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jodywy

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anybody got a neighbor on this list #3 borders me on two sides only way he could put everything together is buy me out


http://www.landreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2010LandReport100.pdf
 
I guess I'm not used to that kind of BIG country. I was just amazed at the size of some of those ranches. It is interesting to compare carrying capacities and land prices in different areas. It would take 58 acres per animal unit on the Bell and they were asking $286 per acre. Here the land would probably run over $1,000 to $1,200 per acre but we can run a cow/calf pair on 7 acres plus some hay ground for winter feed, not more than 10 acres total. It does seem like that the total investment per cow doesn't vary that much from one part of the country to another, it's just such a different environment.
 
I personally know 2 of them. Moursund's have quite a bit of ground around here. And when I farmed out in Colorado, I met most of the Linneburs. At one time they had quite a bunch of buffalo.
 
Brad Kelley brought some places all round me think his land men wanted to put alot of river bottom together. Needs mine to tie what he has together and another neigbor told them to back off.
Know he has a ranch in the pinedale- big piny country that got into a wreck, selling hay then not having any for the stock, but there a new manager on it now.
 
Im less than 20 miles from number 1, neighbor with number 10, was cowboss for number 18,one of my sisters and brother in law work for number 45. years ago i worked on the neighboring ranch of number 35, have friends who work for number 46. To me it is surprising that there are some who made it with less than one hundred thousand acres. I figured there were a lot more big outfits especially from what I have heard out of Nevada! :wink:
 
I've done a little fishing next to the King Ranch and I understand it's shrunk a great deal since it's early day's. I have a brand somewhere, from the ranch, that would span about 12" wide. My understanding was that they made 'em that big to be able to identify their cattle from a distance. Land out that way and further west is pretty cheap if you don't mind a constant flow of illegals crossing over.
 
It was interesting. We know some of the people involved, either owners, family members, managers, or employees, in several of them.

Have also visited or driven through or past many of them in travels around the country.

It has been interesting so see a little of how some are managed, and we were favorably impressed, contrary to what might be expected.

It is good to see so many are family ranches, and the owners love ranching, whether or not that is their major activity.

The surprising thing to me is that they are not bigger.

The Parker ranch on the Big Island, Hawaii, was not listed and I thought it was one of the largest in the country, let alone Hawaii. We have had a behind the scenes visit to that one several years ago while attending a
mrj
 
mrj said:
It was interesting. We know some of the people involved, either owners, family members, managers, or employees, in several of them.

Have also visited or driven through or past many of them in travels around the country.

It has been interesting so see a little of how some are managed, and we were favorably impressed, contrary to what might be expected.

It is good to see so many are family ranches, and the owners love ranching, whether or not that is their major activity.

The surprising thing to me is that they are not bigger.

The Parker ranch on the Big Island, Hawaii, was not listed and I thought it was one of the largest in the country, let alone Hawaii. We have had a behind the scenes visit to that one several years ago while attending a
mrj
Think you want this list, some own more cows then land.
http://www.northernag.net/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=2AI4SOL8_H8%3d&tabid=171
 
Red Barn Angus said:
I guess I'm not used to that kind of BIG country. I was just amazed at the size of some of those ranches. It is interesting to compare carrying capacities and land prices in different areas. It would take 58 acres per animal unit on the Bell and they were asking $286 per acre. Here the land would probably run over $1,000 to $1,200 per acre but we can run a cow/calf pair on 7 acres plus some hay ground for winter feed, not more than 10 acres total. It does seem like that the total investment per cow doesn't vary that much from one part of the country to another, it's just such a different environment.

Like the story about the Texan and Wyoming rancher talking about their respective spreads. The Wyoming rancher asked the Texan how big his place was. The Texan replied 10 acres to which the Wyoming hand got a good laugh and ribbed the Texan. He asked the Texan what he named his so called ranch. The Texan allowed that folks called it Downtown Dallas.
 
Shortgrass said:
Red Barn Angus said:
I guess I'm not used to that kind of BIG country. I was just amazed at the size of some of those ranches. It is interesting to compare carrying capacities and land prices in different areas. It would take 58 acres per animal unit on the Bell and they were asking $286 per acre. Here the land would probably run over $1,000 to $1,200 per acre but we can run a cow/calf pair on 7 acres plus some hay ground for winter feed, not more than 10 acres total. It does seem like that the total investment per cow doesn't vary that much from one part of the country to another, it's just such a different environment.

Like the story about the Texan and Wyoming rancher talking about their respective spreads. The Wyoming rancher asked the Texan how big his place was. The Texan replied 10 acres to which the Wyoming hand got a good laugh and ribbed the Texan. He asked the Texan what he named his so called ranch. The Texan allowed that folks called it Downtown Dallas.

