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Distillers Grains: Implications for the U.S. Pork Industry



Ethanol production, as well as, the production of its co-products is increasing in the United States. The increase in production of ethanol and its subsequent co-products and their implications on the pork industry was the topic at a recent conference. The Pork Checkoff hosted the Distillers Grains: Implications for the U.S. Pork Industry Conference on November 20, in Des Moines, Iowa.

The conference provided pork producers with a look at the current challenges and opportunities facing them if they are considering feeding distillers grains in their operations. Speakers also updated the audience on the latest research and information related to distillers grains and how these can be managed and incorporated into a feeding regime in their pork production operations.



Pork producers were also given information that addressed economic issues relating to product quality and consistency, feed costs, transportation. The ethanol industry evolvement and corn supply was also discussed at the conference.



The presentations that were presented are located in PIG References under the Swine Nutrition Domain Array and are also located on the Pork Checkoff Website.

Sponsors that made the conference possible include the Iowa Corn Growers Association, the National Pork Producers Council, the National Corn Growers Association, the Iowa Pork Producers Association, the Iowa Agribusiness Export Partnership and the Renewable Fuels Association.
 
It seems from the meeting we had last week that the maximum amount of distillers grains that can be used in pig rations is 30%, this will leave a large volume available on the market. A concerne voiced by our nutritionists, is that antibiotics are used to destroy spoilage bacteria in the grain prior to fermentation, our nutritionists are reluctant to use any distillers grain for this reason.
What are everyones thoughts from the cattle feeding perspective?
 
I have never heard the comment about antibiotics used pre fermentation...that is something everyone would need to research.

The big thing about distiller grain or any by-product feed from flour mills malting etc, is the energy content is different than the whole grain going in.

You can't take energy from a grain and still have the same amount left after the process. That is a major reason it can't be used in greater than 30% of hog rations.

The same would be true for fattening cattle. The energy required is greater than is left in the by-product.

This is however where the cattle industry will benefit, cows and wintering calves do fine on it. It has greater nutrition than many hays and can be used easilly in cow rations and for wintering replacements. It is easier to transport and has protien equivilant to the best dairy quality alfalfa. Some low value grass hay and a bit of DDG and cows will gain weight for less than buying better quality hay in many cases.

Pigs and chickens won't be able to tap into this advanatge as they aren't ruminants. Consider a scenario where there is a surplus of the DDG and you get paid to take it. What would that do for your bottom line?
 
Summary

Two experiments evaluated supplemental degradable intake protein requirements when dried distillers grains were fed as an energy source in forage-based diets. Diets were formulated to be greater than 100 g/day deficient in degradable intake protein but with excess metabolizable protein. In both experiments, no response in performance was observed when urea was added to the diet. Sufficient urea was probably recycled to correct the degradable intake protein deficiency. These studies indicate adding urea to meet the degradable intake protein requirement is not necessary when dried distillers grains are fed as an energy source in forage-based diets.

Introduction

As the corn milling industries continue to expand, an increased availability of distillers grains is expected. Dried distillers grains (DDG) are appropriate for foragebased production systems when forage quality is poor (winter) or quantity is limiting (drought). Dried distillers grains are considered a protein supplement when fed at less than 15% of the diet DM and as an energy source when fed at levels greater than 15% of the diet. Energy supplied by DDG is in the form of digestible fiber and fat (1996, Nebraska Beef Report, pp. 65-66) making its energy value superior to corn in forage-based diets (2003, Nebraska Beef Report, pp. 8-10). Dry distillers grains contain approximately 65% UIP (% of CP), consequently forage-based diets that include dried distillers grains fed as an energy source are commonly deficient in degradable intake protein (DIP) but contain excess metabolizable protein (MP). Cattle convert excess MP to urea which is potentially recycled to the rumen and can serve as a source of DIP. Many factors influence urea recycling and the amount of urea that is recycled when DDG is included in a forage-based diet is not known. The objective of these trials was to determine if added DIP (i.e. urea) is required in foragebased diets where DDG is included at levels in excess of the MP requirement.

