be the best carcass results on a group of cattle in the history of grading cattle in this country."
or Holstien. the Japanese would rather have a half blood holstien wagyu a full blood holstien over a wagyu angus cross . were those cattle black? :wink:
 
Silver said:
I actually do agree that CAB is definitely always a great eating experience. Really the main point I'd like to make is that Angus cattle are not the only cattle that can and do make this grade. When I posed the question "who is riding on who's coat tails?" I think is legitimate. If CAB is sourcing beef from outside the Angus breed then the point could be made that they are in fact (at least partially) riding on the coat tails of other breeds. I realize this is a two way street, but many don't.
The argument could also be made that raising cattle with this much fat cover creates a market for importation of lean cattle to mix the trimmings with.
All that being said, the CAB programme has been positive for the beef industry in general, and I'm glad it's out there. Good on the Angus folks for developing such a thing!

You said it all Silver. It's just one fantastic marketing scheme. The whole thing is very clear right on the label. Certified Angus Beef BRAND. "Brand" is the key word. The difference between a McD's regular hamburger patty and a CAB patty is very slight. Certainln not enough to pay a premium for.
 
High Plains said:
James, I'm thinking that CAB wasn't built on the hamburger. Just a guess. :wink:

:lol2: :nod: I wouldn't attempt to argue against your point! But, the same holds for CAB steaks as well. Don't get me wrong, good stuff but not really any better than many others at the meat market in terms of flavor and tenderness. They have an excellent marketing program and I have taken advantage of it myself.
 
Wow! :roll: A bunch of ranchers who supposedly RAISE BEEF bashing a program that has been a GIANT success in marketing, oh i dont know.......BEEF! Lets talk about chicken some more. :roll: CAB rings a bell with folks looking to buy meat. Wether you agree with the parameters of what makes up CAB, atleast be bright enough to see it has benefited our industry. :shock: 95% of this country is 3 generation removed from agriculture and has almost no clue about what makes a great steak. CAB has taught some of those folks a few things and they in turn, buy beef. And have for years! HOW IN THE HELL ISNT THAT A GOOD THING FOR RANCHERS RAISING BEEF??? :???: :roll: That Waygu craze is really taking off! :roll: NOT! CAB has put our product in front of folks at home and at burger joints and fine steak houses. But because the meat isnt registered Angus, some of ya'll get all spun up. :? Take your own money and start up an alternative like certified jersey or certified groundhog. But stop cutting off your nose to spite your face! :roll:
 

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