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Here you go FH- you can read up on those little cattle before you buy...They were developed in Australia and New Zealand...Some of Kits might fit the size

Was that someone from Montana showing them at the NILE? - I know there are a couple of angus breeders in the state that are also running some lowlines- but I can't remember who right now...

My sister says they and the Dexters are popular in some states like Texas where you need to have so many cows to get an Ag exemption on the taxes....

http://lowline.une.edu.au/
 
Nope, even Kits cattle are bigger than lowlines although he has one in his semen catalog for bringing frame size down in one generation. I don't think I would try it but I do have a half Dexter half Angus/shorthorn/maine/simmi (Show animal that the people previous to me bred) tht is bred to a Pharo bull... Should be interesting, lol.

Lowlines are interesting story, thre lines of cattle at an Australian research station picked intirely on size basically. They had the hylines the midlines and the lowlines (Also called Loala's by some in he states). I think the animals are all from one Canadian herd that was imported YEARS ago.. I think if you go to whatever heir homepage is they wil have a more complete story. Interesting but I have seen them in person and they are basically frame 0 or even 00 cattle.
 
I thought they might be a minus on frame. :lol:

Just minature cattle, that's all they are. And I never saw anything
of Kit Pharo's that was even close to this size.

I think Kit might get a bad rap for frame score 4 cattle.
I have to tell you that frame score 4 goes to Kits first button
on his shirt. I just got into this conversation at the NILE with
a purebred breeder. Some that speak don't have any idea
what a frame score 4 is. It is 50 inches in a cow, 54 inches
in a bull. The Emancipator bull Kit has is 2.9 frame score
and weighs 1800-1900 lbs. He is full of meat.
Would we use him? Noooooooo. But he isn't all that small
either. Much, much larger than a Lowline.

Lowline. Well, I was close. Glad I didn't call them Lowlifes. :lol2: :nod: :gag:
 
Most if not all the British breeds do well in grass finishing systems, the heavier continentals often need subsidising with some form of energy ration. While I lived in England, a friend and I bred North Devons and sold the grass fed beef direct through the on-farm store, along with 'free range' pork, and another farmer's organic eggs and poultry.
My 'veld reared' beef in Zimbabwe was out of Tuli cattle which do well in extensive and arid conditions, and yielded more Kg/beef per acre and weaned more calves for cows bred than any of the other adapted breeds in my area. I intend using a bull on some of the company cattle next season to produce a more adapted F1 female for the heat etc, and to develop a rotation instead of the present terminal F1 baldy calves.
 
Most if not all the British breeds do well in grass finishing systems, the heavier continentals often need subsidising with some form of energy ration.
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Please explain this statement. It might take a few more pounds of grass per head but you'll get more meat from the "Heavier" conts.

It would certainly depend on what type of grazing you have to "Finish" any cattle on grass.
 
Maybe it will go back to the good old days of selling long two's off grass-those were low input cattle-ran with cows in winter till momma dried off then had a summer on grass-roughed another winter than would fatten real quick on grass next summer. There were lots from this country run like that down in on the Sweetgrass Reserve.You don't need to raise dwarfs to finish cattle on grass-somewhere between them and elephants do quite well.A friend of ours does quite well marketing dry two year old heifers as grass fats-in fact that's what we butcher for our own use.
 
Mike said:
Please explain this statement. It might take a few more pounds of grass per head but you'll get more meat from the "Heavier" conts.

It would certainly depend on what type of grazing you have to "Finish" any cattle on grass.
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Sorry I was a little unclear, Mike, I was referring to range conditions more specifically as when I was producing some F1 Simmental/Tuli heifers for a customer who used Angus as a terminal sire to produce cattle for his feedlot, I found the F1 steers too heavy framed for my uninproved native grazing, so had to sell them as weaners to farms with planted pastures for eventual feedlotting. Neighbours who used native breeds with British bulls in rotational crosses managed with only mineral supplimentation, whenever Continentals were added to the mix to take advantge of further heterosis and heavier frames, winter feeding on the range (veld) had to be practised to maintain the growth of the Continental progeny.
It payed for them to do this, but their steers were not then considered veld reared which was the origional point.
 
