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Not Using 'Ol Smoke

mytfarms

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Welp, semen sales went to you know where on that bull. Didn't get much interest in him. :( On the bright side, I guess I don't have to figure out which cows to breed him to now. Anyway, I had a bull picked out for my blue cows, then had the typical "Bull Tangent" MYT is so famous for, and the good Lord brought me back to where I need to be again. Well, here are some bulls for your viewing pleasure. I made some comments on each one, and they are being used in our program. I didn't get a picture of our herd sire, but hopefully I will shortly.

Like I said earlier on Emancipate, he is a really nice bull that is going to take our herd in the right direction. We may end up using him exclusively next spring, depending on how good I am at A.I. :wink:

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Pledge will have a lot of calves on the ground this year. My best females are bred to him and I think we could get some really nice calves out of this bull.
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Eventually, we'll get some calves from this bull. One of Ned's bulls that should make some super baldies on Pledge and Emancipate females. I was fortunate enough to get some video of these bulls, and they are impressive. 320N is still my favorite. :D
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Now, finally, here's a purebred Shorthorn bull. Maybe Randi will comment on this bull as I know he has some purebreds of his own. Hopefully, I can get my blue cows and maybe a WF heifer bred to this bull. I know the owner, and he's going to report birth weights next spring. Personally, even though he was blown out for this pic, I think it accurately represents him.
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Rear pic. He has a butt!
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Welp, I love breeding cows. :cboy:

An edit on the Shorty bull, he had a scrotal of 40cm at 12 months old. This pic was taken at about 12 months.
 
I've always liked that hereford bull, and he's still my top pick :wink: :D . It will be fun to see what sort of calves you end up with.
 
I don't know why they bother with all that crap on bulls - glue and hair driers - maybe an exercise in concealment? Looks like a run of the mill steer to me, if he has masculinity reflecting a 40cm scrotal at a year old it's well hidden.
I like my bulls to look like bulls, and they always do whether they are 6 months old still suckling, a year old growing or a mature bull. If you don't mess with them on the cosmetic or force feeding front you will always be able to see the real bulls. Once guys get into the feeding and disguising larks watch out - there's a pile of bulls sold every year that are steers in disguise. Some purebred breeders have an inordinate talent at picking and developing bulls to win in the show ring regardless of the masculinity or the genetic value of the animal they start with.
 
Oh man, like 'ol shorty do ya? :lol: Well, I've already made up my mind to use him on a couple cows. It's just kind of fun to have some hairy roan calves every year. I don't think one or two will hurt me terribly. I too, am a big fan of that Hereford. If you want to use him, get in contact with Ned Jr. on these boards and he'll set ya up!
 
Well, I sure like that Emancipate and the Hereford bull. Sure wouldn't mind using them in my herd :wink: . Would have to see some other photos of the second black bull to be sure on him though.

The Shorthorn, I'm not too struck on either. He's well enough built, but maybe a bit fine, could be thicker too I think and definitely needs to be more masculine. If you're hoping for roans out of him, I wouldn't hold my breath. He looks solid red to me, and you need a roan or a white to pass on the roan gene. That is unless your cows are roans.....

Oh, and by the way, I'm a she :wink: :P :P
 
MYT:

I don't mind shorties or show cattle...however, I do think you need to evaluate this one a little closer, especially the rear view. His structure is AWFUL! MYT, if you are going to raise show calves why not raise calves that are sound and move like cat??? Any judge worth his/her salt will use a sound one before an unsound one.

One major fault of the majority of show steers/clubby bulls and their heifer mates is their structure. This guy is keeping up the tradition! It's a damn good thing someone is packing feed to them, because it would not take too long until they'd be too lame to pack it to themselves.

I judge a few shows, and most cattle whose rear leg structure is like this calf, tend to knuckle and pop. Before I even saw the rear view of the red bull, I could see it in the side profile. His left hind leg is worse than the right hind leg, and similarly, his left front is poorer structured from what I can see, than his right.

Don't think the good structure of your cows can make up for it, because they won't. This is a trait that will haunt you for a long time, and will get worse as cattle put on weight.

If it were me, I'd use the Hereford. You know, there is a good market for white on show cattle...I think Ned Jrs. bull has enough power to do you some good! If you are deadset about having a clubby steer or heifer, I'd find a new prospective sire; and when you find one, look at the bull's mum :lol: and some offspring if they are around. Also see if you can see him without his feet trimmed. Most clubby cattle today are bad enough structured trimming won't turn them around, but there are a few that can fool ya.

About 10 years ago, there were some folks around the Wiggins area that raised some really nice, sound show calves. I think they still have a few show cattle. PM me if you'd like their names.

Good luck MYT...it's been said the outside of a horse is good for the inside of a man. I wholeheartedly agree. I would also change that around to the outside of a show calf is good for the inside of a kid, or a kid at heart. I miss combing cattle a lot. It is a really good feeling, calming, to comb, and it's nice to see them enjoy getting combed and scratched too!