Procedure

In experiment one, 60 Angus heifers (613 ± 36 lb) were stratified by weight then assigned randomly to one of five treatments. Treatments were designed to supply 0, 33, 67, 100 and 133% of the NRC (1996) predicted DIP deficiency of the base diet. Heifers were individually fed in Calan electronic gates for ad libitum consumption of a diet consisting of 58% ground corn cobs and 12% sorghum silage. The remaining 30% of the diet was one of the DDG based supplements described in Table 1. For five days before and at the end of the 84 day experiment heifers were limit fed. Heifer weights were recorded on three consecutive days following each limit-feeding period. Beginning on day 46 of the experiment, approximately 50 mL of urine was collected from each heifer for 5 consecutive days to estimate microbial crude protein (MCP) production. Urine samples were assayed for allantoin and creatinine. The ratio of allantoin to creatinine is indicative of the amount of MCP produced.

Feedstuffs used in the trial were analyzed for DM, organic matter (OM), CP, in-vitro dry matter disappearance (IVDMD) and for insitu undegradable intake protein content (2003, Nebraska Beef Report, pp. 81-83, Table 2).

In experiment two, 48 crossbred heifers (451 ± 44 lb) were stratified by weight then assigned randomly to one of eight pens. Pens then were assigned randomly to one of two supplement treatments. Heifers were fed for ad libitum consumption of grass hay (54% TDN, 7.4% CP) and supplemented with either 3 lb (DM) DDG/head/day or 3 lb (DM) DDG plus 0.1 lb urea/head/ day. This was the amount of urea required to meet the NRC predicted DIP requirement. Supplement composition is listed in Table 1. Heifers were weighed on two consecutive days at the beginning and end of the 84-day trial. Beginning on day 55 of the experiment, approximately 50 mL of urine was collected from each heifer for 3 consecutive days. Urine samples were composited by animal and analyzed as described in experiment one.

Data were analyzed using animal as the experimental unit for experiment one and pen as the experimental unit for experiment two.

Results

In experiment one, heifer ADG did not differ among treatments. Similarly, total DMI and F/G did not differ (Table 3). We hypothesized that heifers consuming the 0, 33 and possibly the 67% diets would exhibit reduced ADG compared to the 100 and 133% diets because of their DIP deficiency (Table 4). This was not the case, however, as no differences in performance were observed. One explanation for this lack of difference is that sufficient urea was recycled to the rumen to meet the DIP requirement in all treatments. The NRC (1996) sets the DIP requirement equal to microbial crude protein (MCP) production. In this experiment we measured the allantoin to creatinine ratio in the urine to estimate MCP production based on the theory that these are directly related. Allantoin to creatinine ratio did not differ among treatments (Table 3). Our hypothesis was that allantoin to creatinine ratios would be similar for the 100, 133 and perhaps even the 67% treatments but would be reduced in the 0 and 33% treatments. The actual relationships among treatments for allantoin to creatinine ratios observed in this study fit nicely with the performance data and suggest that MCP production was not reduced in the DIP deficient diets relative to the diets where the DIP requirement was met with urea. Endogenous urea recycling explains the lack of difference among treatments for both ADG and allantoin to creatinine ratios.

Upon completion of the study animal performance, intake and nutrient analyses were used as inputs to evaluate the diets using the NRC (1996) model. Variables used as inputs as well as outputs generated from the model are reported in Table 4. These data are reported as an aid in formulating diets containing dried distillers grains.

In experiment 2, heifer ADG did not differ between treatments. Likewise, total DMI and F/G were not different (Table 3). Allantoin: creatinine ratio (Table 3) was also similar between treatments. These results are consistent with experiment 1 and also suggest that sufficient urea was recycled to the rumen to meet the DIP requirement of heifers not fed urea.

In conclusion, providing urea to meet the DIP deficiency did not improve ADG, intake, or F/G in either experiment. No differences in allantoin to creatinine ratio, which are indicative of microbial crude protein production, were noted in either experiment. We interpret these results to indicate that additional DIP is not necessary when DDG are fed as an energy source in forage-based diets.

1Aaron Stalker, graduate student;
Terry Klopfenstein, professor, Animal Science, Galen Ericksen, assistant professor, Lincoln;
Don Adams, professor, West Central Research and Extension Center, North Platte.
 
Katrina, what per cent of your ration is DDG? We feed wet DDG and we are increasing our percent some what, but I can't remember just what increase we are going to do.
 
Jason said:
I have never heard the comment about antibiotics used pre fermentation...that is something everyone would need to research.

The big thing about distiller grain or any by-product feed from flour mills malting etc, is the energy content is different than the whole grain going in.

