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Off endangered list, wolves face new pressure from hunters By MATTHEW BROWN, Associated Press Writer
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Tony Saunders stalked his prey for 35 miles by snowmobile through western Wyoming's Hoback Basin, finally reaching a clearing where he took out a .270-caliber rifle and shot the wolf twice from 30 yards away.

Gray wolves in the Northern Rockies have been taken off the endangered species list and are being hunted freely for the first time since they were placed on that list three decades ago, and nowhere is that hunting easier than Wyoming.

Most of the state with the exception of the Yellowstone National Park area has been designated a "predator zone," where wolves can be shot at will.

For Saunders, killing that wolf was a long-awaited chance to even things out because he has lost two horses to wolves and blames the canines for depleting local big game herds.

"It's hard for people to understand how devastating they can be," said Saunders, 39, who ranches at Bondurant, Wyo., 30 miles southeast of Jackson, Wyo.

Since federal protection was lifted March 28 and states took over wolf management, 37 wolves have been killed, just over 2 percent of their population. Since 66 animals were transplanted to the region 13 years ago, an estimated 1,500 now roam Wyoming, Montana and Idaho.

Environmental and animal rights groups plan to file a lawsuit Monday seeking an emergency injunction to block the killings and trying to put wolves back on the endangered list.

They predict that if states continue to control the animals' fate and proceed with public hunts, wolves could be driven back nearly to extermination in the region.

"There will be opportunistic shooting 365 days a year. This will become a continual black hole for wolves," said Franz Camenzind with the Jackson Hole Conservation Alliance, which is joining the lawsuit.

Despite the removal of wolves from the endangered list, killing them in the Northern Rockies is nothing new. Last year, a record 186 were shot, primarily by wildlife agents, for killing and harassing livestock.

But since the beginning of this year, 59 wolves already have been reported killed in the three Northern Rockies states, about three times the 19 killed over the same period last year — most of them just in the month since they lost federal protection.

State officials blamed this year's increased hunting in part on heavy snow, which kept wolf packs at lower elevations where sheep and cattle range.

"That's the reality of managing wolves in a modern landscape. Some of them are going to be removed," said Eric Keszler, spokesman for the Wyoming Game and Fish Department.

In fact, entire packs have been legally killed off in past years because of livestock conflicts, according to biologist Mike Jimenez with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

With public hunts planned this year, federal biologists project the three states will maintain a population of 883 to 1,240 wolves at least for the next few years — well above the government's goal of maintaining a population of at least 300 wolves.

But wolf advocates say the states could systematically cull the population right down to that minimum unless a court intervenes.

Idaho and Wyoming in particular have a "hostile legal regime" that is stacked against wolves, said Doug Honnold, the Earthjustice attorney preparing the lawsuit.

"If anybody can kill wolves, you have no way of ensuring wolf killing isn't excessive," he said.

Honnold and other advocates say a minimum of 2,000 to 3,000 wolves is needed to protect their genetic diversity. They contend the government was on track to meet that goal when it caved in to political pressure and stripped the species of endangered status.

Some state officials and ranchers, including Saunders, acknowledge a lingering hostility for wolves, which had been exterminated in the region in the 1930s.

"There's times I'd like to get rid of all of them, but that's not realistic either," Saunders said. "And I'd like for my son one day to be able to hunt them, too."
 
stock the damned wolves in Central Park...let them eat a few people, and then see how much love the wolves get.
 
:D Wolves are also off the endangered list in Wisconsin. We cannot hunt them at will, but we can kill them if they are endangering our livestock. There is a place for wolves, but not on farms and ranches where they destroy livestock.
 
there is a pack of seven that roam just three miles north of my place. just over visiting with the neighbor and they sure did get a lot of his calves last summer. hopefully we can get into his neighbors section of land to hunt them. he thinks that is where they are staying.
 
jigs that same comment got my sister not speaking to me for the last 8 years. She is pro wolf and I am kill the *&%#^%$#$%%^ on sight.
we have lost a few calves to them. Never been reimbursed. Don't want nothing to do with the defenders.
 
Gray wolves back in protected column

BILLINGS, Montana (AP) -- A federal judge has restored endangered species protections for gray wolves in the Northern Rockies, derailing plans by three states to hold public wolf hunts this fall.
A judge has restored the protections for gray wolves in Montana, Wyoming and Idaho.

A judge has restored the protections for gray wolves in Montana, Wyoming and Idaho.

U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy granted a preliminary injunction late Friday restoring the protections for the wolves in Montana, Wyoming and Idaho. Molloy will eventually decide whether the injunction should be permanent.

