ranch hand
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How come Canada had rules to not allow imports from countries with BSE before they acquired it? Are they open now to other countries besides USA that have had a case of BSE?
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DiamondSCattleCo
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ranch hand said:
You're missing the point ranch hand. Once we discovered we had BSE, that changed all the rules and rightfully so. Now we are governed by WTO rules and we cannot block other countries beef with BSE as long as their protocols are _at least_ as strict as our own. You'll notice that we opened up to US beef, despite your weaker feed ban and inadequate testing?
Sandhusker,
There must be rules governing the conduct of countries. It sounds to me as though you're saying the US should ignore those rules. Do you have any idea how bad that would be for your country? Can you imagine what would happen to your economy if every country in the world decided to enact an embargo against Made in the US products? There is nothing that the US creates that cannot be had elsewhere in the world.
Rod
Maple Leaf Angus
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DiamondSCattleCo said:
:shock:
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RobertMac
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Maple Leaf Angus said:DiamondSCattleCo said:
:shock:
:shock: :lol: :lol:
:shock: :shock: :shock: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :roll:
Let me introduce you to reality...the USA economy is the economy that drives the world economy...think about that before you wish bad things on your "friends"!
The WTO can take a flying leap up where the sun don't shine! They are nothing but a political organization formed to break down trade barriers so global corporations can have free access to world markets to move finished good and raw product freely for THEIR BENEFIT...national sovereignty be damned!
Sandhusker
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DiamondSCattleCo said:
Is Canada accepting beef/live animals from any EU countries?
I didn't say we couldn't be part of an organization with rules. What I am saying is that those rules can not come before our laws and that Congress can not cede any of their authority to ANYBODY. We legally could be in a WTO, but not this WTO.
don
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more and more it becomes apparent that americans are as indoctrinated as the russians were in the days of communism. don't you think that the american govt. of the day wanted the wto and still does because unless there are rules your govt. has no recourse either if some other country doesn't toe the line? your big business certainly wants it so that it can have access to other countries' resources. i think your living in the past if you think america can call all the shouts. the brick countries are going to make people like you awfully uncomfortable.
Sandhusker
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don said:
Don, I'll say it again; We can follow rules, but when those rules go against our laws, our laws are trump and Congress can not cede any law-making authority to anybody else. It doesn't matter who want's to do things different or why. That comes from the Constitution of the United States - where the buck stops.
don
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so don't expect anybody else to follow the rules either. and with the emergence of bigger economies elsewhere in the world you may need those rules and an effective way of making sure everybody (inluding the usa) sticks to them. so what are you saying - the american constitution overrides all other countries' laws and treaties or the govt.'s of the usa that have signed these treaties have violated the constitution? you can't have it both ways. if the american constitution is supreme then your govt. shuldn't be signing agreemnents where they don't have authority. i think you'll have to admit that many of these trade org.'s have been formed because the american economy did drive the world economy and american interests wanted these agreements so america could exploit the resources of other parts of the world. has america's reach exceded its grasp?
DiamondSCattleCo
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RobertMac said:
RM, at NO time have I wished bad things on my friends in the US. Quite the opposite in fact. I want nothing but prosperity for the US, but the paths I see people on this forum wanting to take leads to nothing but isolationism and economic ruin. Back in the early 1900s, the US learned that isolationist behaviour will hurt them. I just hope that lesson won't be forgotten.
Rod
RobertMac
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Don, world trade has been governed for centuries by trade agreements between countries. The only reason for a single entity to make world trade rules is so the powerful global corporations can write those rules...for their benefit!
Countries don't 'do trade' with each other, companies do!
Countries don't 'do trade' with each other, companies do!
Sandhusker
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don said:
Don, what is so hard to understand here? Our Constitution has nothing to do with other countries. It is the bed rock of our government. Yes, our lawmakers and president did sign an agreement they did not have the authority to sign. However, if you pay much attention to our politics, Washington is getting in the habit of ignoring law.
