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Science should prevail in ‘mad cow' tests


By The Standard Staff - 06/30/2005

Summary: The United States can't proclaim Canadian cattle unsafe while discounting the BSE detected in our own country.
Plan on grilling steak or burgers for your July Fourth barbeque? Don't change your menu because one old cow sent to a pet food plant in Texas last fall tested positive for bovine spongiform encephalopathy.

U.S. Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns is correct: U.S.-produced beef is safe from BSE. After more than 388,000 cattle tested with only one positive, consumers can be confident that there's not widespread incidence of this disease in U.S. cattle. This beefed-up testing program was initiated after an infected Canadian-born cow was found in Washington state in 2003.

Update safety standards However, the fact that it took seven months and the intervention of Inspector General Phyllis K. Fong to retest a suspect sample to confirm its infection doesn't bolster consumer confidence. The USDA must do better. The standards for food safety must constantly be re-evaluated and raised to reflect the best, most up-to-date scientific knowledge. Johanns, who took the helm at the USDA in January, has promised that testing procedures will be upgraded because of this BSE case.

Johanns reaffirmed the USDA's decision to reopen the border to Canadian cattle. "This simply does not change our position relative to reopening the border. We're going to continue to aggressively pursue that litigation to a successful result," he told reporters.

As researchers from the Harvard School of Public Health concluded, Canada has the same safety measures in place as the United States. The four Canadian cattle found with BSE in the past two years didn't become anyone's dinner. Those incidents don't make Canadian beef unsafe any more than the Texas cow makes U.S. beef unsafe.

Border economics Borders remain closed because of politics and economics. U.S. producers have been enjoying record-high cattle prices. Japan, which had been one of the largest customers for U.S. beef, is protecting its small domestic producers by keeping its border closed to U.S. producers.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and a U.S. District Court judge in Billings have hearings scheduled next month in a lawsuit the Billings-based Ranchers-Cattlemen Action Legal Fund filed to keep the U.S.-Canada border closed. A ruling in favor of scientific evidence would force American producers to compete directly against Canadians eventually. It also would show reluctant Japanese customers that we Americans trust our food safety standards. The United States can't proclaim Canadian cattle unsafe while discounting the BSE detected in our own country. The risk is infinitesimally small on both sides of the border.

— The Billings Gazette
 
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Deceptive R-CULT will see it differently because they need to do everything they can to stop Canadian imports because they don't understand world trade.


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~SH~ said:
Deceptive R-CULT will see it differently because they need to do everything they can to stop Canadian imports because they don't understand world trade.


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Question SH.

Cebull is no doubt in a tremendous pressure cooker. How do you see these two hearings playing out?
 

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STORY has no creditability ,as by this out date remarks,As researchers from the Harvard School of Public Health concluded, Canada has the same safety measures in place as the United States.

Absoulte not any TRUE in the above statement !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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~SH~ said:
Deceptive R-CULT will see it differently because they need to do everything they can to stop Canadian imports because they don't understand world trade.


~SH~

Really? Which organization backs the common sense business approach of giving the customer (Japan) what they want and which organization backs the heavy handed "you'll take it as we see fit for you to take it" approach of the USDA?

Which organization realizes that you can not have the image of the purveyor of the world's highest quality beef when your import standards are below your customers?

Which organization thinks we ought to set up trade deals with beef importing countries instead of concentrating on beef exporting countries?
 

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PORKER said:
STORY has no creditability ,as by this out date remarks,As researchers from the Harvard School of Public Health concluded, Canada has the same safety measures in place as the United States.

Absoulte not any TRUE in the above statement !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The story has more crediblity than most statements coming out of Billings. I do agree with your comment on the safety standards. They are not the same in both countries but due to this last American positive the US will be forced to come up to Canada's level.
 

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Sandhusker, you must get dizzy from spinning so much. I think you would feel pretty comfortable with a new handle, something like "TOP". :)
 

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PORKER said:
STORY has no creditability ,as by this out date remarks,As researchers from the Harvard School of Public Health concluded, Canada has the same safety measures in place as the United States.

