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Older cows won't be crossing border this year

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Older cows won't be crossing border this year



Leader-Post

Canadian Press

April 21, 2006



WASHINGTON (CP) -- U.S. Agriculture Secretary Michael Johanns says it's unlikely that older Canadian cows and beef products will be crossing the border this year.



Two recent mad cow cases north of the border, including one confirmed in British Columbia this week, have created more work for administrators devising a plan to resume trade, Johanns said Thursday after meeting with Canada's Agriculture Minister Chuck Strahl for the first time.



"I'd hate to set a date," said Johanns. "I'd hate to say it will be by the end of 2006. But I will say this, we're very committed to getting it done."



It's important, he said, that the plan withstand the kind of legal challenges that have marked attempts to renew the cattle trade since it was shut down completely in May 2003 after Canada's first case of mad cow, or bovine spongiform encephalopathy.



R-CALF United Stockgrowers, a Montana-based ranching group, said this month it would target plans to trade in cows older than 30 months of age, thought to be at higher risk for contracting BSE than younger cattle.



The group's lawsuits have already prolonged the mad cow crisis for Canadian cattlemen.



"All of us understand the discovery of this latest cow means you have to do due diligence," Strahl said in an interview after a brief appearance with Johanns at the department's headquarters.



"Whatever rule goes ahead, it will be contested by somebody -- it's the American way."



And caution is appropriate to ensure every detail is checked, he said.



"If they don't and somebody finds something out of order, then a judge would likely send them back to the drawing board and make them start over."



But Strahl said he was encouraged by Johann's remarks earlier in the day, when he told reporters Canada has a "very, very good beef industry."



"They're doing just a lot of things very, very well," said Johanns.



The latest mad cow, Canada's fifth, was born after a 1997 ban in both countries on cattle feed containing cow parts, considered the prime way the disease is transmitted.



Still, Strahl said he's confident the ban is working.



"You don't like ever to see a BSE case, but unfortunately the scientists tell us that occasionally it will crop up over the next two, three or four years as BSE is slowly eliminated from the North American system.



American experts are participating in investigations of the B.C. dairy cow.



Trade in younger cattle resumed last July.



So far this year, Canada has shipped 386,071 cattle into the United States, according to Agriculture Department reports.



BSE is linked to more than 150 human deaths worldwide, mostly in Britain, from a deadly human nerve disorder, variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease.



Johanns and Strahl, who agreed to meet at least once a year, talked about several other issues, including avian influenza preparations and World Trade Organization talks on eliminating export subsidies on agricultural products.
 
R-CALF United Stockgrowers, a Montana-based ranching group, said this month it would target plans to trade in cows older than 30 months of age, thought to be at higher risk for contracting BSE than younger cattle.

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You would think that they would be smarter than this<shaking my head>.
If post feed ban BSE positive can happen in Canada it can also happen in America.
Grant you that in America they are not currently testing as many animals as Canada but still its bound to happen down the road.
The bigger of an issue rcalf makes this the bigger the problem it will be in the future to American producers when the same thing happens in the States.
I bet the chicken farmers and fishermen just love rcalf.
 
Still, Strahl said he's confident the ban is working.

"You don't like ever to see a BSE case, but unfortunately the scientists tell us that occasionally it will crop up over the next two, three or four years as BSE is slowly eliminated from the North American system.

You cannot eliminate BSE from North America. You can attempt to keep it out of our "systems" - but you cannot eliminate that which you have not identified.

Identifying the true agent(s) causing BSE/CWD and other neurological disorders must become a priority. I suggest we start testing for specific metals (some no doubt at minute concentrations) in the brains of deceased animals and people. (example research by Dr. DR Brown, Dr. Francois Paquet and Dr. JS Becker, to name a few.)
 
But Strahl said he was encouraged by Johann's remarks earlier in the day, when he told reporters Canada has a "very, very good beef industry."

"They're doing just a lot of things very, very well," said Johanns.

Other than breeding stock many could care less if another OTM leaves Canada for the US on the hoof. Boxed Beef is better for Canadian jobs and new plants.

When you really think about what Canada has done since May 20th 2003 has been nothing short of remarkable. Of course a large part of that is thanks to the Americans open the border to UTM's as it gave us breathing space to try and survive this mess.
 