Maple Leaf Angus
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RobertMac said:Maple Leaf Angus said:DiamondSCattleCo said:
:shock:
:shock: :lol: :lol:
:shock: :shock: :shock: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :roll:
Let me introduce you to reality...the USA economy is the economy that drives the world economy...think about that before you wish bad things on your "friends"!
The WTO can take a flying leap up where the sun don't shine! They are nothing but a political organization formed to break down trade barriers so global corporations can have free access to world markets to move finished good and raw product freely for THEIR BENEFIT...national sovereignty be damned!
RobertMac, I am stunned in response to your post. It is YOU who put the twist to my post that you quoted and spun to your perception.
In no way, shape or form have I ever wished harm to our American neighbours. You are the one who misinterpreted my words to make it look like I expressed anti-American sentiment. What is at the root of your paranoia?
I am calling you out on that and letting you know that I have held you in much higher regard than to perpetrate such an action.
Do you deserve that respect or not?
I was simply expressing surprise at the thought that the U.S. economy could actually be affected by the scenario that Rod presented.
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Yep-- folks are waking up to the fact that globalization and all these FTA's were just a scheme of the worlds elite to make themselves much richer and to create a world of serfs out of the rest of the population.....Sad thing is that in doing so by bowing down to the elitists, Clinton/Bush sold out much of our Constitution and our National Sovereignty-- and are still trying to Fast Track sell out more..... 
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Global backlash against globalization?
Patrick Wood*
Renew America**
July 26, 2007
For decades, global elitists have claimed special knowledge that they alone could solve the world's problems if only we (the ignorant masses) would leave them alone to get on with it. It would create jobs and economic prosperity, they said. They promised peace and security. Truly, what's not to like about their New World Order?
Imagine how shocked they were when Financial Times published the results of an FT/Harris poll (July 22, 2007) which showed almost universal disdain for the very policies that were supposed to save us. According to the FT article,
The depth of anti-globalization feeling in the FT/Harris poll, which surveyed more than 1,000 people online in each of the six countries, will dismay policy-makers and corporate executives. Their view that opening economies to freer trade is beneficial to poor and rich countries alike is not shared by the citizens of rich countries, regardless of how liberal their economic traditions.
Yet, their clever defense is already built into the FT title: "Globalization backlash in rich nations."
That's right, it's only the selfish rich nations who are resisting globalization. And, we should slap more taxes on ourselves to teach ourselves a lesson.
But wait, does this mean that poor nations are embracing globalization?
Apparently, anti-globalization riots and protests in 3rd world countries aren't taken into account. Nor does it seem to matter that communist and other brutal dictatorships don't even allow dissent; remember that there are plenty of dictatorships involved with the global elite, including countries like communist China.
In the FT/Harris poll, the question was posed: "Do you think globalization is having a positive or negative effect in your country?"
Less than 20 percent of citizen respondents in the UK, France, Spain and the U.S. viewed it as having a positive effect. Germany and Italy were a bit higher.
Still, well over 50 percent of all respondents voted "No" to globalization.
Another shock to the pro-globalization elite is the overwhelming passage (362-63 on July 24, 2007) of the Duncan Hunter Amendment (H.R. 3074) to the Transportation Appropriations Act, "prohibiting the use of federal funds for participation in working groups under the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP), including the creation of the NAFTA Super Highway."
"The proposed NAFTA Super Highway presents significant challenges to our nation's security, the safety of vehicle motorists, and will likely drive down wages for American workers," said Congressman Hunter. "Much like NAFTA, the super highway is designed to serve the interests of our trading partners and will lead to neither security nor prosperity."
Congressman Duncan Hunter, also a presidential candidate, told his fellow congressional colleagues,
"This 12 lane highway, which is already under construction in Texas, will fast-track thousands of cargo containers across the U.S. without adequate security. These containers will move from Mexico, a country with a record of corruption and involvement in the drug trade, across a border that is already porous and insufficiently protected.