You can't take energy from a grain and still have the same amount left after the process. That is a major reason it can't be used in greater than 30% of hog rations.

The same would be true for fattening cattle. The energy required is greater than is left in the by-product.

This is however where the cattle industry will benefit, cows and wintering calves do fine on it. It has greater nutrition than many hays and can be used easilly in cow rations and for wintering replacements. It is easier to transport and has protien equivilant to the best dairy quality alfalfa. Some low value grass hay and a bit of DDG and cows will gain weight for less than buying better quality hay in many cases.

Pigs and chickens won't be able to tap into this advanatge as they aren't ruminants. Consider a scenario where there is a surplus of the DDG and you get paid to take it. What would that do for your bottom line?
The energy in DDG is higher than the energy in corn.
 
Red Robin said:
Jason said:
I have never heard the comment about antibiotics used pre fermentation...that is something everyone would need to research.

The big thing about distiller grain or any by-product feed from flour mills malting etc, is the energy content is different than the whole grain going in.

You can't take energy from a grain and still have the same amount left after the process. That is a major reason it can't be used in greater than 30% of hog rations.

The same would be true for fattening cattle. The energy required is greater than is left in the by-product.

This is however where the cattle industry will benefit, cows and wintering calves do fine on it. It has greater nutrition than many hays and can be used easilly in cow rations and for wintering replacements. It is easier to transport and has protien equivilant to the best dairy quality alfalfa. Some low value grass hay and a bit of DDG and cows will gain weight for less than buying better quality hay in many cases.

Pigs and chickens won't be able to tap into this advanatge as they aren't ruminants. Consider a scenario where there is a surplus of the DDG and you get paid to take it. What would that do for your bottom line?
The energy in DDG is higher than the energy in corn.

Yes, the energy in DDG is equal to or higher than corn. The conversion from corn to DDG takes away about 2/3 of the volume. What's left is all the protein that was originally in the corn, now concentrated threefold. But the energy in DDG is from fat, not starch. The starch has been removed. Fat energy is different from starch energy in the impact it has on the animal. Above a certain threshhold of consumption too much fat depresses appetite. Below that threshhold there is no problem with it. Also DDG contains a higher level of sulphur. Total sulphur levels need to be watched.
 
Has anybody seen any projections on how much corn distiller's grain is going to replace? All one hears is how much corn demand is going up because of what will be used for ethanol. I haven't heard anything about the inevitable decreasing of demand via feeding distiller's grain instead of corn.
 
Jason, a couple of us at the meeting breed cattle, and were interested in the possibility of an oversupply of brewer's grain that could be utilised by the cattle industry, when the head nutritionist mentioned the antibiotic this was the first reference I had on this aspect.
Sandhusker, the projections at this meeting were of the percentage of feed corn that will be used by the ethanol producers, 25% when the distilleries come on line, going up to 75% ,based on this projection, ( this is grain sourced east of the Mississippi ) the company has already purchased next years corn from Brazil ahead, and will be buying on the world market for all future feed grain requirements to keep competitive in the meat market.
 
andybob said:
Jason, a couple of us at the meeting breed cattle, and were interested in the possibility of an oversupply of brewer's grain that could be utilised by the cattle industry, when the head nutritionist mentioned the antibiotic this was the first reference I had on this aspect.
Sandhusker, the projections at this meeting were of the percentage of feed corn that will be used by the ethanol producers, 25% when the distilleries come on line, going up to 75% ,based on this projection, ( this is grain sourced east of the Mississippi ) the company has already purchased next years corn from Brazil ahead, and will be buying on the world market for all future feed grain requirements to keep competitive in the meat market.

But how much corn will be displaced by distiller's grain?
 
Maybe the stuff I have fed is different than the process used in DDG>

I fed wheat middlings or shorts, and was assured that the energy was equivilant to barley..it wasn't.

I agree this is a a good deal for cattle, ruminants can use many feeds other animals can't.

Katrina, are you feeding to finish with no corn, just distillers grain?

If it indeed has the energy needed to fatten cattle, it is even a better advantage for the cttle industry.
 
Katrina, I asked the hubby what we feed and the answer was he is increasing to 25% of the total ration fed. Hay,corn silage,protien, corn and wet DDG's. I know of some going 30% or slightly higher but we will try this step first.
 
