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New Recall of meat

RobertMac said:
OT said:
...or give the inspectors the needed equipment...

That's the Achilles' heel of HACCP...inspectors need the power to enforce HACCP!

I disagree.....Respectfully mind you....I think the Achillees Heel of our entire system is the reliance of an outside entity to ensure we are making safe product and keep us out of trouble...Think about it......Right now if Tpps had implemented programs above and beyond the USDA deal, they would not be going bankrupt.......

HACCP is designed to help you mind your own kitchen so to speak. At least, when I was a QA Manager, that is how we viewed it. An opportunity to really look at our programs and find weaknesses...And Eliminate them.....
To me, The Achilles heel is people that try to do just enough to appease the letter of the law...

This whole deal reminds me of the Chinese pet food deal...Companies like Iams start out making products designed as ideal for pets...They are focused on the business they are in. Making Pet food....They can charge more because they make a great product.....They get an infusion of "Bean Counters"..As I recall, Iams was bought out by a big company.....Little changes start gtting made...If you can save a tenth of a penny apound on millions of pounds a year, it ads up...At first, the changes are small....Guys like Dog Sled Racers notice, but noone else does....Eventually, the changes acccumulate and the aggregate starts making a diference.....And then, Pets die....

Seriously, the whole US business model is broke...The focus is on the pennies and not the product...

I can even bring this home to guys that I know who don't precondition calves...They say it is worth 8 Cents a pound and they only get 5 cents.....The pennies vs the product.....

PPRM

PPRM
 
interesting link; http://www.beefusa.org/uDocs/importedvsdomestictrim.pdf

With all of the recalls and the above link information ,FSIS should put a import stopage on all beef trim unless every container is tested.
 
PPRM, we don't have a disagreement...HACCP is good when used, but, obviously, we have companies counting their pennies instead of implementing their HACCP. It's my understanding that Topps bought trim, ground it and made frozen patties to wholesale. If that's the case, they bought their E.coli problem WITH A USDA INSPECTED STAMP ON IT!!! Looks like part of Topps HACCP wasn't to test EVERY batch of trim they bought...in hind sight, that would have been far cheaper than the price they are paying now.

The fact is that somebody's USDA inspected system broke down.
The question is...will USDA look until the find the break or will they shut the door on this case with Topps shutting their door? It's times like this that the background and relationship of USDA employees and the companies being investigated has to be looked at!
 
PORKER said:
interesting link; http://www.beefusa.org/uDocs/importedvsdomestictrim.pdf

With all of the recalls and the above link information ,FSIS should put a import stopage on all beef trim unless every container is tested.

MRJ, has this study ever been completed?????? What were the results?????
 
RobertMac said:
PPRM, we don't have a disagreement...HACCP is good when used, but, obviously, we have companies counting their pennies instead of implementing their HACCP. It's my understanding that Topps bought trim, ground it and made frozen patties to wholesale. If that's the case, they bought their E.coli problem WITH A USDA INSPECTED STAMP ON IT!!! Looks like part of Topps HACCP wasn't to test EVERY batch of trim they bought...in hind sight, that would have been far cheaper than the price they are paying now.

The fact is that somebody's USDA inspected system broke down.
The question is...will USDA look until the find the break or will they shut the door on this case with Topps shutting their door? It's times like this that the background and relationship of USDA employees and the companies being investigated has to be looked at!


We are in agreement then. That is my whole point. Stepping up the testing would save a Boatload of money,

PPRM
 
RobertMac said:
PPRM, we don't have a disagreement...HACCP is good when used, but, obviously, we have companies counting their pennies instead of implementing their HACCP. It's my understanding that Topps bought trim, ground it and made frozen patties to wholesale. If that's the case, they bought their E.coli problem WITH A USDA INSPECTED STAMP ON IT!!! Looks like part of Topps HACCP wasn't to test EVERY batch of trim they bought...in hind sight, that would have been far cheaper than the price they are paying now.

The fact is that somebody's USDA inspected system broke down.
The question is...will USDA look until the find the break or will they shut the door on this case with Topps shutting their door? It's times like this that the background and relationship of USDA employees and the companies being investigated has to be looked at!


