mytwocents
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Faster horses said:
Are you a moderator?
Yes, I did read the name of this thread. It may have veered from the checkoff "audit"... but we're still talking about the checkoff....
Is there a problem?
OIG: Checkoff audit finds no evidence of wrongdoing
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Are you a moderator?
Yes, I did read the name of this thread. It may have veered from the checkoff "audit"... but we're still talking about the checkoff....
Is there a problem?
Big Muddy rancher
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mytwocents said:
OIG: Checkoff audit finds no evidence of wrongdoing
Mike
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Faster horses said:
Yes. And I just read it again.
I thought my idea was a good one. You don't? :wink:
Faster horses
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Mike said:
I never thought about it one way or another.
But it's been decidedthe Checkoff audit found no wrongdoing...and with the arguments
still going on about it, I thought it might be good to re-read the
name of the thread. Like, over and done with. Is it productive to
keep arguing the point?
Me bad????
:wink:mytwocents
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Faster horses said:Mike said:
I never thought about it one way or another.
the Checkoff audit found no wrongdoing...and with the arguments
still going on about it, I thought it might be good to re-read the
name of the thread. Like, over and done with. Is it productive to
keep arguing the point?
Me bad????
Yes, sometimes it IS productive to argue a point. Hearing all views never hurt anyone…. Or are you wanting to shut me down because you don't agree with my views? I have seen many "unproductive" posts and have no problem with it. It's called freedom of speech. I guess if a thread is still on-going - must mean folks still want to post something on it- or should we first send a PM to you for your review and approval before posting anything? We were still talking about the checkoff so I don't believe we strayed off subject too badly (as if it really matters in the grand scheme of life)
Big Muddy rancher
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mytwocents said:Faster horses said:Mike said:
I never thought about it one way or another.
the Checkoff audit found no wrongdoing...and with the arguments
still going on about it, I thought it might be good to re-read the
name of the thread. Like, over and done with. Is it productive to
keep arguing the point?
Me bad????
Yes, sometimes it IS productive to argue a point. Hearing all views never hurt anyone…. Or are you wanting to shut me down because you don't agree with my views? I have seen many "unproductive" posts and have no problem with it. It's called freedom of speech. I guess if a thread is still on-going - must mean folks still want to post something on it- or should we first send a PM to you for your review and approval before posting anything? We were still talking about the checkoff so I don't believe we strayed off subject too badly (as if it really matters in the grand scheme of life)
I guess it's because your a bit of a "Johnny come lately" cause we have hashed Check-off/NCBA/R-Calf/USCA years ago and pretty much came to the conclusion that we wold never agree and that the R-Calf faction would never believe anybody's audit anyway. :roll:
Mike
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Faster horses said:Mike said:
I never thought about it one way or another.
the Checkoff audit found no wrongdoing...and with the arguments
still going on about it, I thought it might be good to re-read the
name of the thread. Like, over and done with. Is it productive to
keep arguing the point?
Me bad????
My comment wasn't arguing the point. It was in favor of expanding the Checkoff if the return is as great as claimed.
Arguing the validity of the Checkoff is like arguing increased school spending. A $million-dollar$ here, a $million-dollar$ there, and before you know it, it adds up to real money.
Is it productive to keep arguing the point? Maybe. Maybe not. Depends on which side of the fence we sit.
Me, I'm straddling the fence. But I haven't seen a beef promotion outside of an ag publication in ages. And "Chicken" is winning. Just ask Chik-Filet. :wink:
The Dairy Promos have been hugely successful. But those guys pay in to TWO checkoffs.
http://www.dairycheckoff.com/Pages/Home.aspx
mytwocents
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Big Muddy rancher said:mytwocents said:Faster horses said:I never thought about it one way or another.
the Checkoff audit found no wrongdoing...and with the arguments
still going on about it, I thought it might be good to re-read the
name of the thread. Like, over and done with. Is it productive to
keep arguing the point?
Me bad????
