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Mike
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rancher said:
They have partenered up with "Via Trace".
ViaTrace begins take-on of data for NAIS
Tuesday, January 03, 2006
ViaTrace has commenced working with the National Cattlemen's Beef Association to populate ViaHerd, the core platform for the multi-species National Animal ID system with data from several volunteer entities. This pilot will enable a roll-out of the live NAIS in January 2006.
www.viatrace.com
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rancher said:
It kind of like the USDA now calling it a "voluntary" program- but that if they don't have everyone "volunteer" by 2009 they will make it mandatory :???: :roll:
Negative heat was getting hot -so they had to go behind the scenes and work their programs out of the backrooms- and keep things a little more hush hush....Normal NCBA/USDA operating procedure.......
We'll educate them thar dum folks to what they really want :wink: :lol:
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Mike said:
Soapweed needs to see this...Something I learned a few years ago--What his precious group tells you to your face and what they do behind your back are not one and the same... :roll:
Mike
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Oldtimer said:Mike said:
Soapweed needs to see this...Something I learned a few years ago--What his precious group tells you to your face and what they do behind your back are not one and the same... :roll:
We will hear of Viatrace many times by the NCBA before ID becomes mandatory. You can bet the NCBA will be pushing it hard.
You do understand that if the NCBA has it's hands on a database they will be able to track the checkoff bucks that aren't paid. The database will track ALL movements of cattle.
rancher said:
About two years ago there was a meeting for NAIS in Denver. There was one representative from R-CALF there and there was a representative from LMA. The rest were NCBA.
The R-CALF rep told the group that if the NCBA tried to make money from a mandatory ID program, they would have more trouble than they have over the checkoff. There was deathly silence. Then shortly, somebody from the back (who was evidently hard of hearing and had not heard what was going on on the panel) spoke up loudly and said, "Hey, we can buy those tags for two bucks and sell them for three and make money on it."
Who do you think they listened to?
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ocm said:
Now that sounds like the NCBA I've grown to know so well-- Any way to make another buck off the backs of the producer- while proclaiming to all that they are helping them :roll: .....
PORKER
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Hey Folks, thats why the rest of the world uses www.scoringag.com .
Least cost ag database that also handles every commodity and does every species of animal ID for NAIS ,Crops and FEEDS and trucking records for FDA, and EPA records as well. Just click google,ad the one word,ScoringAg ,check out just how many countrys reports their are.
Least cost ag database that also handles every commodity and does every species of animal ID for NAIS ,Crops and FEEDS and trucking records for FDA, and EPA records as well. Just click google,ad the one word,ScoringAg ,check out just how many countrys reports their are.
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How unfortunate that the R-CALF representative was so uninformed on the issues that he actually thought the NCBA made money on the checkoff. Understandably it would be silent after a remark like that. At the time, I probably wouldn't have believed the stupidity of that statement either but I'm starting to get used to them coming from the blamer's camp.
In regards to whatever OCM thought his point was, as if NCBA's direction on "M"ID was a decision between someone who didn't know any better than to think NCBA made money off the beef checkoff and someone who thought NCBA would buy the tags for $2 and sell them for $3. I would assume the second response was a joke unless you are too ignorant to recognize it like OCM.
~SH~
PORKER
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Least cost ag database that also handles every commodity and does every species of animal ID for NAIS ,Crops and FEEDS and trucking records for FDA, and EPA records as well. Just click google,ad the one word,ScoringAg ,check out just how many countrys reports their are.
Anyone interested in honesty might want to check out some of the ludicrous claims in this thread.
First, rancher, the Allflex "BeefUSA" tags are just one of many from various companies that a producer may choose to use on his/her cattle for the identification program. Neither that tag, nor the ViaTrace one are the "official" tag for USAIO or NAIS. No one HAS to buy either of those tags. Anyone, including NCBA, can make a tag and still not have anything to do with the USAIO, since that group will accept many tags from many companies. No monopoly there! Actually, I would prefer there be strict limitations (such as if you use that "BeefUSA" 'brand', you must be loyal to it and NCBA) on who may be able to buy those tags, but doubt my wishes will prevail. BTW, rancher, have you ever heard any NCBA leader say the organization "had nothing to do with the ID program"? Actually, there is nothing sinister here, NCBA members decided it looked like that will become the law of the land, and we wanted to be sure it would do what it needs to do, and maybe even serve the cattle producer with a means to communicate, possibly all the way to the consumer what our cattle are and what they are capable of doing for each segment of this industry, with each owner controlling his own information. NCBA does NOT run the USAIO which is a multiple species organization totally separate from NCBA.
