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Commstocks take on the PSA:

The Picket Versus IBP suit essentially charged that USDA failed to enforce Packers and Stockyards Act statutes. The jury agreed. The judge changed the rules, instructing the jury to find under the more demanding standards of the Sherman and Clayton Act antitrust laws. When they did, the judge set aside the verdict, rendering jury trial pointless. The USDA's office of Inspector General recently released a scathing investigation of GIPSA enforcement of the P & S Act, confirming charges made in the Pickett suit, confirming the jury finding. Dr. Robert Taylor, who testified for the plaintiffs in the Pickett trial, quoted Thurman Arnold, who said, "The competitive struggle without effective antitrust enforcement is like a fight without a referee." He concluded, "It sure looks like cattlemen are in a fight without referees, judges are ignoring the plain language of the law, and overstepping their authority, and GIPSA is not enforcing the Packers & Stockyards Act."

It would appear that we have a choice: Either strike the P & S Act, eliminating the illusion now confirmed by the Inspector General of the agency's remiss livestock market oversight, or enforce the act as intended. The government has been paying current GIPSA referees to do nothing, at the behest of special interest groups within the industry, which abhor all regulatory oversight, seeing it as interference into the game they now control. In their interest, "owning the referee" was better than not having one, because of the way it looks to those on the outside of the industry. The referees were intended to level the playing field for all players, but the USDA Inspector General reported they were not only not watching the game, but making up phony reports they'd attended. GIPSA, as is currently being operated, is a total waste of taxpayer money. They should at least make the packing industry pay the referees, as they are making all calls one sided in their favor. In this fight, independent producers can be pummeled below the belt by unfair packer trade practices with punches approved by GIPSA. Any GIPSA referee wanting to call a fair fight was often "promoted" or "relieved of duty" by the industry captured agency.

Having failed in the courts, with the referee playing on the packer's team, cattlemen have one other recourse to force GIPSA P & S Act enforcement; that is new legislation. Senator's Tom Harkin, Mike Enzi, and Craig Thomas introduced the "competitive and fair agricultural markets act of 2006 co-sponsored by Chuck Grassley. "The act proposes several changes at USDA in response to a USDA Inspector General's report last month that said USDA officials were not enforcing the Packers & Stockyard's Act." Specifically, the legislation would "Establish a USDA Office of Special Council, whose responsibility will be to investigate and prosecute violations on competition matters; Strengthen producer protections by making it easier for producers to prove unfair actions by packers, without additional burdens of having to prove adverse affects on competition; Strengthen USDA's authority in enforcing the Packers and Stockyards Act over the poultry industry, and making it more in line with livestock; Prohibit unfair or deceptive practices by a person that affects the marketing, receiving, purchasing, sale or contracting of agricultural commodities; Provide contract protections to ensure that the contract clearly spells out what is required of the producer. Producers would be given at least three days to review or cancel the contract. The legislation would prevent confidentiality clauses, so that producers are free to share the contract with family members or a lawyer to help them decide whether or not they should sign it. Producers would be protected from having their contracts prematurely terminated if they have made a sizeable capital investment. The legislation also prevents mandatory arbitration, so that companies do not prevent producers from going to the courts to speak out against unfair actions; Prevent discrimination against producers belonging to an organization or cooperative by removing a disclaimer clause allowing processors, handlers, or contractors to refuse to do business with producers just because they belong to such organizations."

"The proposed legislation would remove language in the PSA, making it easier for producers to prove unfair and deceptive market practices by packers. Recent actions by courts across the country have put producers on the defensive. They've been forced to carry an unfair burden by being required to show the competitive harm to themselves, as well as to everyone in the industry. This is an almost impossible situation. This bill would put fairness into the system by making it so producers only have to prove competitive harm to themselves, or for the particular case in question."