Hudson Foods, was the first, bought trim from IBP, Cargill and ConAgra, had a recall, filled bankruptcy, bankrupt company bought out by IBP, no one gets hurt $$$$$$$$$$ and we still do business Monday as usual.

RobertMac, they know where the break is, and they are not going to fix it! too much money invested by a few. Do you have any idea how large the beef industry is in the United States? It's larger than the auto industry by far.

Our business could not afford to pay the advertisement dollars, we are getting today from, USDA and NCBA.


Best Regards
Ben Roberts

Best Regards
Ben Roberts
 
Comments about the poor handling of the recalls;

We also learned in the past few days that Dr. Raymond's food safety bureaucracy knew weeks in advance that our meat supply might be tainted by Topps meat and did not alert the public until dozens of children had already become ill. And he tells us: "the US beef supply is safe?"

One would think that with hundreds of Americans poisoned that Dr. Raymond would not be acting as the "cheerleader in chief" for the beef industry, but would be asking one simple question - "What is going on?" Clearly, the USDA/FSIS seems incapable of asking simple questions.

Congress needs to act now. It is time for Congress to accept a leadership role and call hearings on "How safe is our meat supply, really?" Hearings need to not only explore the reasons for the past months' outbreaks, but also to help prevent the next one. Congress must reach out to all facets of the meat industry, from "farm to fork," to consumers who bear the burden of illnesses, and to academics and regulators to find reasonable, workable solutions to prevent the next meat-related illnesses.

More regulation may not help. Testing all products may not be feasible. More funding for the CDC and USDA may not be enough. And, more research at universities may not find all of the answers. But, getting everyone concerned to the same table is a start.
 
The consumers and producers want the same thing. A great quality product that is safe.....Linking the two parties is what is tripping things up,

PPRM
 
Cargill a meat producer for Sam's Club has prompted the mega-retailer to pull some frozen hamburger patties from its offerings due to E. Coli contamination.Advertisement



Cargill Meat Solutions produces the American Chef's Selection Angus Beef Patties, and the packages with a case code of 7703100 are contaminated with hazardous E. coli bacteria.

The UPC # on the contaminated beef is 0002874907056, and the expiration dates are 2/05/2008, 2/06/2008, 2/12/2008, and 2/13/2008.
Sam's Club removed the patties October 5th, but some customers may still have them in their freezer.

If you have the contaminated patties in your freezer, you are asked to return them for a refund or destroy the remainder.

You can call Sam's Club at 1-888-746-7726 for details. Cargill also has information available on its consumer hotline at 866-567-7899.

Cargill is also recalling ground beef distributed for commercial use; in total, more than 400 tons of ground beef are being recalled.
 
Cargill is also recalling ground beef distributed for commercial use; in total, more than 400 tons of ground beef are being recalled.

Too late, Topps has already used some of theirs!!!! :o :shock: :o :shock: :wink: :wink:

I wonder if the USDA is going to cross check the E.coli DNA of the Topps and Cargill recalls??? :roll: :???: :roll: :???:

I know, it's against the law for them to tell us!!! :? :x :mad:
 
Something has changed"
This year's E. coli surge has alarmed and disheartened the industry, says the AMI Foundation's Jim Hodges


(MEATPOULTRY.com, October 12, 2007)
by Steve Bjerklie

Source of Article: http://www.meatnews.com/news/beyond_stories.asp?ArticleID=88770

The causes behind this year's sudden spike in E. coli detections, which has already produced one record-level, company-ruining recall, are still a mystery, according to the head of the American Meat Institute Foundation, a non-profit research, education and information organization founded by and associated with the AMI.

"The prevalence of E. coli in the product itself is not appreciably different this year than last," Jim Hodges, AMIF's president, tells MEAT&POULTRY, pointing to USDA figures that put the incidence of positive E. coli tests in ground beef at 0.19 percent so far this year, compared to 0.17 percent in 2006. "What is different is that we've got more recalls this year. What that says to me is that something has changed. Are we discovering more illness? Is the organism changing? We don't have the answers yet. I think most people are frankly scratching their heads."

Hodges says one noticeable fact is eight of the 14 E. coli recalls so far this year are tied to illness investigations by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta. Last year, none of eight recalls were connected to outbreaks of human illness associated with E. coli. He says it's unclear whether improved illness-detection methods and/or more thorough investigating and reporting by the CDC have anything to do with this year's increased incidence of the pathogen in the beef supply.