Yes, sometimes it IS productive to argue a point. Hearing all views never hurt anyone…. Or are you wanting to shut me down because you don't agree with my views? I have seen many "unproductive" posts and have no problem with it. It's called freedom of speech. I guess if a thread is still on-going - must mean folks still want to post something on it- or should we first send a PM to you for your review and approval before posting anything? We were still talking about the checkoff so I don't believe we strayed off subject too badly (as if it really matters in the grand scheme of life)
I guess it's because your a bit of a "Johnny come lately" cause we have hashed Check-off/NCBA/R-Calf/USCA years ago and pretty much came to the conclusion that we wold never agree and that the R-Calf faction would never believe anybody's audit anyway. :roll:
I didn't know you spoke for FH. I guess one could expect to never see you write any of these words in a post again then: Check-off/NCBA/R-Calf/USCA -since they've all been hashed out so much. :roll: As long as they are in existance I believe they will be hashed out on here for years to come....whether you or FH "approve" of it or not. Seems to me many others are hashing out repeats many times on here, as well… One thing that's been "hashed" out repeatedly for years is many of you bashing an old man. I don't know a thing about the guy- other than what's on here. I do know that oldtimer is someone's father, grandfather, husband, etc and it's pretty pathetic for adults to bully up on an old man and make him the butt of jokes. If he's a drunk like you all say, offer the man some help, you wonderful Christian country folk- rather than continually harassing him. He has a right to his opinion and his posts just as much as anyone else on here – whether you agree with him or not doesn't matter. Must make you all feel dang proud of yourselves to gang up on one old guy. Yet, he keeps coming back - so he must be more resilient than most of you would be under the same circumstances.
I'm not part of the "R-Calf faction." Just because one doesn't kiss NCBA's a$$ like some of you - does not mean one is an R-Calfer.
Faster horses
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Please notice I was polite and I wasn't bashing anyone...just thought you guys might have forgotten what the title of the thread was.
Geesh.
Now mytwocents, you ARE off on a different subject. :roll:
EOS.
(end of subject--for me anyhow.)
Carry on.
Geesh.
Now mytwocents, you ARE off on a different subject. :roll:
EOS.
(end of subject--for me anyhow.)
Carry on.
Big Muddy rancher
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mytwocents said:
He's not really that old he just thinks he is.
He's been offered help. Hopalong posts the AA web site quite often.
He is "really quite conservative" but just plays the "Devils advocate" so things don't get to quiet around here.
My mistake you just came across like a R-Calfer,
And we have seen some come and go. :lol: :lol:
mytwocents
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Faster horses said:Please notice I was polite and I wasn't bashing anyone...just thought you guys might have forgotten what the title of the thread was.
Geesh.
Now mytwocents, you ARE off on a different subject. :roll:
EOS.
(end of subject--for me anyhow.)
Carry on.
I was just wondering why you felt the need to bud in and remind adults (that were already well aware) what the name of the thread was- when we weren't really off the subject. (we went from checkoff audit to checkoff) I asked you if you were a moderator and you didn't respond. To be chastised by you asking if it's productive to keep arguing the point is not "polite" and for you to insinuate that a subject is "over and done with" is not your call…. unless you are the "almighty authority" over the posts. In that case, knock yourself out… but do it equally and fairly. I wonder if a thread strayed off subject to start talking about "mineral" if you'd be so quick to jump in and cry "FOUL!"
As far as you not bashing anyone- I wasn't referring to anyone bashing anyone on this thread…but other ones.....Geez…"Reading Comprehension 101"…. And no shi$$ - I went off onto a different subject when talking about OTHER posts bashing oldtimer. I wasn't trying to stay on the "straight and narrow" for your benefit, so sue me… :roll:
mytwocents
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Big Muddy rancher said:mytwocents said:
He's not really that old he just thinks he is.
He's been offered help. Hopalong posts the AA web site quite often.
He is "really quite conservative" but just plays the "Devils advocate" so things don't get to quiet around here.
My mistake you just came across like a R-Calfer,
And we have seen some come and go. :lol: :lol:
Yeah, I've noticed that anyone who plays the devils' advocate sure gets ganged up on. Was thinking how most grandkids look up to and respect their grandpa's and it'd be a shame for his grandchildren to ever come across this sight and see the things that are written about him and how he's treated.
Mike
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If you only knew.............. :wink:
Mike, i sure can relate to your "if you only knew" comment to 'mytwopcents' re. being bashed on this site by that poor old grandpa, having been called a few names in the past on this site by none other than OT.
What is past is over with.
