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Maple Leaf Angus said:
IL Rancher said:
Yes.. They would come 85 miles.. Or more, or deliver it if the price is rigt. Spent the day on Tuesday running Pork and beef into Chicago land but have had people come out to the farm for it.. 100 miles, give or take depending on location.. Better than cool for them, it is Farm/ranch of Origin and being able to look the producer in the eye and shake their hand. For some this is worth dollars per pound on product (For example, our fat hogs bring close to 2 bucks a pound live weight).
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Il., you nailed it. It is this mindset that will prosper in any trading scenario. You, Randy, question, Robertmac, PPRM, BenRoberts, to name a few on here, can live with or without COOL.

Those who 9!$$ and moan about competition and want to erect trade barriers in an effort to protect their shaky or bloated enterprises will inexorably slide into self-dissolving, lazy mediocrity regardless of how much protection they get from the realities of theworld around them!
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What about the folks in cattlle country who live 300 miles from any town with 6 digit population and have 500 head? You guys with little operations close to population centers can pull that off, but that won't fly for most guys in Nebraska, the Dakotas, Montana, Wyoming, etc....
 
All I will add is that if you do it, direct marketing that is, be prepared to have scheduales blown to heck, be forced to answer some of the oddest questions with a straight face and no laughing and meet some of the kookiest people in the world. Also be prepared to make some friends, learn a bit and have a good time.. Or, be like me and have a sleepless night or two waiting to hear back that they loved the beef or Pork or lamb or whatever it is we are doing at the moment... Yes, sometimes the questions they ask or statements they make will leave you shaking your head but most are pretty intelligent folks that you can talk too and have both parties learn from each other.. Oh, and for us producers who are feeling the pinch of suburban encrougment or urban encrougment for that matter, this situation can be a great thing... Eat local movements are opening up all over the place..
 
Sandhusker said:
Maple Leaf Angus said:
IL Rancher said:
Yes.. They would come 85 miles.. Or more, or deliver it if the price is rigt. Spent the day on Tuesday running Pork and beef into Chicago land but have had people come out to the farm for it.. 100 miles, give or take depending on location.. Better than cool for them, it is Farm/ranch of Origin and being able to look the producer in the eye and shake their hand. For some this is worth dollars per pound on product (For example, our fat hogs bring close to 2 bucks a pound live weight).
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:agree: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Il., you nailed it. It is this mindset that will prosper in any trading scenario. You, Randy, question, Robertmac, PPRM, BenRoberts, to name a few on here, can live with or without COOL.

Those who 9!$$ and moan about competition and want to erect trade barriers in an effort to protect their shaky or bloated enterprises will inexorably slide into self-dissolving, lazy mediocrity regardless of how much protection they get from the realities of theworld around them!
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What about the folks in cattlle country who live 300 miles from any town with 6 digit population and have 500 head? You guys with little operations close to population centers can pull that off, but that won't fly for most guys in Nebraska, the Dakotas, Montana, Wyoming, etc....
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Sandhusker, I know what I do won't fly for you, that is why i've tried, in vain, to give you a program that would work for you! Read QUESTIONS post and look at what they are doing!

Best Regards
Ben Rroberts
 
Ben, "Sandhusker, I know what I do won't fly for you, that is why i've tried, in vain, to give you a program that would work for you! Read QUESTIONS post and look at what they are doing! "

Ben, with all due respect, your idea isn't going to work. It's a great dream, but it's not going to happen.

QUESTION's type of deals will work until the packers decide it is threatening to them, then they'll have the USDA pull some crap like "sound science" out of their rears and they'll be shut down.
 
Sandhusker, if you take that approach to everything you do in life, I guess you don't get out of bed in the morning because you might trip on the mat beside your bed.

You won't make a cup of coffee because the kettle might not work. Remember they have been known to fail. Don't even think of making bacon and eggs or even a simple piece of toast, because the electric co. might decide to shut the power off right when you turn the stove on. Besides, the cholestorol will get you. It's a fact.

I would doubt that your car would start, even if you dared go to work - the battery would probably not have enough charge to crank the engine. And DON'T go on the road, because some inept trucker is waiting to get a whack at you. Yup, you would likely get maimed for life, a fate worse than death.