Good story :D
We were going through some papers of Dad's and there was a letter of agreement on the first Quarter Horse stud my Dad bought back in 1961. The sale price was $500 dollars for Bear Trap and son of Bear Cat and Dad paid $250 down with the balance to be paid in the fall. The seller was a oil man from Calgary with his office on 8th Ave downtown Calgary, which now days is probably just about like downtown Dallas. :-)
 
When most hear the term "hobby ranch" they think of the guy with 7 head. Some of you that live near these operations probably look at them as hobby operations as they darn sure will never operate at a profit. Probably make a good investment though compared to the way some other investments have gone these days. Probably makes little difference to most of them anyway. Just a place to park money.
Some rich fellas buy themselves a sports team and some buy ranches.
 
Friend of mine went to manage one of these in the top half. He'll be a good manager in many ways and will have the chance to raise his kids in a ranching environment. Great situation for both owner and manager. Neighbors should be pleased to share fences with the crew that I have met there.
 
John Malone Overtakes Ted Turner as Largest Individual Landowner in the U.S.



Monte Burke, Forbes, Mar. 10 2011 - 11:41 am



Land Grab: Media Mogul John Malone recently became the largest individual landowner in the U.S., edging out old friend, Ted Turner.



When asked about the source of his lust for land, John C. Malone laughs. "My wife says it's the Irish gene. A certain land hunger comes from being denied property ownership for so many generations."



Malone, the 70-year-old billionaire chairman of Liberty Media, has well sated that hunger. He started his land feast slowly nearly two decades ago, collecting parcels in Wyoming, New Mexico and Colorado. By the beginning of last year he had nearly 1 million acres. But in the last seven months, as property prices and the cost of borrowing have dropped, the hard-bargaining cable magnate's land grab shifted into overdrive.



In August Malone bought the 290,100-acre Bell Ranch in northeastern New Mexico, after waiting years for it to drop to what he says was a "rational price." (The ranch was initially listed in 2006 for $110 million, then for $83 million last year. Malone is rumored to have gotten it for closer to $60 million.) Then in February he made his biggest splash, snapping up 1 million acres of timberland in Maine and New Hampshire for a "fair price."



With that acquisition Malone became the largest private landowner in the U.S., at 2.2 million acres, according to The Land Report, which tracks sales. He surpassed his fellow billionaire Ted Turner, who had held the title for the previous 15 years. Turner owns 2.1 million acres in the U.S. and has an additional 100,000 acres in South America.



The turnover at the top is fitting. Malone (worth $4.5 billion) and Turner (worth $2.1 billion) are longtime acquaintances and business partners. Malone served on the board of Turner Broadcasting in the 1980s and bailed out Turner's company in 1987. In 2007, through Liberty Media, Malone became the owner of the Atlanta Braves, Turner's old baseball team. ("I will always think of them as Ted's team," says Malone.) The two have neighboring trophy ranches in northern New Mexico (Malone's 250,000-acre TO Ranch runs east from Turner's 591,000-acre Vermejo Park Ranch.) And it was Turner, 72, who "first gave me this land-buying disease," says Malone, when the duo flew a helicopter over Vermejo. Says Turner: "Over the years I've shared my experiences with John. I consider him a good friend and have great respect for him."



So no Hatfield-McCoy here. Malone recently visited Turner, who was "down in the dumps because I still have lots of dry powder and he's pretty tapped out," jokes Malone. "I think if it was a race, Ted would concede."



Turner seems happy to do just that, saying he was glad to see Malone make his latest acquisition. "We're working toward the same goal–to be stewards of the land and make sure it's preserved for future generations," says Turner.



But though their conservation ends may be the same, their means differ. "Ted's idea of tradition is to go back to pre-European times," says Malone. Turner famously poisoned a stretch of Cherry Creek–which runs through his Flying D Ranch in Montana–to rid it of the invasive brown and rainbow trout. (He replanted the stream with native cutthroat trout.) At Turner's ranch bison roam free over land that's been cleared of most signs of human habitation.



Malone, on the other hand, says, "I tend to be more willing to admit that human beings aren't going away." So he believes that trees can be harvested without damaging the ecology and wildlife. ("I'm not an extreme tree-hugger," he says.) He will continue the sustainable forestry operation on the Maine and New Hampshire land (purchased from GMO Renewable Resources, a private equity firm). Malone is also looking at wind-power opportunities on the property and will keep the land open for public recreation, a Maine tradition. Malone takes the same "working farm" philosophy with his western properties, like the Bell Ranch, where he raises cattle and horses.



Malone wants to "break even" on his land, but there is more than economics involved. "There's the emotional and intellectual aspect of walking the land and getting that sense of awe," he says. "I own it, sort of, for my lifetime."



Like Turner, he has plans to conserve most of it for beyond his lifetime, through perpetual conservation easements. "But I'm not going to kid myself and think that 500 years from now, with population growth, that the government won't start putting people on the land," he says. "But at least I tried."



Landowners



(Members of the Forbes Billionaires list in bold) ...



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http://blogs.forbes.com/monteburke/2011/03/10/john-malone-overtakes-ted-turner-as-largest-individual-landowner-in-the-u-s/
 

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