However, 'mytwocents', when you say "just because one doesn't kiss BCBA's a$$ like some of you..." you are insulting quite a few on this site: for the record some of us would have to be quite the contortionists because we ARE NCBA! Those who participate in that organization know what is going on because we control NCBA with our votes as well as supporting it with our tiime and dues.
It would be difficult to find and organization dedicated toHelping those us us raising cattle/beef which has worked harder and accomplished more for ALL producers, members or not, AND for beef consumers than has NCBA.
What is past is over with.
However, 'mytwocents', when you say "just because one doesn't kiss BCBA's a$$ like some of you..." you are insulting quite a few on this site: for the record some of us would have to be quite the contortionists because we ARE NCBA! Those who participate in that organization know what is going on because we control NCBA with our votes as well as supporting it with our tiime and dues.
It would be difficult to find and organization dedicated toHelping those us us raising cattle/beef which has worked harder and accomplished more for ALL producers, members or not, AND for beef consumers than has NCBA.
mytwocents
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mrj said:
You probably think I'm being hypocritical because of my insult of accusing some of kissing NCBA's a$$ - yet on the same token commenting on how OT is bullied and ganged up on. I'm not claiming I'm perfect and have never insulted anyone. This forum is for the thick-skinned. If we can't handle it, we shouldn't go here. I think on other forums those things are off-limits...when it gets personal.
No organization, politician, political party, etc. are without their faults. So when some of you are loyal to the end to an "organization" it is just frustrating to know that is why we are in the shape we are in. No looking beyond your blinders…no admitting any flaws.... no compromising on any views whatsoever. (Granted, there are some things that should never be compromised. Faith. Liberty. Justice…. 2nd amendment!) But, really… when it comes down to folks defending or tearing down things such as a political party, a president, an organization, or what have you - so fervently to the point of lumping all who don't share your views as "the enemy" -it's just pretty stupid. And we're all guilty of it. In your case, mrj, since you sweat and breathe NCBA and ARE NCBA I can understand your ferver in defending it to the end. (I would never expect for you to admit disappointment of the "misappropriated" money they had to pay back to the CBB….but I did expect it from somebody…anybody…on here…My mistake to assume any NCBA member would acknowledge faults in the organization) As for me, I'll play the devil's advocate and disagree when I feel too many are complacent on an issue, and I'll argue it a bit, but at the end of the day my family is about the only thing I'd fight to the death for.
Back to the OT subject…Obviously, I don't know all there is to know and just seen some posts where he was attacked when he didn't start anything, other than having an opposing view from the majority on here. I'm sure things run deeper for those that have been wronged by him.
FH: I acknowledge and take full responsibility for going off-subject. :wink:
mytwocentsworth, perhaps I didn't give your being somewhat new to ranchers.net enough consideration in that when I stated I AM NCBA. What I meant is that ALL dues paying members ARE NCBA. Very possibly that is the MOST member driven cattle producer organization in the country. No wonder it grates on us when some claim packers run it. Sure, we do allow packers to be members, but they don't dominate and certainly can be outvoted, IF they vote. It really doesn't make sense to refuse to speak to those to process our cattle to turn them into beef, does it? Just as some old auction market owners used to demonize the feeders who were BUYING our calves, it makes NO sense to demonize either packers or further processors OR retailers. Working with them has made cattle and beef businesses better for all of us.
Really, I don't discount all other organizations, and in fact, am a member of Farm Bureau. I certainly don't consider those with "opposing views" as the enemy, until they ACT as an enemy in using questionnable methods to cut down either the Beef Checkoff (which would not exist had not NCBA and many state groups and Farm bureau worked to gain the vote of fellow cattle producers to bring it about.
First, you choose the word "misappropriated" for errors in accounting. Why is that? Do you have any knowledge of the systems involved? It is very complicated and sometimes staffers do not get entries coded correctly. Sometimes there is disagreement over which expenses are allowed.
The reason for frequent in house audits is to correct these things. Backtracking a bit, did you know that there is separation between money spent by the Federation of State Beef Council division of NCBA and the Dues/Policy Division of NCBA? They are NOT one and the same.
Further, some of the staff of NCBA work for BOTH divisions, and account for their time in 15 minute increments to assure payment is properly separated between checkoff contracts and Dues/Policy division? Also, did you know that those contracts are on a cost recovery only basis? Another important point is that there have been times when NCBA was the group which was short changed and the CBB had to reimburse THEM. Never any headlines about that, though!