Of course a large part of that is thanks to the Americans open the border to UTM's as it gave us breathing space to try and survive this mess.

And it will give us $60 fats again this summer :cry: ......
 
RoperAB said:
R-CALF United Stockgrowers, a Montana-based ranching group, said this month it would target plans to trade in cows older than 30 months of age, thought to be at higher risk for contracting BSE than younger cattle.

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You would think that they would be smarter than this<shaking my head>.
If post feed ban BSE positive can happen in Canada it can also happen in America.
Grant you that in America they are not currently testing as many animals as Canada but still its bound to happen down the road.
The bigger of an issue rcalf makes this the bigger the problem it will be in the future to American producers when the same thing happens in the States.
I bet the chicken farmers and fishermen just love rcalf.

Typical canadian logic ?
Hey R CALF dont tell the world we have another "BSE" case,it wont be long till you have one ,this closed mouth policy aint gonna get us no where but trouble,useing your logic ,what happens when you have another then another then 6 more now a dozen,keep quiet R CALF its just a matter of time till you have one,then what will you tell the american consumer?
well let me be the first to guarantee you "THE TRUTH" you might wanna give it a try some time,work with your neighbors to the south,instead of being a packer puppet,must be a terrible thing ,haveing people like that control your destiny................good luck
 
Oldtimer said:
Of course a large part of that is thanks to the Americans open the border to UTM's as it gave us breathing space to try and survive this mess.

And it will give us $60 fats again this summer :cry: ......

Or is it because R-Calf is still trying to kill consumer demand for beef?
 
Bill said:
Oldtimer said:
Of course a large part of that is thanks to the Americans open the border to UTM's as it gave us breathing space to try and survive this mess.

And it will give us $60 fats again this summer :cry: ......

Or is it because R-Calf is still trying to kill consumer demand for beef?

Canada is doing a good job with that part too-- Some of the consumers websites are splashed with the last Canadian BSE cow article- and the fact that Canadian beef is being imported into the US and sold unlabeled--and the feedban loopholes of both countries....People were told that the loopholes would be closed-- and that the feedban would guarantee to stop it- Now they are finding out they were fibbed to.......
 
Bill said:
Oldtimer said:
Of course a large part of that is thanks to the Americans open the border to UTM's as it gave us breathing space to try and survive this mess.

And it will give us $60 fats again this summer :cry: ......

Or is it because R-Calf is still trying to kill consumer demand for beef?

Bill I don't know where you went to logic school but I think you got rookered.

How does supporting bse testing for Creekstone hurt consumer demand?
 
Oldtimer said:
Bill said:
Oldtimer said:
And it will give us $60 fats again this summer :cry: ......

Or is it because R-Calf is still trying to kill consumer demand for beef?

Canada is doing a good job with that part too-- Some of the consumers websites are splashed with the last Canadian BSE cow article- and the fact that Canadian beef is being imported into the US and sold unlabeled--and the feedban loopholes of both countries....People were told that the loopholes would be closed-- and that the feedban would guarantee to stop it- Now they are finding out they were fibbed to.......

Can you find a beef producer group in Canada that has told consumers beef is a risk to their health? :roll: :roll: Your generalizations are incredible.
 
HAY MAKER said:
RoperAB said:
R-CALF United Stockgrowers, a Montana-based ranching group, said this month it would target plans to trade in cows older than 30 months of age, thought to be at higher risk for contracting BSE than younger cattle.

Reply
You would think that they would be smarter than this<shaking my head>.
If post feed ban BSE positive can happen in Canada it can also happen in America.
Grant you that in America they are not currently testing as many animals as Canada but still its bound to happen down the road.
The bigger of an issue rcalf makes this the bigger the problem it will be in the future to American producers when the same thing happens in the States.
I bet the chicken farmers and fishermen just love rcalf.

Typical canadian logic ?
Hey R CALF dont tell the world we have another "BSE" case,it wont be long till you have one ,this closed mouth policy aint gonna get us no where but trouble,useing your logic ,what happens when you have another then another then 6 more now a dozen,keep quiet R CALF its just a matter of time till you have one,then what will you tell the american consumer?
well let me be the first to guarantee you "THE TRUTH" you might wanna give it a try some time,work with your neighbors to the south,instead of being a packer puppet,must be a terrible thing ,haveing people like that control your destiny................good luck

Canada has been very up front and honest. Thats why Canadians actually ate more beef after BSE was discovered.
The dont look/ dont tell policy is not whats going on up here and you know it.
 