"Obviously, we are extremely concerned. That goes without saying," he tells M&P.

Another fact of interest is USDA's Food Service and Inspection Service investigation of September's 21.7 million-pound Topps Meat Co. recall, which is the second-largest meat recall in U.S. history and which has forced Topps, a New Jersey processor, out of business, revealed three distinct DNA patterns in the E. coli recovered from people who consumed the Topps product – and neither FSIS nor CDC had any of these patterns in their databases.

The use of a technique called Pulse Field Gel Electrophoresis (PFGE) allows scientists and investigators to ascertain the relatedness of the DNA of different E. coli strains found in samples taken from patients, and each of the three PFGE patterns associated with the Topps meat were distinctive and unusual. "This brings up the question: Is the organism changing?" asked Hodges. "We don't know, but it gives us a clue where to start looking." He added: "FSIS is now looking at everything that goes into ground beef, not just the trim."

He points out that industry's attention "was keenly focused on this before the 21 million-pound recall." He and Randy Huffman, AMIF's vice president of scientific affairs, visited CDC in Atlanta, last August, in an effort to gather more information. "We're still in a process of fact-finding at this point," he says.

Hodges says E. coli's roaring comeback in 2007 has not only alarmed the industry, it has been disheartening as well. "We had climbed a pretty good mountain. Incidence rates had dropped significantly. We had a good story to tell," he commented. "But we're going to redouble our efforts to make sure our best-practices and interventions are truly effective, and we're developing better baseline data. The status quo is unacceptable."
 
Topps, a New Jersey processor, out of business, revealed three distinct DNA patterns in the E. coli recovered from people who consumed the Topps product – and neither FSIS nor CDC had any of these patterns in their databases.


Then It was OVERSEAS BEEF ,and the ECOLI isn't in the US. Thus NO DNA PATTERNS, SOOO which country has those DNA patterns ?????
 
It was OVERSEAS BEEF and the ECOLI isn't in the US. Thus NO DNA PATTERNS, SOOO which country has those DNA patterns ?????

Where did the Hamburger grinds come from ?????
 
So the USDA is allowing diseases to be imported....that's news? What do you expect them to do, disrupt trade? Heaven forbid!
 
This year's E. coli surge has alarmed and disheartened the industry, says the AMI Foundation's Jim Hodges


(MEATPOULTRY.com, October 12, 2007)
by Steve Bjerklie

Source of Article: http://www.meatnews.com/news/beyond_stories.asp?ArticleID=88770

The causes behind this year's sudden spike in E. coli detections, which has already produced one record-level, company-ruining recall, are still a mystery, according to the head of the American Meat Institute Foundation, a non-profit research, education and information organization founded by and associated with the AMI.

"The prevalence of E. coli in the product itself is not appreciably different this year than last," Jim Hodges, AMIF's president, tells MEAT&POULTRY, pointing to USDA figures that put the incidence of positive E. coli tests in ground beef at 0.19 percent so far this year, compared to 0.17 percent in 2006. "What is different is that we've got more recalls this year. What that says to me is that something has changed. Are we discovering more illness? Is the organism changing? We don't have the answers yet. I think most people are frankly scratching their heads."

Hodges says one noticeable fact is eight of the 14 E. coli recalls so far this year are tied to illness investigations by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta. Last year, none of eight recalls were connected to outbreaks of human illness associated with E. coli. He says it's unclear whether improved illness-detection methods and/or more thorough investigating and reporting by the CDC have anything to do with this year's increased incidence of the pathogen in the beef supply.

"Obviously, we are extremely concerned. That goes without saying," he tells M&P.

Another fact of interest is USDA's Food Service and Inspection Service investigation of September's 21.7 million-pound Topps Meat Co. recall, which is the second-largest meat recall in U.S. history and which has forced Topps, a New Jersey processor, out of business, revealed three distinct DNA patterns in the E. coli recovered from people who consumed the Topps product – and neither FSIS nor CDC had any of these patterns in their databases.
 
Damn, PORKER - can't you save us all some time and just admit that you made it up? :???:
 

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