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Tex

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Foray into base prices?

This is the central element of fraud. This guy doesn't have a clue how markets
work.

I thought republicans were supposed to believe in market forces. I think they
really believe in whoever is blowing the most smoke in their ears--- the
organized poultry companies and their minions both those who know what is going
on and those who don't. Kissel is the growing problem in the democrats and republicans in Congress. They don't have a clue about what is going on but try to make it sound as if they do.

The problem of a level playing field is not new to agriculture. The problem is
that these companies have been allowed to pay based on equipment instead of the
actual product being produced. This has allowed all sorts of mischief for the
integrators to get away with.

I truly sympathize with the grower who called me and spoke to me about his new
houses. He worried that he wouldn't be able to cover his bills if they
tournament system wasn't tilted in his favor and taking away from other
efficient growers.

That is what happens when you base your pricing mechanism off of a fraud. You
mess up everything.

Kissel is case in point to the competence of our congressional leaders. They
are educated by the corporations who sit in all the committee hearings with them
and pay for their election bids.

This kind of corruption has ruined this industry for many.

It should be ruining the careers of people like Kissel instead.

The competitive harm requirement by the courts has essentially gutted all of the
provisions he says he supports. It is the kind of doubletalk that we are
getting from politicians. Sounds good but is as incompetent as heck.


Tex


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> This is our problem as growers...The integrators throw money at the
politicians, therefore we generally get statements like this one
> Rick
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> Sounds like he is more on the companies side than the growers to me.
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http://www.yourdailyjournal.com/view/full_story/11974975/article-Kissell-meets-w\
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> Kissell meets with area poultry growers
> Richmond County Daily Journal
> 12 hrs ago | 212 views | 0 | | 3 | |
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> Congressman Larry Kissell (NC-08) met with area poultry growers last week to
discuss pending changes in law that will affect the industry, including the new
Farm Bill as well as GIPSA regulations.
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> "The poultry industry is very important to our District's economy, and I
wanted to hear directly from those who will be most affected by proposed changes
in the way businesses operate." said Kissell. "I want to make sure the true
experts on these matters - the producers - have a voice in Washington. As
providers of quality, safe food, as well economic growth and products for
export, family farms are key to America's well-being and our national security.
And they deserve to be heard on the policies impacting their industry."
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> Much of the discussion at the recent meeting focused on the ongoing debate
over a proposed US Department of Agriculture rules with the Grain Inspection,
Packers and Stockyards Administration (GIPSA). GIPSA facilitates the marketing
of livestock, poultry, meat, cereals, oilseeds and related agricultural
products, and promotes fair and competitive trading practices intended to
benefit both consumers and members of the agriculture community.
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> "The poultry industry in North Carolina and our local area is a vital part
of our economy," said Richard Goforth, Area Poultry Specialist of the N.C.
Cooperative Extension. "The growers appreciate the opportunity to relay their
concerns personally to Mr. Kissell about the proposed GIPSA rules and the
effects the rules may have on the overall industry, and their farms. Cooperative
Extension would like to thank Congressman Kissell and his staff for working with
us to arrange this meeting."
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> Last year, Kissell called on the USDA to extend the public comment period on
the GIPSA rule, which was granted, extending comments through late November of
2010. Kissell also joined his colleagues on both sides of the aisle in calling
for an extensive economic analysis to be conducted regarding the effects of
these rule changes on local industry. During a recent House Agriculture
Committee meeting on the state of the U.S. farm economy, Kissell pressed USDA
Secretary Tom Vilsack to provide the public with a time line for completion of
this important economic analysis.
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> "While there are certainly some positive aspects of the GIPSA rule, I
believe that the USDA has addressed issues that are clearly outside of their
authority," said Kissell. "I support provisions that allow producers to speak
their mind without fear of retaliation from the integrator, as well as language
to ensure that our producers are properly compensated for mandatory upgrades
they must make. I feel that the USDA's foray into base prices, packer-to-packer
sales, and competitive harm are serious overreaches against our local producers.
I will continue to fight to make sure that the concerns of the farmers, ranchers
and producers of our district are heard loud and clear, and that their
livelihoods are protected."
> Copyright 2011 Richmond County Daily Journal. All rights reserved.
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> Read more: Richmond County Daily Journal - Kissell meets with area poultry
growers
 
There's a new kid on the block. Koch Foods. All of the growers who have signed on with them around here are extremely happy with the way they do business. The growers absolutely love these folks.

And yes, the Koch Brothers are Republicans.
 
And they were major contributers to Ron Emanuel's campaign fund. I guess they now have Chicago.
 
cedardell said:
And they were major contributers to Ron Emanuel's campaign fund. I guess they now have Chicago.

Party doesn't matter to these people, unless they are throwing it. That is just used for voters and public opinion. It is a ruse.

Tex
 
cedardell said:
And they were major contributers to Ron Emanuel's campaign fund. I guess they now have Chicago.

You talking about the Kochs?

"Major Contributors"? You have evidence of that?
 
Mike said:
There's a new kid on the block. Koch Foods. All of the growers who have signed on with them around here are extremely happy with the way they do business. The growers absolutely love these folks.

And yes, the Koch Brothers are Republicans.

You have to understand a little about the poultry biz---there are a lot of Pilgrim's Pride growers who would be happy to get a contract with ANYONE because they don't have one.

You also have to know a little bit about the structure of the industry. The poultry biz (which consists of a lot of cow calf operators) has huge single use investments. You don't have to treat your suppliers bad until they have depreciated (pencil, not actual) their assets out. Then is when the kill comes in. This might be a period of 15 to 20 years of pretty good relationship between growers and company, and then the company uses their equity they have earned by paying off the bank to extort them back into long term debt for the company regardless of how efficient they might be. These companies really don't want anyone who isn't in long term debt because that means the company is leaving money on the table that they could use to compete with other poultry companies with.

Basically, these assets seem to belong to growers and they are on the hook for them as far as the bank and foreclosure, but these companies really own them through their control and breaking of the PSA.

I think Koch does the same thing to their growers and I heard as much from one of their growers. Remember, they can do this in one complex at a time so other complexes may not be in the fraud state at the moment, and the growers they are picking up may have been so mismanage by their former owner that a decent one that doesn't whip every day is a good "massa" in comparison.



Tex
 

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