Absoulte not any TRUE in the above statement !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree this is an out of date remark.
Porker are we now talking about the safety measure of not feeding chicken litter to cattle? or the way our government inspects ALL feed mills on a yearly basis? or the safety standard of seperate slaughter plants for OTM and UTM cattle? Or is it the way one of the industries has the capability of tracing their whole domestic herd back to birth place within a reasonable length of time? No, maybe it is the catagory of cattle that are being tested and the test that is used? Which one of these safety measures do you want to discuss first and again. :roll:
 

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Maple Leaf Angus said:
Sandhusker, you must get dizzy from spinning so much. I think you would feel pretty comfortable with a new handle, something like "TOP". :)


Feel free to point out my inaccurcies.
 

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Really? Which organization backs the common sense business approach of giving the customer (Japan) what they want and which organization backs the heavy handed "you'll take it as we see fit for you to take it" approach of the USDA?
This could also be stated which organization backed the expensive scientifically unjust testing of cattle that even Japan agrees will not show any positive test results?
Which organization realizes that you can not have the image of the purveyor of the world's highest quality beef when your import standards are below your customers?
this one could be stated Which organization claimed to have the safest beef in the world then went to the media and Claimed a country that is in the same risk catagory and has stricter safeguard and firewalls produces nothing but taint unsafe beef. And for a added touch stated the USDA and the packers don't care about food saftey and to top it off screamed about how the US firewalls were not strong enough to protect you from the spread of BSE.

Which organization thinks we ought to set up trade deals with beef importing countries instead of concentrating on beef exporting countries

This one also could be stated which organization doesn't realize that if you are not willing to except cattle from a country that is in the SAME risk catagory as you when you are excepting their beef you are showing the export markets that you don't trust your slaughter industry to produce the same safe beef out of the same cattle the other country is. And if you don't trust your slaughter industry why should your export markets. Remember the old saying "LEAD AND OTHER WILL FOLLOW" Show your export markets you trust your industry and maybe they will trust it too.
 

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TAM:"This could also be stated which organization backed the expensive scientifically unjust testing of cattle that even Japan agrees will not show any positive test results?"

Tam, You will not EVER get Japan to agree that testing "WILL NOT SHOW ANY POSITIVE RESULTS". They had a 21 and a 23 month positive. Some even questioned the testing, which was WB, in conjunction with the now infamous "Gold Standard".
No ma'am you won't get them to admit testing is "scientifically unjust" now.

If the Japs agree, why won't they take US or Can beef untested UTM's?
 

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Mike said:
TAM:"This could also be stated which organization backed the expensive scientifically unjust testing of cattle that even Japan agrees will not show any positive test results?"

Tam, You will not EVER get Japan to agree that testing "WILL NOT SHOW ANY POSITIVE RESULTS". They had a 21 and a 23 month positive. Some even questioned the testing, which was WB, in conjunction with the now infamous "Gold Standard".
No ma'am you won't get them to admit testing is "scientifically unjust" now.

If the Japs agree, why won't they take US or Can beef untested UTM's?

can you say POLITICS Mike.

Tell us Mike if they don't why is the Japanese government currently working on changing their BSE testing protocol to testing OVER 20 month animals and away from the testing all Protocol that they inplimented to get back consumer confidence in the Japanese herd. The Japanese never found any positive in an animal under 20 months and that sir is why they agreed to change their testing protocol.
 

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TAM ,New testing format's and designs will beable to test at any age and they are ready for anyone or governmet to use.
 

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They ain't changed it yet, and we ain't shipping yet. Let's see, how many BILLIONS did we lose by not testing for them? And you say it's expensive?

Now comes a Japan meat company wanting to PAY Canada to test after being turned down by the USDA.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

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TAM ,New testing format's and designs will beable to test at any age and they are ready for anyone or governmet to use.

The Western Blot was also ready to use by governments and many did including Canada, but it wasn't used in the US until Ms. Fong requested it to retest a seven month old sample.
 

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Now comes a Japan meat company wanting to PAY Canada to test after being turned down by the USDA

Let us in Coach! :D :D

You can't play, Murgen. Your government is only the offensive coordinator. The US multi-nationals are the coaches.
 

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You can't play, Murgen. Your government is only the offensive coordinator. The US multi-nationals are the coaches.

Doesn't it make you wonder then why the multinationals have bought or expanded to the point where they kill almost all of the fats in Canada, in federally inspected plants. I still believe they saw this coming and are planning on shipping boxes from Canada to Japan before they ship from the US.
 

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