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New Mexico county wants to remove wolf from ranch

Denny said:
TWOROPES said:
I have read the posts on the Mexican Wolf Topic. I agree the wolf needed shooting, as a matter of fact, I dont think these wolves should have been turned loose in the first place.We have had our own problems in Texas with the Mexican Eagles eating our calves(they are fedallyl protected also) I dont want to offend anyone, but I have been biting my tongue ever since the post about Claude Dallas came out. I figure this website is about speaking the truth and voicing your opinion, so I will let er rip.Claude Dallas was no folk hero.Claude Dallas murdered two men doing there jobs as STATE officers in a time of unrest with the feds, which made him a hero.Claude Dallas executed these men after gaining thier confidence that he was non-violent.Claude Dallas was no cowhand, and nobody on Ranchers would want him tending thier stock.Claude Dallas was a flunkie criminal who got a ranch job or two, got fired and started trapping because no ranchers would hire him.Claude Dallas was turned in by a rancher.Claude Dallas should be cold in the ground, for the worthless S.O.B. he is. Just my opinion, TWOROPES

I agree 100% he was nothing more than a criminal.

Yes, but Ian Tyson sure made a cool song about him. :wink:
 
I didn't know anything about Claude Dallas till he was mentioned on here but when I googled him, I found the song Ian Tyson wrote about him.

I agree that he is a criminal deserving every bit of punishment he got, but, as Soapweed says, this is still a pretty cool song.

Claude Dallas
(Ian Tyson, Tom Russell, 1986.)

In a land the Spanish once had
Called the Northern Mystery,
Where rivers run and disappear
And the Mustang still lives free,
By the Devil's wash and the coyote hole
In the wild Owyee Range,
Somewhere in the sage tonight
The wind calls out his name.
Aye, aye, aye.

Come gather round me, buckaroos,
And the story I will tell:
The fugitive Claude Dallas
Who just broke out jail.
You might think this tale is history
From before the West was won,
But the events that I'll describe took place
In nineteen-eighty-one.

He was born out in Virginia,
Left home when school was through.
In the deserts of Nevada,
He became a buckaroo.
He learned the ways of cattle.
He learned to sit a horse.
He always packed a pistol
And he practiced deadly force.

Then Claude he became a trapper.
He dreamed of the bygone days.
He studied bobcat logic
In the wild and silent ways,
In the bloody runs near paradise,
In the monitors down south,
Trapping cats and coyotes,
Living hand and mouth.
Aye, aye, aye.

Then Claude took to living all alone
Out many miles from town.
A friend, Jim Stevens, brought supplies
And he stayed to hang around.
That day two wardens, Pogue and Elms,
Drove in to check Claude out.
They were seeking violations
And to see what Claude's about.

Now Claude had hung some venison,
Had a bobcat pelt or two.
Pogue claimed they were out of season.
He says, "Dallas, you're all through."
But Dallas would not leave his camp.
He refused to go to town.
As the wind howled through the bull camp,
They stared each other down.

It's hard to say what happened next.
Perhaps we'll never know.
They were going to take Claude in to jail,
And he'd vowed he'd never go.
Jim Stevens heard the gunfire,
And when he turned around,
Bill Pogue was fallin' backwards.
Conley Elms, he fell face-down.
Aye, aye, aye.

Jim Stevens walked on over.
There was a gun near Bill Pogue's hand.
It's hard to say who'd drawn his first,
But Claude had made his stand.
Claude said, "I'm justified, Jim.
They were going to cut me down.
A man's got a right to hang some meat
When he's livin' this far from town."

It took eighteen men and fifteen months
To finally run Claude down.
In the sage outside of paradise,
They drove him to the ground.
Convicted up in Idaho,
Manslaughter by decree,
Thirty years at maximum,
But soon Claude would break free.

There's two sides to this story.
There may be no right or wrong.
The lawman and the renegade
Have graced a thousand songs.
So the story is an old one.
Conclusion's hard to draw.
But Claude's out in the sage tonight.
He may be the last outlaw.
Aye, aye, aye.
 
I may be from the northeast, Maryland to be exact but I wonder where this is all heading. Out here I am a horse worker at a barn in Baltimore county. I respect nature but I have a problem with some humans. Phoney environmental groups like nature conservancy, sierra club etc using political power to steal land from ranchers and farmers. Republicans and Democrats alike in on the kill, aka: nafta highway, and all for a dollar? Maybe I'm naive but where do these greedy idiots think our food is gonna come from? I am not liberal nor conservative, I like to think I am common sense. One thing though, If an alpha female or male wolf started after the horses I take care of, I would have a nice pair of wolf woolies this winter. Mr. Winchester agrees. take care now, barontomcat
 
Well i am not trying to start anything just stating my opinion , but i have worked with some buckaroos in nevada that had worked with claude and i was told that he was as good of a hand as any of the rest , he didnt wanna be a buckaroo he wanted to be a mountain man thats why he started trappin , the cowboy poet Ross Knox who is a veru good friend of mine here in az and he was a very good friend of claude dallas and he says the same thing that he was a good hand , matter of fact claude is punchin cows right now on a ranch in nevada and has been since he was released . Now no one knows who pulled their gun first but when you deal with a man that lives by the law of the land , i dont care what year it is , you dont walk up to him with your hand on your gun hidin behind your badge thinkin he isnt gonna do somthin when you pull your gun , thats just ignorant thinkin . As far as the the whole excution thing he shouldnt have put that bullet in their heads after he killed them but he did , and if he hadnt he would have got away with self defense . That rancher that turned him in was not the owner he was the camp man there and it wasnt long after he turned him in there were gun shots from the top of the hill everynight till he left two weeks later , and them shots werent comin from claud dallas , there is alot more to that story than what you folks seen on the news . If you really wanna know go work in that country with them old guys that worked with him and they will tell you how it went down and not the law side of it either , the real side of it . Thats my two cents .
 
I have a set of National Geographic books, one of which is about Cowboys. It has a picture of Claude Dallas, and was published a few years before his shooting incident. At the time of this deal, I was reading current magazines which told all about it. I must admit that I was rooting for Claude Dallas, mainly because one of the two game wardens was such an all out jerk. Claude had many friends that were on his side, and that is one of the main reasons he was able to elude the posse for so many months. His friends helped him to hide out.

It was definitely an interesting chapter in the history of the more modern West. Only his hair maker knows for sure of his guilt or innocense. :wink:
 

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