Chances of passage? None. The same special interests which have effectively taken control of the GIPSA referees have also invested in key Congressman, who will see that the measure never comes up for a vote in Congress. They own GIPSA, they own the USDA, they own Congress. All that bull about how U.S. government works taught in civics class to children is illusion. School lessons on how government is supposed to work and how government actually works "are different things." The USDA Inspector General's reports, citing the failings of GIPSA, will change nothing. The USDA will review it and take whatever action is necessary to create the appearance of compliance without effecting any. GIPSA serves their purposes, creating illusions, providing them cover they can operate under. I commend the U.S. Senate for trying. Captive Supply of livestock will increase, not decrease, as it's value during tightened supply periods of livestock production cycles was impressed deeply into packer's wallets over recent months. They don't like competitive livestock's markets, and will do whatever is within their means to retain control of the referee, if there has to be one, so that competition is diminished or even suffocated, leaving them in control of price discovery.
 
As usual, I have more questions than answers. In the history of the NCBA, they state with great pride that they were instrumental in helping to write and pass the P&S Act. Why are some from this organization against enforcing the very laws that they themselves helped write. I don't think we would ever need to write another law for anything, if we just enforced the ones in place now. (and I might add: 'with equal justice for all'! Not to pick and choose who the laws apply to!)
 
Econ101 said:
With the money.

Is that not the same way the Harkin, Enzi and Thomas will vote? Are you suggesting they have not received any funds at all from the blamers and complainers?
 
agman said:
Econ101 said:
With the money.

Is that not the same way the Harkin, Enzi and Thomas will vote? Are you suggesting they have not received any funds at all from the blamers and complainers?

Agman, you once made a comment about this. Why don't you tell us how the roll call will go?
 
agman said:
Econ101 said:
With the money.

Is that not the same way the Harkin, Enzi and Thomas will vote? Are you suggesting they have not received any funds at all from the blamers and complainers?

It's a damn shame we have to even debate about which politician is getting a kickback from whoever. Is there nothing that money won't buy? :???:
 
Mike said:
agman said:
Econ101 said:
With the money.

Is that not the same way the Harkin, Enzi and Thomas will vote? Are you suggesting they have not received any funds at all from the blamers and complainers?

It's a damn shame we have to even debate about which politician is getting a kickback from whoever. Is there nothing that money won't buy? :???:

Love.
 
agman said:
Econ101 said:
With the money.

Is that not the same way the Harkin, Enzi and Thomas will vote? Are you suggesting they have not received any funds at all from the blamers and complainers?

I looked up contribution sources for various politicians. I saw where the money from "Agribusiness" went, but didn't see a column for "Blamers and Complainers".
 
I have to agree with fedup2.....NCBA has said volumes by saying nothing in regards to GIPSA's report....

NCBA has let themselves become entangled in a political web that does not allow them to represent the cattlemen like the NCA did.......A web where money talks louder than ethics.....
 
Are we to understand from your comments that you anti-agribusiness people want to fund election campaigns with federal tax dollars and strictly regulated campaigns? I'm not sure that is the best way to make politics more palatable.

Maybe it would be better to allow anyone to contribute any amount and make it crystal clear who gave what to whom. As it is now, the George Soros types have way too much influence and there is no mechanism forcing them to be honest in what they say about opposing or even their own candidates.

It seems they operate like some on this website do......they just throw crap and hope some of their dirty assertions stick and do some harm.....with those accused given the burden of proving their innocence. What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?

In case anyone wonders, I refer to Econ and OT most especially using innuendo, cheap shots and accusations with NO verification.

OT & fedup2, are you very sure you know what NCBA does or does not do in the political arena? Are you members of the committees or the PAC that may be involved? Do you have "inside" information? Until you see a press release stating what the organization is doing, or read testimony before Congressional committees, how would you know what NCBA "thinks" or does, as you have sometimes claimed?

Those who are quick to assume they KNOW what others are thinking or even doing, let alone why, often are truly the LAST to know the facts of a given situation. Going out and telling the world what they "know" often exposes just how little they really do know.

MRJ
 
Oldtimer said:
I have to agree with fedup2.....NCBA has said volumes by saying nothing in regards to GIPSA's report....

NCBA has let themselves become entangled in a political web that does not allow them to represent the cattlemen like the NCA did.......A web where money talks louder than ethics.....

Does their silence have anything to do with the Fifth Amendment?
 