"Unfortunately, very little is known about the NAFTA Super Highway. This amendment will provide Congress the opportunity to exercise oversight of the highway, which remains a subject of question and uncertainty, and ensure that our safety and security will not be comprised in order to promote the business interests of our neighbors."
Obviously, criticism of globalization in the U.S. is certainly not limited to citizens only.
What end-run will the global elite devise to counter these negative sentiments? Will they simply stiffen their necks even more and barge ahead in defiance of citizens and Congress alike?
If history is a guide, they will most likely dismiss all such criticisms as coming from ignorant people who don't know any better in the first place.
Related video:
Backlash vs. 'globalization'
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/business/2007/07/24/romans.globalization.backlash.cnn
Call for more tax on rich
http://video.ft.com/ukdailyvideo/?clipid=1359_FT0339
Note: For further information on globalization, see The August Review
http://www.augustreview.com/
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*Patrick M. Wood is editor of The August Review, which builds on his original research with the late Antony C. Sutton, who was formerly a Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution for War, Peace and Revolution at Stanford University. Their 1977-1982 newsletter, Trilateral Observer, was the original authoritative critique on the New International Economic Order spearheaded by members of the Trilateral Commission. Wood is also executive director of World Research Library, publisher of The August Review.
**Mission statement
The mission of RenewAmerica is to expand the influence of America's grassroots--both among individual citizens and among principled groups--in the cause of preserving our nation upon its founding ideals, specifically those in the Declaration of Independence and U.S. Constitution, as written.
RenewAmerica is not just cooperative, however, in that shared effort. It is truly inclusive: We seek to bring together all Americans who believe in our country's founding vision.
renewamerica.us/columns
-------------------------------------------
Global backlash against globalization?
Patrick Wood*
Renew America**
July 26, 2007
For decades, global elitists have claimed special knowledge that they alone could solve the world's problems if only we (the ignorant masses) would leave them alone to get on with it. It would create jobs and economic prosperity, they said. They promised peace and security. Truly, what's not to like about their New World Order?
Imagine how shocked they were when Financial Times published the results of an FT/Harris poll (July 22, 2007) which showed almost universal disdain for the very policies that were supposed to save us. According to the FT article,
The depth of anti-globalization feeling in the FT/Harris poll, which surveyed more than 1,000 people online in each of the six countries, will dismay policy-makers and corporate executives. Their view that opening economies to freer trade is beneficial to poor and rich countries alike is not shared by the citizens of rich countries, regardless of how liberal their economic traditions.
Yet, their clever defense is already built into the FT title: "Globalization backlash in rich nations."
That's right, it's only the selfish rich nations who are resisting globalization. And, we should slap more taxes on ourselves to teach ourselves a lesson.
But wait, does this mean that poor nations are embracing globalization?
Apparently, anti-globalization riots and protests in 3rd world countries aren't taken into account. Nor does it seem to matter that communist and other brutal dictatorships don't even allow dissent; remember that there are plenty of dictatorships involved with the global elite, including countries like communist China.
In the FT/Harris poll, the question was posed: "Do you think globalization is having a positive or negative effect in your country?"
Less than 20 percent of citizen respondents in the UK, France, Spain and the U.S. viewed it as having a positive effect. Germany and Italy were a bit higher.
Still, well over 50 percent of all respondents voted "No" to globalization.
Another shock to the pro-globalization elite is the overwhelming passage (362-63 on July 24, 2007) of the Duncan Hunter Amendment (H.R. 3074) to the Transportation Appropriations Act, "prohibiting the use of federal funds for participation in working groups under the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP), including the creation of the NAFTA Super Highway."
"The proposed NAFTA Super Highway presents significant challenges to our nation's security, the safety of vehicle motorists, and will likely drive down wages for American workers," said Congressman Hunter. "Much like NAFTA, the super highway is designed to serve the interests of our trading partners and will lead to neither security nor prosperity."