If by some strange twist of fate you actually get to work, you must absolutely refuse to make any loans, because the client's business plan was likely written out with the sole intent to deceive you. He doesn't deserve your money.

If some fortunate rancher comes in with a big cheque for the calves he sold, don't let him deposit the blasted thing because whatever stockyards paid him for the cattle is likely on the verge of bankruptcy due to some shady dealings.

Don't take any initiative on anything because it will in all probability FAIL, FAIL, FAIL.

And certainly do NOT give out a loan for some silly little producer group to start their own kill and processing plant because "Those big, evil packers will head them off at the pass"! :lol2:

There is only one thing in this world that I can think of that is worse than having no dreams, vision or imagination. That is the lack fortitude to act upon one's dreams, vision or imagination, however small they may be.

My oldest kid made one of the most profound statements I have heard in my life when he was all of about 12 years old. I had just shot my first big buck with a 12 gauge shotgunusing a 3" magnum slug. The deer was at 85 yards on a full, flatout run. The shot that got him was the last one in my gun.

Because I was a relatively inexperienced hunter, the rest of the gang had little trouble convincing me that my shot and kill was pure luck. And I was admitting to that seemingly likely reality a bit later as I told my son how much of a lead and rise I had sighted in on the deer for that range. He had at that time already read more hunting books than I will ever see.

After thinking about the scenario, he said, "Y'know Dad, you did everything you should have done. Sometimes when you do that, it all just comes together." :lol2: Isn't that priceless? Coming from a kid, at that.

Sandhusker, I know that I have often been very angry and tough on you, but the truth is that right now it just makes me sad when I see people who won't try anything because it "Likely won't work". They are the ones for whom it certainly won't work, because you have no chance of success if you never try.

There is no one single, blanket solution to every producers situation. But I fully believe that if one does "everything that you should have done, sometimes it all just comes together". Against all the odds.
 
Sandhusker said:
Ben, "Sandhusker, I know what I do won't fly for you, that is why i've tried, in vain, to give you a program that would work for you! Read QUESTIONS post and look at what they are doing! "

Ben, with all due respect, your idea isn't going to work. It's a great dream, but it's not going to happen.

QUESTION's type of deals will work until the packers decide it is threatening to them, then they'll have the USDA pull some crap like "sound science" out of their rears and they'll be shut down.
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No Sandhusker, it will work, you just won't do it! And no you are the one that didn't learn anything from the Creekstone episode, it takes unity! If Creekstone, had the membership of 300,000 do you believe the results would have been the same. But that is asking you, to invision too much.


Best Regards
Ben Roberts



 
Sandhusker said:
I didn't say nothing will work - I said that won't work. You didn't learn anything from the Creekstone deal? I did.
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What did YOU learn from the "Creekstone deal" Sadhusker?
 
Bill said:
Sandhusker said:
I didn't say nothing will work - I said that won't work. You didn't learn anything from the Creekstone deal? I did.
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What did YOU learn from the "Creekstone deal" Sadhusker?
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I learned, or maybe it would be more accurate to say that my knowledge was confirmed, that any time the packers feel threatened, they jerk the chain of the USDA and they get what they want. Until you break up that relationship, the packers will call the shots.
 
Sandhusker said:
Bill said:
Sandhusker said:
I didn't say nothing will work - I said that won't work. You didn't learn anything from the Creekstone deal? I did.
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What did YOU learn from the "Creekstone deal" Sadhusker?
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I learned, or maybe it would be more accurate to say that my knowledge was confirmed, that any time the packers feel threatened, they jerk the chain of the USDA and they get what they want. Until you break up that relationship, the packers will call the shots.
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I think you might be missing the point. You are not going to break that relationship.

If you think that that "relationship" is holding you back, learn how to work outside of it.

And before you say, "they won't let me work outdside of it", think of the people who post here and are examples of working out their businesses in spite of "that relationship".

Not that it is easy for any of them, but to view it as impossible makes it just that.
 
MLA, " think you might be missing the point. You are not going to break that relationship."

Didn't you just give me a lecture on being negetive? :lol: That relationship can be broken, and it's in all of our best interests to do so.