Are you aware that projects start with state Beef Councils, and go through the CBB before some are chosen to be awarded to one of the eight or more contractors?
Our of curiousity, where do most of you get your information about the Beef Checkoff?
mrj
Really, I don't discount all other organizations, and in fact, am a member of Farm Bureau. I certainly don't consider those with "opposing views" as the enemy, until they ACT as an enemy in using questionnable methods to cut down either the Beef Checkoff (which would not exist had not NCBA and many state groups and Farm bureau worked to gain the vote of fellow cattle producers to bring it about.
First, you choose the word "misappropriated" for errors in accounting. Why is that? Do you have any knowledge of the systems involved? It is very complicated and sometimes staffers do not get entries coded correctly. Sometimes there is disagreement over which expenses are allowed.
The reason for frequent in house audits is to correct these things. Backtracking a bit, did you know that there is separation between money spent by the Federation of State Beef Council division of NCBA and the Dues/Policy Division of NCBA? They are NOT one and the same.
Further, some of the staff of NCBA work for BOTH divisions, and account for their time in 15 minute increments to assure payment is properly separated between checkoff contracts and Dues/Policy division? Also, did you know that those contracts are on a cost recovery only basis? Another important point is that there have been times when NCBA was the group which was short changed and the CBB had to reimburse THEM. Never any headlines about that, though!
Are you aware that projects start with state Beef Councils, and go through the CBB before some are chosen to be awarded to one of the eight or more contractors?
Our of curiousity, where do most of you get your information about the Beef Checkoff?
mrj
mytwocents
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mrj said:
There are so many ways I could respond and refute a few things…. But I have gone down this road with you before and you do not comprehend some things correctly and at times you reply back from way over in left field somewhere…. and get a post more confusing than it should be…. leaving one wondering where the heck to even begin… and if it's worth the trouble….. Sorry, but I don't have that much time on my hands at the moment. I will say this though, who helped you think of mytwocents"worth" or did you come up with that all by yourself? Kudos! Good slam to me mrj…very original. As far as where I get my information about the beef checkoff from…. Most everything I've learned comes from you and your expertise… :lol: Perhaps, that explains my misguided or misplaced or misappropriated or embezzled thoughts about it. :wink: I am happy for you that you, as well as the MINORITY of cattle ranchers in the country "ARE NCBA" dues paying members. I am even happier that I am NOT.
Sure is interesting for me to be accused of "a reply "from way over in left field", when I'm more often accused of being a right winger!
I do confess too sometimes using too many words attempting to make things clear and leave no doubt.
Unfortunately, my adding to your 'mytwocents' was accidental. Guess that the fact "my two cents worth" is a common phrase used by quite a number of people, even implied in a popular comment section of a daily newspaper I read. Another confession: I type too fast and am not the greatest at proofreading.
Unfortunately for me, I am spending more time on the computer due to some repairs needed for several of my joints. May as well get used to it, the repairs are going to take some time. If I can't be working in the yard, or babysitting, I'm going to do what I can.
I would be interested in what you believe I do not "comprehend correctly" and why you believe that, or is there no room for differing opinions in your world?
Re. the Beef Checkoff, though, facts are facts. I try my best to make sure I have them when commenting on checkoff issues. Going to the source, CBB, or NCBA, both divisions generally works.
mrj
I do confess too sometimes using too many words attempting to make things clear and leave no doubt.
Unfortunately, my adding to your 'mytwocents' was accidental. Guess that the fact "my two cents worth" is a common phrase used by quite a number of people, even implied in a popular comment section of a daily newspaper I read. Another confession: I type too fast and am not the greatest at proofreading.
Unfortunately for me, I am spending more time on the computer due to some repairs needed for several of my joints. May as well get used to it, the repairs are going to take some time. If I can't be working in the yard, or babysitting, I'm going to do what I can.
I would be interested in what you believe I do not "comprehend correctly" and why you believe that, or is there no room for differing opinions in your world?
Re. the Beef Checkoff, though, facts are facts. I try my best to make sure I have them when commenting on checkoff issues. Going to the source, CBB, or NCBA, both divisions generally works.
mrj