Congressman Duncan Hunter, also a presidential candidate, told his fellow congressional colleagues,
"This 12 lane highway, which is already under construction in Texas, will fast-track thousands of cargo containers across the U.S. without adequate security. These containers will move from Mexico, a country with a record of corruption and involvement in the drug trade, across a border that is already porous and insufficiently protected.
"Unfortunately, very little is known about the NAFTA Super Highway. This amendment will provide Congress the opportunity to exercise oversight of the highway, which remains a subject of question and uncertainty, and ensure that our safety and security will not be comprised in order to promote the business interests of our neighbors."
Obviously, criticism of globalization in the U.S. is certainly not limited to citizens only.
What end-run will the global elite devise to counter these negative sentiments? Will they simply stiffen their necks even more and barge ahead in defiance of citizens and Congress alike?
If history is a guide, they will most likely dismiss all such criticisms as coming from ignorant people who don't know any better in the first place.
Related video:
Backlash vs. 'globalization'
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/business/2007/07/24/romans.globalization.backlash.cnn
Call for more tax on rich
http://video.ft.com/ukdailyvideo/?clipid=1359_FT0339
Note: For further information on globalization, see The August Review
http://www.augustreview.com/
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Patrick M. Wood is editor of The August Review, which builds on his original research with the late Antony C. Sutton, who was formerly a Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution for War, Peace and Revolution at Stanford University. Their 1977-1982 newsletter, Trilateral Observer, was the original authoritative critique on the New International Economic Order spearheaded by members of the Trilateral Commission. Wood is also executive director of World Research Library, publisher of The August Review.
**Mission statement
The mission of RenewAmerica is to expand the influence of America's grassroots--both among individual citizens and among principled groups--in the cause of preserving our nation upon its founding ideals, specifically those in the Declaration of Independence and U.S. Constitution, as written.
RenewAmerica is not just cooperative, however, in that shared effort. It is truly inclusive: We seek to bring together all Americans who believe in our country's founding vision.
renewamerica.us/columns
RobertMac
Well-known member
Maple Leaf Angus said:RobertMac said:Maple Leaf Angus said::shock:
:shock: :lol: :lol:
:shock: :shock: :shock: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :roll:
Let me introduce you to reality...the USA economy is the economy that drives the world economy...think about that before you wish bad things on your "friends"!
The WTO can take a flying leap up where the sun don't shine! They are nothing but a political organization formed to break down trade barriers so global corporations can have free access to world markets to move finished good and raw product freely for THEIR BENEFIT...national sovereignty be damned!
RobertMac, I am stunned in response to your post. It is YOU who put the twist to my post that you quoted and spun to your perception.
In no way, shape or form have I ever wished harm to our American neighbours. You are the one who misinterpreted my words to make it look like I expressed anti-American sentiment. What is at the root of your paranoia?
I am calling you out on that and letting you know that I have held you in much higher regard than to perpetrate such an action.
Do you deserve that respect or not?
I was simply expressing surprise at the thought that the U.S. economy could actually be affected by the scenario that Rod presented.
MLA, you are correct, I should not have manipulated your post and for that I apologize.
I assumed your anti-American sentiment from your distain for R-Calf and its members...if I'm wrong, I apologize for this also.
I should have directed my post to Rod.
Maple Leaf Angus
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Freely given - freely received! I always admire someone who is honest whether I agree with him or not. And I actually have little disagreement with many of your ideas, RM.
By the way, is my disdain for R-calf that obvious?
By the way, is my disdain for R-calf that obvious?
DiamondSCattleCo
Well-known member
RobertMac said:
RM, I can only assume you missed my post above, so I'll repeat it here:
"RM, at NO time have I wished bad things on my friends in the US. Quite the opposite in fact. I want nothing but prosperity for the US, but the paths I see people on this forum wanting to take leads to nothing but isolationism and economic ruin. Back in the early 1900s, the US learned that isolationist behaviour will hurt them. I just hope that lesson won't be forgotten. "
The only way that I can envision Canada and the US surviving in the next thousand years is for our two countries to band together and use each others strengths. Infighting and finger pointing will never solve anything.
Rod