MLA, "And before you say, "they won't let me work outdside of it", think of the people who post here and are examples of working out their businesses in spite of "that relationship". "

Wht % of the herd do those programs represent? If you're satisfied to work around that relationship, all you're getting is crumbs. Meanwhile, the vast majority of producers are under the thumb. That's not acceptable to me. Why settle instead of fixing the dang problem? You wean the USDA off of AMI, and that fixes a whole lot of problems and heads more off.
 
If Canadian beef will allready be segregated when entering the US it will be a cost advantage for canadian packers that wont have to segregate meat in plant. We may really benefit from a niche market AND lower packing costs. MCOOL SOUNDS GOOD!!!!!

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And I will be able to support Canadian beef next time I visit the US
 
elwapo said:
If Canadian beef will allready be segregated when entering the US it will be a cost advantage for canadian packers that wont have to segregate meat in plant. We may really benefit from a niche market AND lower packing costs. MCOOL SOUNDS GOOD!!!!!

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And I will be able to support Canadian beef next time I visit the US
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Finally a Canadian that gets MCOOL.
If I remember correctly, Canada supplies about one weeks worth of beef into the USA market. That means your supply is limited and if it is in high demand, the value of Canadian labeled product will rise. And the value of your cattle will follow. So why are so many of you Canadians against MCOOL and would rather believe the propaganda of those making money off your cattle??????
 
:shock: :D :D Wow! I've been quoted. :D :D :oops: Gosh...

It's not so much that we're against MCOOL. It's probably more that we all missed the high spot in the last cattle cycle, and if my guess is correct, there will be an 'adjustment period' that will cause us to miss the next high spot, which will leave us with a twenty year cycle that had no good prices in it. Until the Canadian plants expand to take all of our fats, (so they can ship them to you) they're going to go for the bargains as much as they can.

Anyone here remember the cattle cycle?? :???: The high spots usually leave everyone in decent shape so that they can ride out the low spots. At the moment, the entire Canadian cattle industry in general doesn't have spare change to do this with.

Not everyone up here is sure they can or want to ride out another 'adjustment period'. :!: :!: :!: They're jumping ship left and right now, and those that haven't left aren't in the kind of shape it takes to feel comfortable with a touchy market right now. If MCOOL could be done without putting a few thousand more out of business, then bring it on. We're proud of our beef, and are willing to put it up against anyone's.

:!: Does anyone here think they've got the equity and will to ride out two cattle cycles without ever seeing the high side of them????? Just think about it. :shock:
 
Kato good point and if the industry tries to bury us again and the prices plummet even more I'm out.Life is to short to work your ash off everyday and give your animals away for free. Labelling sounds like a great idea but right now I don't trust the market to be regulated honestly as far as I can throw my bull.
 
:agree: Around here we call it a licence to steal. :shock: :shock:

We're getting sick of it too, but I guess we're just beligerant enough to stick it out until they drag us away. :wink: I guess we're adrenalin junkies at heart.

It's tough to hear some of the sad stories going around the countryside though. :( Within our area we've seen everything from just dumping the cattle for whatever price, to bankruptcy, to suicide. It's been a long tough haul for a lot of people.
 
Kato-cowzilla-- If I was you guys I'd be putting some heat on your cattle organizations to get an M-COOL enacted in Canada- before Tyson and Swift/JBS get North America opened up to Argentine and Brazilian beef--which I believe they will do before our current USDA/administration (Packer bought flunkies) goes out of office.....
 
OT do some research before you make such statements, Canada does not import any significant amount of beef partially because of BSE but canada produces way more than it can eat in all markets. Canada is a net exporter of beef even before BSE unlike the US. So it is simple the packers would have to pay freight on that S.A. beef to get any up and then lose money on it, I am sure the packers want to do that. :roll: It is a long trip up here where as the southern states are relatively close to S.A. by comparison. Not to mention that there is no room for it, while the US is in a deficite in the grind and mixed meat catagory. How many times do you have to be told canada doesn't import beef like the US. Even if the US stopped exporting all beef it could not produce enough to feed it's self. Consequently you guys have to import beef even if you slaughter everything for domestic use only.
 
Question-- they'd love nothing more than to bring in some of that beef they can get for 50cents lb., to pass off to Canadians as Canadian beef...They make a bigger profit and use that cheap beef to manipulate down the demand and prices of your cattle....

Any place these mafia folks can cheat out a bigger profit they will do it.....
 

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