IMO,whether or not NCBA makes money on those tags should concern ONLY the members of that organization and other people who CHOOSE to use them because they want their cattle identified with NCBA's BeefUSA logo and the superior product NCBA stands for in everything they do.
Econ, NCBA has had the "BeefUSA" logo for a considerable period of time, maybe you didn't know?
OT, because YOU did not know, doesn't mean members who were interested and involved in NCBA did not know the extent of the work on animal ID. You present NO facts.....again!
Mike, the fact that NCBA has their logo on tags, whether they do or do not make money off the sale, DOES NOT mean that they will have ANY control of data, the tag owner (cattle producer buying and using the tag) and USAIO, and IF NECESSARY for animal or human safety, the government, will be the ones with control of and access to that data.
Mike, you are a dreamer if you believe the CBB does not ALREADY have multiple ways and means of checking and cross-checking to assure compliance with payment of the beef checkoff!
Porker, did you realize you just revealed that your ID company is working for the evil government????? How can any cattle producer trust such an outfit???? Just kidding, but you must admit that is the attitude several on this website exhibit toward anyone even remotely connected with USDA, GIPSA, et. al.
MRJ
First, rancher, the Allflex "BeefUSA" tags are just one of many from various companies that a producer may choose to use on his/her cattle for the identification program. Neither that tag, nor the ViaTrace one are the "official" tag for USAIO or NAIS. No one HAS to buy either of those tags. Anyone, including NCBA, can make a tag and still not have anything to do with the USAIO, since that group will accept many tags from many companies. No monopoly there! Actually, I would prefer there be strict limitations (such as if you use that "BeefUSA" 'brand', you must be loyal to it and NCBA) on who may be able to buy those tags, but doubt my wishes will prevail. BTW, rancher, have you ever heard any NCBA leader say the organization "had nothing to do with the ID program"? Actually, there is nothing sinister here, NCBA members decided it looked like that will become the law of the land, and we wanted to be sure it would do what it needs to do, and maybe even serve the cattle producer with a means to communicate, possibly all the way to the consumer what our cattle are and what they are capable of doing for each segment of this industry, with each owner controlling his own information. NCBA does NOT run the USAIO which is a multiple species organization totally separate from NCBA.
IMO,whether or not NCBA makes money on those tags should concern ONLY the members of that organization and other people who CHOOSE to use them because they want their cattle identified with NCBA's BeefUSA logo and the superior product NCBA stands for in everything they do.
Econ, NCBA has had the "BeefUSA" logo for a considerable period of time, maybe you didn't know?
OT, because YOU did not know, doesn't mean members who were interested and involved in NCBA did not know the extent of the work on animal ID. You present NO facts.....again!
Mike, the fact that NCBA has their logo on tags, whether they do or do not make money off the sale, DOES NOT mean that they will have ANY control of data, the tag owner (cattle producer buying and using the tag) and USAIO, and IF NECESSARY for animal or human safety, the government, will be the ones with control of and access to that data.
Mike, you are a dreamer if you believe the CBB does not ALREADY have multiple ways and means of checking and cross-checking to assure compliance with payment of the beef checkoff!
Porker, did you realize you just revealed that your ID company is working for the evil government????? How can any cattle producer trust such an outfit???? Just kidding, but you must admit that is the attitude several on this website exhibit toward anyone even remotely connected with USDA, GIPSA, et. al.
MRJ
PORKER
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MRJ QUOTE,,,,,,,Porker, did you realize you just revealed that your ID company is working for the evil government????? How can any cattle producer trust such an outfit???? Just kidding,
but you must admit that is the attitude several on this website exhibit toward anyone even remotely connected with USDA,
MRJ, when it comes to honest groups www.ScoringAg.com is it.They have creditability worldwide from good governments and bad ones.Nobody messes with screwing ScoringAg as they will be Labeled for life as don't trade with THEM period!!!!
but you must admit that is the attitude several on this website exhibit toward anyone even remotely connected with USDA,
MRJ, when it comes to honest groups www.ScoringAg.com is it.They have creditability worldwide from good governments and bad ones.Nobody messes with screwing ScoringAg as they will be Labeled for life as don't trade with THEM period!!!!