Cheers---

TTB :wink:
 
randiliana said:
Oh, and by the way, I'm a she :wink: :P :P
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:oops: Gee whiz! Sorry 'bout that. Ya, both my cows are roans and one is very light colored. Boy TTB, I reckon if you're calling that bull out on being tight structured, I'll take your word for it. I couldn't say unless I could see him take a few strides. Yap, structure is a thing that you need to pay mind to now-a-days. My own steer that I bought ain't perfect, but he walks just fine. I sure do love that little ball of fuzz. Fun to play with. :nod: Hereford marked cattle seem to be a hot item. Then again, depending on what time of day it is, it could be black with chrome, blue roan, traditional shorthorn, smokey, yellow, etc. May be I'd give that a shot if I were raising club calves. But really, like I said, it's two cows out of my 15 or so. Just going for a little color and maybe some hair. Just a break from all the solid black in the pasture. :wink: Might be I check into some other bulls too.
 
MYT Farms said:
randiliana said:
Oh, and by the way, I'm a she :wink: :P :P
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:oops: Gee whiz! Sorry 'bout that. Ya, both my cows are roans and one is very light colored. Boy TTB, I reckon if you're calling that bull out on being tight structured, I'll take your word for it. I couldn't say unless I could see him take a few strides. Yap, structure is a thing that you need to pay mind to now-a-days. My own steer that I bought ain't perfect, but he walks just fine. I sure do love that little ball of fuzz. Fun to play with. :nod: Hereford marked cattle seem to be a hot item. Then again, depending on what time of day it is, it could be black with chrome, blue roan, traditional shorthorn, smokey, yellow, etc. May be I'd give that a shot if I were raising club calves. But really, like I said, it's two cows out of my 15 or so. Just going for a little color and maybe some hair. Just a break from all the solid black in the pasture. :wink: Might be I check into some other bulls too.
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Nothing wrong with solid black in the pasture. :roll:

Good consistent calves sell good but if you have them one color black or red make a bunch look better.
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
MYT Farms said:
randiliana said:
Oh, and by the way, I'm a she :wink: :P :P
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:oops: Gee whiz! Sorry 'bout that. Ya, both my cows are roans and one is very light colored. Boy TTB, I reckon if you're calling that bull out on being tight structured, I'll take your word for it. I couldn't say unless I could see him take a few strides. Yap, structure is a thing that you need to pay mind to now-a-days. My own steer that I bought ain't perfect, but he walks just fine. I sure do love that little ball of fuzz. Fun to play with. :nod: Hereford marked cattle seem to be a hot item. Then again, depending on what time of day it is, it could be black with chrome, blue roan, traditional shorthorn, smokey, yellow, etc. May be I'd give that a shot if I were raising club calves. But really, like I said, it's two cows out of my 15 or so. Just going for a little color and maybe some hair. Just a break from all the solid black in the pasture. :wink: Might be I check into some other bulls too.
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Nothing wrong with solid black in the pasture. :roll:

Good consistent calves sell good but if you have them one color black or red make a bunch look better.
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Phew, and here I though BMR was gonna let this one go. Glad to know you're still on top of things my friend! Oh my, you don't mean to tell me that I ought to breed those blue cows to a black bull! :cry: I have a feeling there's a truck and trailer heading to Brush Auction Market in a couple months that'll have a couple blue cows on it. Dad might sneak 'em on there. But, I almost feel sad to let them go. On the flip side, only time they make my money is when they have a solid calf.
 
MYT Farms said:
randiliana said:
Oh, and by the way, I'm a she :wink: :P :P
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:oops: Gee whiz! Sorry 'bout that. Ya, both my cows are roans and one is very light colored. Boy TTB, I reckon if you're calling that bull out on being tight structured, I'll take your word for it. I couldn't say unless I could see him take a few strides. Yap, structure is a thing that you need to pay mind to now-a-days. My own steer that I bought ain't perfect, but he walks just fine. I sure do love that little ball of fuzz. Fun to play with. :nod: Hereford marked cattle seem to be a hot item. Then again, depending on what time of day it is, it could be black with chrome, blue roan, traditional shorthorn, smokey, yellow, etc. May be I'd give that a shot if I were raising club calves. But really, like I said, it's two cows out of my 15 or so. Just going for a little color and maybe some hair. Just a break from all the solid black in the pasture. :wink: Might be I check into some other bulls too.
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Sorry MTY...Just calling a spade a spade.

If your mamas were my mamas, I'd want them bred to the bull that best met my needs, that I could afford. I don't know how much they want per straw on this bull, but I'd think for even money you could find a suitor for your cows that is equally as thick and pretty, but yet more complete and sound.

I think Yanuck said a pile in her comments to you...she'd know, I think she's fitted and led one or two.

Good luck kiddo...it's fun to see your enthusiasm!

Cheers---

TTB :wink:
 
Oh yes, no qualms about about her structure. :D :lol: But more seriously, TTB, I think you're most likely right. If we don't get them shipped this fall, I can find a bit sounder bull for $25, I reckon. Thanks all.
 
If you want to breed to a Shorthorn, go with Jakes Proud Jazz, low birth weight and calves are just plain good. Calves I have seen are solid and have plenty of bone and muscle.
 

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