The region has an estimated 2,000 gray wolves. They were removed from the endangered species list in March, after a decade-long restoration effort.

Environmentalists sued to overturn the decision, arguing wolf numbers would plummet if hunting were allowed. They sought the injunction in the hopes of stopping the hunts and allowing the wolf population to continue expanding.

"There were fall hunts scheduled that would call for perhaps as many as 500 wolves to be killed. We're delighted those wolves will be saved," said attorney Doug Honnold with Earthjustice, who had argued the case before Molloy on behalf of 12 environmental groups.

In his ruling, Molloy said the federal government had not met its standard for wolf recovery, including interbreeding of wolves between the three states to ensure healthy genetics.

"Genetic exchange has not taken place," Molloy wrote in the 40-page decision.

Molloy said hunting and state laws allowing the killing of wolves for livestock attacks would likely "eliminate any chance for genetic exchange to occur."

The federal biologist who led the wolf restoration program, Ed Bangs, defended the decision to delist wolves as "a very biologically sound package."

"The hunting of wolves clearly wouldn't endanger threatened wolf populations," Bangs said Friday. "We felt the science was rock solid and that the delisting was warranted."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/18/wolf.delisting.ap/index.html?eref=rss_tech
 
We do not have wolves, just coyotes. Explain to me how this works. If you see a wolf trotting through your cows, can you shoot it? What if it is dining on one of your calves or cows - can you shoot it then? Or do you have to call the forest service to come?
 
One of the sad things is that all these greenies and judges make their rulings around protecting the introduced population of wolves in the Greater Yellowstone Area- but can't accept that we've had wolves in our area of the state forever- and they weren't introduced under any federal program....
When my grandma taught school in ND back in the early 1900's, she had to pack a rifle with her on her walk to and from the schoolhouse because they were so thick...
Just because the Moose and Goose guys in their flying surveys couldn't see them- they decided they weren't here-- but I know they were- and about any rancher up here does...But they've just kind of "managed" them quietly on there own...
 
I don't think anything should be slaughtered unnecessarily, just because it ' exists'....BUT...if a species has been out of an area for an extended period of time...leave it out and don't go trying to re-invent the wheel.

The whole enviroment changed during the time the wolf was gone from Yellowstone, etc. Leave'em out / get'em out of there.

Now, if they had never been eliminated from the area....these problems that are happening now might have been avoided as adaptations ( I don't dare use the word CHANGE here) would have been made all along. Who knows???


I was in the McDonalds in Livingston MT just after the first wolf release , '95 I think, and saw the damnest fist fight break out over AM coffee between ranchers and ' nature' people!!
 
Oldtimer said:
But they've just kind of "managed" them quietly on there own...

Shoot, Shovel, and Shut-up.

The problem with this bunch they brought in was they collared several of them. :(

They have some documentation of wolves being on the highline in 50's and 60's. Most of the surveys were done in Glacier. The government spent Millions of dollars to extirpate the buggers and then spend millions bringing them back- so they can control the population of bison and elk, that exploded when the environmentalist shut down the hunting seasons and the amount of tags available.

PQ- as of right now I think you can shoot them. In MT I believe you are supposed to get a tag first. When they first introduced them you had better make sure they were laying right next to the calf/horse/dog/small child they had just killed.
 
rancherfred said:
kolanuraven said:
I don't think anything should be slaughtered unnecessarily, just because it ' exists'....

Do you want some prairie dogs?


Already own some in NE and have owned THOUSANDS over the yrs.....so no thanks but a kind offer just the same.

Here in GA we've got the bigger version....Goundhogs...want some 30-40lbs prairie dogs????? I'll trade ya even. :lol: :lol:
 
I Luv Herfrds said:
jigs that same comment got my sister not speaking to me for the last 8 years. She is pro wolf and I am kill the *&%#^%$#$%%^ on sight.
we have lost a few calves to them. Never been reimbursed. Don't want nothing to do with the defenders.

well, if your sister is like mine, I am happy for your 8 years of silence.....
 
PrairieQueen said:
We do not have wolves, just coyotes. Explain to me how this works. If you see a wolf trotting through your cows, can you shoot it? What if it is dining on one of your calves or cows - can you shoot it then? Or do you have to call the forest service to come?

As far as I know, coyotes can be shot on sight - provided you're a good enough marksman/woman to shoot them. I feel I must add that you need to make sure you take them out the first time, because they are smart little suckers, they learn very quickly, and they are not easy to shoot! With the injunction in place, and wolves being placed back on the endangered species list, wolves can only be shot if they are caught in the act of killing livestock.
 

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