PORKER said:
MRJ, you might want to try to speak only for the NCBA. You have no standing to speak for anyone else. You continualoly get the issues/policy decisions/discussions confused.
Who has had an attiude against porker's deal on this site? We are all concerned about the USDA and their proven ability to put packers over producers in policy issues.
Have you asked NCBA why we haven't had hearings into why GIPSA was so mishandled by a small group of policy makers?
PORKER said:
Porker, when you say "Nobody messes with them (ScoringAg) or they will be Labeled for life as don't trade with THEM period!!!", doesn't it seem the least bit dangerous for ScoringAg to have that kind of power? What if they get mad at a company and decide for whatever reason to blacklist them?
I really have no problem with ScoringAg and they sound like a great company, and was speaking somewhat in jest, but according to how some on this site seem prone to claiming or hinting; that such great power breeds contempt/corruption/controlling-the-world-for-greed! What is making ScoringAg immune from those evil traits?
Poor Econ, I almost forgot to address your ridiculous accusations!
Darn, I thought we all had the "right" on this site to point out what we see, read, hear, etc. I know you have done that and seem to me to be acting as though you have that right. Why would you deny me the same right.
Now just how is what I said about ScoringAg possibly becoming suspect by some of you conspiracy theorists different or worse than you saying "we are all concerned about USDA...."? Who is "we"? Some of us prefer to give USDA the benefit of the doubt until such time as they are PROVEN guilty of actual mis-conduct, or some crime, rather than casting doubts, innuendo, etc. What proof, or even logical example, have you to show us how USDA is putting packers over producers on policy issues?
Why should anyone ask NCBA why there haven't been hearings on GIPSA????
Last I heard from any credible source, Congress and the President have control over USDA, and Congress gave them 90 days to get GIPSA back on track. Why shouldn't we allow that process to play out before condemning them without a fair trial? BTW, who is that "small group of policy makers" to which you refer, just teasing us to guess, or what?
MRJ
MRJ
Sandhusker
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MRJ, "Why should anyone ask NCBA why there haven't been hearings on GIPSA???? "
Ummmm, MRJ, it is because it was producers getting the short end of no investigations - the very people NCBA claims to represent. :shock:
NCBA's deafening silence reveals who they represent.
Ummmm, MRJ, it is because it was producers getting the short end of no investigations - the very people NCBA claims to represent. :shock:
NCBA's deafening silence reveals who they represent.
MRJ said:
MRJ, Congressional Hearings are the only "trial" that they get. The problem with your reasoning is that you don't seem to want the "trial" to take place. Ironically, this is the same reason the OIG report was critical of JoAnn Waterfield and GIPSA--there were no investigations. The Congressional Hearings are the investigation into GIPSA's workings.
Do you know who Scooter Libby is? Do you see how that case is being handled? The allegation is that JoAnn Waterfield was using her position to squash producer investigations into fraud by those it regulates. There is a strong parallel here to what actions Could be taken to get to the truth. Do we need a special prosecutor to get to the bottom of these allegations? Allowing JoAnn and GIPSA to have a free ride on this one is protecting the ones they were doing the frauds for.
Why do you keep posting on things you should know about but obviously do not? Your bias is apparent.
Econ101 said:
Quite the contrary! My bias is that I want the facts and truth brought out. You are not in possession of an accurate crystal ball when you claim that I "do not seem to want the "trial" to take place". Nothing I said indicated that in any way.
BTW, I did happen to notice the charges leveled at Scooter Libby. It sounds as if much of the press has him painted as guilty without a trial, just like you do to people and corporations and USDA on this site. What in the process, to date, in his case do you specifically find is being handled improperly, and by whom? What evidence do you have access to to verify your claim and charge that Waterfield actually was "using her position to squash producer investigations..."? I suppose you will fail to answer these questions just like you didn't answer the ones in my previous post. It's sad, but revealing of your character that all you have is allegation, innuendo, and accusations to support your premise of "fraud and bias against USDA" and even of your assumption of my personal biases and that I do not know anything about subjects on which I post.
MRJ