Latest News;Salazar takes on Meat Packers

Written by Sen. Salazar


Tuesday, 07 March 2006
Cherry Creek - In January, a U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) audit uncovered a broad cover-up in the Department's Grain Inspection, Packers and Stockyards Administration (GIPSA) where phony investigations were logged to keep up appearances of enforcement while none were taking place. Senator Ken Salazar pushed the Senate Agriculture Committee to hold hearings to determine what can be done to prevent this kind of fraud in the future. The hearings will take place Thursday, March 9th.
"These hearings will provide our committee the opportunity to question those responsible for the apparent fraud within the program," Salazar said. "We must act immediately to restore the trust of the American people in their government."

A USDA Inspector General audit has determined that since 1999, the USDA has not filed a single formal complaint for anti-competitive behavior in the meat or poultry industry. In addition, the audit found that the Packers and Stockyards Program, has rarely conducted a large investigation or focused on a major packing firm, and that senior USDA officials prevented anti-competitive investigations from being referred to department lawyers, capable of filing complaints or referring cases to the Justice Department for further action. At the same time, USDA employees padded their enforcement action numbers by counting routine correspondence and reviews of public data.

"Our Nation's small, independent ranchers have far too many obstacles placed in front of them already," added Salazar. "We must hold those responsible accountable for this gross misconduct and we must ensure that such negligence cannot happen again."

Expected to testify are GIPSA Administrator James Link, USDA Inspector General Phyllis Fong and a representative of the Government Accountability Office.

Earlier this year, Senator Salazar joined a bipartisan group of Senators including Senators Grassley (R-IA), Dorgan (D-ND), Dayton (D-MN), Enzi (R-WY), Harkin (D-IA), Johnson (D-SD), and Thune (R-SD), in cosponsoring legislation to ban packer ownership and ensure market access for large and small cattle producers. The packer ownership provisions were included in the Senate-passed version of the 2002 farm bill, but were removed from the final farm bill. Currently, four meatpackers control over 80 percent of the beef market. Surveys done by the Colorado Department of Agriculture have cited steady declines in the number of cattle across the state. In 2004, Colorado reported the lowest inventory of cattle since 1962. Furthermore, in 2002, 60 percent of farms and ranches in Colorado had annual sales of less than $10,000.


Last Updated ( Tuesday, 07 March 2006 )
 
MRJ, You write: ["OT & fedup2, are you very sure you know what NCBA does or does not do in the political arena? Are you members of the committees or the PAC that may be involved? Do you have "inside" information? Until you see a press release stating what the organization is doing, or read testimony before Congressional committees, how would you know what NCBA "thinks" or does, as you have sometimes claimed? "]

Please point out where I have claimed anything! :???: Please point out where I made a political statement of any kind! :???: I asked the question why some NCBA members (including some on this site), were against enforcing the rules that they helped write. I also stated that we wouldn't need any more laws-rules if the ones we already have were enforced. Is this the standard answer? When you don't like the question, attempt to put the poster down? And do so with crap that I didn't even write. :mad: Thanks for answering the question for me. :roll: :roll:

You also write:["It seems they operate like some on this website do......they just throw crap and hope some of their dirty assertions stick and do some harm.....with those accused given the burden of proving their innocence. What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?]

Now re-read my post and remember what you just wrote. Then maybe you better think about washing a little of that crap off of your hands also!
:mad:
 
MRJ said:
Are we to understand from your comments that you anti-agribusiness people want to fund election campaigns with federal tax dollars and strictly regulated campaigns? I'm not sure that is the best way to make politics more palatable.



OT & fedup2, are you very sure you know what NCBA does or does not do in the political arena? Are you members of the committees or the PAC that may be involved? Do you have "inside" information? Until you see a press release stating what the organization is doing, or read testimony before Congressional committees, how would you know what NCBA "thinks" or does, as you have sometimes claimed?



MRJ

Maxine- I forgot...NCBA does its operating in the back rooms and under the table...They prefer not to take an open position-when they might have to flipflop on it tomorrow when their handlers start jerking their chain :roll: :lol: ......
 