So my original comments are valid, the cattle industry will benefit from DDG because of wintering and cowherd feeding rather than 100% fattening.

The levels in fat rations seems consistant with what hogs are getting.

Has anyone got the numbers on chickens? Can they add 30% to a chicken ration? Maybe layers?
 
Jason said:
So my original comments are valid, the cattle industry will benefit from DDG because of wintering and cowherd feeding rather than 100% fattening.

The levels in fat rations seems consistant with what hogs are getting.

Has anyone got the numbers on chickens? Can they add 30% to a chicken ration? Maybe layers?

The fattening aspect will benefit too. Most feedyards are scrambling to get DDG's because of the low cost. They (the ones who have access to it) are presently using 25 to 30% DDG's.

Some are getting it free and only pay for the hauling.
 
Sandhusker said:
andybob said:
Jason, a couple of us at the meeting breed cattle, and were interested in the possibility of an oversupply of brewer's grain that could be utilised by the cattle industry, when the head nutritionist mentioned the antibiotic this was the first reference I had on this aspect.
Sandhusker, the projections at this meeting were of the percentage of feed corn that will be used by the ethanol producers, 25% when the distilleries come on line, going up to 75% ,based on this projection, ( this is grain sourced east of the Mississippi ) the company has already purchased next years corn from Brazil ahead, and will be buying on the world market for all future feed grain requirements to keep competitive in the meat market.

But how much corn will be displaced by distiller's grain?
Since the reduction in tons from corn to DDG is 3 to 1, we can say that 1/3 of the corn that is diverted to ethanol will be replaced by DDG. That still leaves us wondering how much corn has been diverted to ethanol.

But also some soybean or cottonseed can be replaced by DDG since it is higher in protein. (30% range). I'm sure the market can adjust, it's just that the sudden (government subsidized) demand for corn for ethanol has screwed things up for a while. The government may as well have ordered a transfer of wealth from feeders to corn dealers. The government subsidy has had that effect.
 
Mike said:
Jason said:
So my original comments are valid, the cattle industry will benefit from DDG because of wintering and cowherd feeding rather than 100% fattening.

The levels in fat rations seems consistant with what hogs are getting.

Has anyone got the numbers on chickens? Can they add 30% to a chicken ration? Maybe layers?

The fattening aspect will benefit too. Most feedyards are scrambling to get DDG's because of the low cost. They (the ones who have access to it) are presently using 25 to 30% DDG's.

Some are getting it free and only pay for the hauling.

I think you are talking about the wet distillers grain which technically is not called DDG (dried distiller's grain). Wet is hard to handle, hard to store and QUIET wet, and therefore cheap.
 
ocm said:
Sandhusker said:
andybob said:
Jason, a couple of us at the meeting breed cattle, and were interested in the possibility of an oversupply of brewer's grain that could be utilised by the cattle industry, when the head nutritionist mentioned the antibiotic this was the first reference I had on this aspect.
Sandhusker, the projections at this meeting were of the percentage of feed corn that will be used by the ethanol producers, 25% when the distilleries come on line, going up to 75% ,based on this projection, ( this is grain sourced east of the Mississippi ) the company has already purchased next years corn from Brazil ahead, and will be buying on the world market for all future feed grain requirements to keep competitive in the meat market.

But how much corn will be displaced by distiller's grain?
Since the reduction in tons from corn to DDG is 3 to 1, we can say that 1/3 of the corn that is diverted to ethanol will be replaced by DDG. That still leaves us wondering how much corn has been diverted to ethanol.

But also some soybean or cottonseed can be replaced by DDG since it is higher in protein. (30% range). I'm sure the market can adjust, it's just that the sudden (government subsidized) demand for corn for ethanol has screwed things up for a while. The government may as well have ordered a transfer of wealth from feeders to corn dealers. The government subsidy has had that effect.

One thing about the corn prices, there shouldn't be any corn LDP payments this year. That should save Uncle Mike a pretty penny. Maybe he could use some of the money saved and do some more BSE testing so our customers can gain more trust and we can get to the bottom of our infectivity.

Personally, I think the corn markets have gotten way ahead of them selves. I'm calling the market high soon, if not already in. I can't believe that we go from a multi-year glut of corn to a shortage in one year - with another huge crop destined for the bins. If I was farming, I'd have next year's crop sold.
 

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