Yes Breeds do make a difference. On the Dairy side a Jersey steer will finish nicely on grass where a Holstien will not. Brown Swiss also do well on grass. Shorthorn, Red Angus and Chars finish the best on grass.
Longhorns do good on grass if you are looking for lean meat and no choice cuts. To finish on grass you need lots of fresh grass and a good rotational grazing program. JMO
 
Well,

The phone has ben ringing, LOL....Just takes awhile for those folks to go through it...Sold a whole one and then 30 pounds yesterday....I have several othrs looking at 1/4's...

When I delivered 20 pounds to one guy, I saw my flyer on his refrigerator....

PPRM
 
PPRM said:
I do pretty good for th mot part in finishing them right, but I do always worry. The calves I sell direct aren't as Fat as the ones that I send to Tyson.....
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Back in school our Advance Ruminant Nutrition class went to Taylor Packing in PA, they process about 100 head a day. We went look at the process and the rendering plant next door.

First of all all spinal cord and brain material was sucked out and taken out of the process just after the animal was stunned and hoisted.

Second they can't age all that beef. The sides get electricity shot through them for tenderization. You see the carcasses dancing on the meat hooks.

Third I don't recall seeing any beef cows. They were pretty much all holsteins.

The first college I went to I did an AI course. We went to the local auction barn the night after the auction each week and practiced on the cows that Taylor purchased.

Finally I spent some time trying to find work when I moved back to Maine. I worked at a North East Grocery stores wharehouse (Hannaford) All the ground beef coming in was from Taylor.

I've seen the process from live animal to coming into the wharehouse to see what is on the supermarket shelf for meat.
 
Andy said:
Faster horses said:
When we were at the NILE, we saw a whole new breed of cattle.
They are called Lowliers or something like that. All black and
very, very small. Ever heard of those? There were quite a few
being shown.

The cattle being promoted the Grass Beef boys around here
are straight Angus. They sold some semen to a friend of ours, but I
can't remember the name of the bull. He AI'd a bunch to him.
I'll see if I can't find out who the bull is. Nothing I'd ever heard
of.

Yea, NR. Seems there is always more than meets the eye in
these deals. Someone stands to make some money right out of
the chute.
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That was most likely Lowline. They are not a new breed but rather a throw back to the angus of the 40-50's.
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GOOD GRIEF!! :shock: :mad: :evil: We certainly don't want to return to the Pony-Runts of the 40's and 50's! I've been there and done that!

DOC HARRIS
 
DOC HARRIS said:
Andy said:
Faster horses said:
When we were at the NILE, we saw a whole new breed of cattle.
They are called Lowliers or something like that. All black and
very, very small. Ever heard of those? There were quite a few
being shown.

The cattle being promoted the Grass Beef boys around here
are straight Angus. They sold some semen to a friend of ours, but I
can't remember the name of the bull. He AI'd a bunch to him.
I'll see if I can't find out who the bull is. Nothing I'd ever heard
of.

Yea, NR. Seems there is always more than meets the eye in
these deals. Someone stands to make some money right out of
the chute.
Click to expand...

That was most likely Lowline. They are not a new breed but rather a throw back to the angus of the 40-50's.
Click to expand...
GOOD GRIEF!! :shock: :mad: :evil: We certainly don't want to return to the Pony-Runts of the 40's and 50's! I've been there and done that!

DOC HARRIS
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A wise man told me to "Never take advice from someone who does'nt make their living from cattle" He did and it cost him plenty.Good grief. :wink:
 
I forgot about this thread. I found out the bulls that are touted by
Grasslands Beef.

Red Devon from New Zeland.

I asked if they were South Devons and the answer was no.

This semen came in metric, and was a pain in the butt to
calculate, the man told me. He says it is hard to get. I was
going to do a goole search and see what I found.
 

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