A HOT time in the OLD town Tommorow*********These hearings will provide our committee the opportunity to question those responsible for the apparent fraud within the program,"
 
MRJ said:
Are we to understand from your comments that you anti-agribusiness people want to fund election campaigns with federal tax dollars and strictly regulated campaigns? I'm not sure that is the best way to make politics more palatable.

Maybe it would be better to allow anyone to contribute any amount and make it crystal clear who gave what to whom. As it is now, the George Soros types have way too much influence and there is no mechanism forcing them to be honest in what they say about opposing or even their own candidates.

It seems they operate like some on this website do......they just throw crap and hope some of their dirty assertions stick and do some harm.....with those accused given the burden of proving their innocence. What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?

In case anyone wonders, I refer to Econ and OT most especially using innuendo, cheap shots and accusations with NO verification.

OT & fedup2, are you very sure you know what NCBA does or does not do in the political arena? Are you members of the committees or the PAC that may be involved? Do you have "inside" information? Until you see a press release stating what the organization is doing, or read testimony before Congressional committees, how would you know what NCBA "thinks" or does, as you have sometimes claimed?

Those who are quick to assume they KNOW what others are thinking or even doing, let alone why, often are truly the LAST to know the facts of a given situation. Going out and telling the world what they "know" often exposes just how little they really do know.

MRJ

MRJ, I had a neighbor once that claimed she could get drunk off of water. If you aren't drinking alcohol, could this be your problem?

The OIG report is not innuendo or a cheap shot. Of course you wouldn't know because the NCBA hasn't given you their position yet. Would you just stop connecting everyone with the liberal guy you seem to hate at the moment an focus on what is happening? Maybe you should put your ice tea down before posting.
 
OK, fedup2, I will reconsider your post. Was it, or wasn't it a "political statement" when you commented on NCBA history of support in writing the P&S Act, then added: "Why are some from this org. against enforcing the laws they helped write?" Isn't that industry politics? And which NCBA members have you heard make that comment? I know of none who want laws ignored. We work to change laws that no longer serve cattle producers well. By asking that question, weren't you making that charge or claim against NCBA members, yet providing no names or press statement to corroborate it? Maybe you believe your question is innocent, I'm not so sure, until you tell us your basis for your comment/question.

Econ, when you lie that "NCBA hasn't given you their position yet", it indicates you are willing to lie about other things as well. Why should anyone believe you at all?

OT, the same apples to your "back rooms and under the table" comment, among others. Your ridiculous trash talk about NCBA all too predictable. If you are attempting to build up your Rcalf outfit by tearing down NCBA......you must not have much in the way of results for your outfit to talk about.

BTW, Mike, aren't political "kickbacks" illegal? How do you define the difference between "kickbacks" and campaign contributions? Or do you believe there is no difference? How are good people supposed to help good candidates get elected if not via campaign contributions?

MRJ
 
MRJ said:
OK, fedup2, I will reconsider your post. Was it, or wasn't it a "political statement" when you commented on NCBA history of support in writing the P&S Act, then added: "Why are some from this org. against enforcing the laws they helped write?" Isn't that industry politics? And which NCBA members have you heard make that comment? I know of none who want laws ignored. We work to change laws that no longer serve cattle producers well. By asking that question, weren't you making that charge or claim against NCBA members, yet providing no names or press statement to corroborate it? Maybe you believe your question is innocent, I'm not so sure, until you tell us your basis for your comment/question.

Econ, when you lie that "NCBA hasn't given you their position yet", it indicates you are willing to lie about other things as well. Why should anyone believe you at all?

OT, the same apples to your "back rooms and under the table" comment, among others. Your ridiculous trash talk about NCBA all too predictable. If you are attempting to build up your Rcalf outfit by tearing down NCBA......you must not have much in the way of results for your outfit to talk about.

BTW, Mike, aren't political "kickbacks" illegal? How do you define the difference between "kickbacks" and campaign contributions? Or do you believe there is no difference? How are good people supposed to help good candidates get elected if not via campaign contributions?

MRJ

Okay, MRJ, liar caller, what is NCBA's position on the OIG GIPSA report? Is it another secret from an organization that has a lot of them? Give us the position, MRJ. Bring it forth, unless it is just too ridiculous for you to post.
 

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