Bill said:
Oldtimer said:
Bill said:
Or is it because R-Calf is still trying to kill consumer demand for beef?

Canada is doing a good job with that part too-- Some of the consumers websites are splashed with the last Canadian BSE cow article- and the fact that Canadian beef is being imported into the US and sold unlabeled--and the feedban loopholes of both countries....People were told that the loopholes would be closed-- and that the feedban would guarantee to stop it- Now they are finding out they were fibbed to.......

Can you find a beef producer group in Canada that has told consumers beef is a risk to their health? :roll: :roll: Your generalizations are incredible.

Its actually sad, sone of them <rcalf>just dont see it. That or they just dont care. They want to screw us so bad that they dont care if they ruin there own industry in the process.
Things would be better for all producers north and south if some of them would think about things more and work together for the common good of the industry.
Its like they have this hate on and it blinds them.
 
RoperAB said:
Bill said:
Oldtimer said:
Canada is doing a good job with that part too-- Some of the consumers websites are splashed with the last Canadian BSE cow article- and the fact that Canadian beef is being imported into the US and sold unlabeled--and the feedban loopholes of both countries....People were told that the loopholes would be closed-- and that the feedban would guarantee to stop it- Now they are finding out they were fibbed to.......

Can you find a beef producer group in Canada that has told consumers beef is a risk to their health? :roll: :roll: Your generalizations are incredible.

Its actually sad, sone of them <rcalf>just dont see it. That or they just dont care. They want to screw us so bad that they dont care if they ruin there own industry in the process.
Things would be better for all producers north and south if some of them would think about things more and work together for the common good of the industry.
Its like they have this hate on and it blinds them.

RoperAB,there are thousands of fine cattle men/women that are R CALF members that have never hated anyone.
There are many more that know canada has some good cattle men/women that are fine people,dont try to twist this into something its not .I am a R CALF member and I hate no one and have never supported the border closure,until it became obvious there is a real health concern,you want the border opened to "OTM" cattle put your buisness in order and keep it that way..............good luck
PS tell me why you love packers,where were you when they were robbing the canadian cattle man,or maybe you helped them ?
 
...ot...if the fat price is getting that bad down there...send them up here... our utm's slaughter capacity is only running at 70 percent ...becareful though the red tape might eat up your profit...

ps... don't forget to eat that good canadian beef tonight...oh i mean american beef ot (advertising sponsored by tyson bringing that beef to a store near you) :wink:
 
Econ101 said:
Bill said:
Oldtimer said:
And it will give us $60 fats again this summer :cry: ......

Or is it because R-Calf is still trying to kill consumer demand for beef?

Bill I don't know where you went to logic school but I think you got rookered.

How does supporting bse testing for Creekstone hurt consumer demand?

Econ I think the R-CALF's statement about "All beef coming from a country affect by BSE is tainted and a risk to human health" tops the list for stupid comments made by a BEEF ORGANIZATION. In light of the fact that BSE was found in their very own NATIVE HERD. When Judge Cebull's comments included "Canadian beef presents a genuine risk of death" because of BSE. How were the US consumers suppose to look at the beef in the meat counter when they had to know there were thousands of Canadian born cattle now residing in the US and US cattle also have BSE? Why don't you really look at some of the R-CALF statements before you make comments about others logic? :roll:
 
Tam please provide where R-CALF stated the quote you used.

"All beef coming from a country affect by BSE is tainted and a risk to human health"

Is that an exact quote or are you adding your own little touch to it?
 
Tommy said:
Tam please provide where R-CALF stated the quote you used.

"All beef coming from a country affect by BSE is tainted and a risk to human health"

Is that an exact quote or are you adding your own little touch to it?

Tommy,I think she has been asked this question many times and she pretends she does not see it,and given the recent outbreak of new cases of post feed ban "BSE" in canada I will say there is a certain amount of risk in all beef coming from a country where "BSE" is that prevalent,no one has BSE completely understood,and until they do I say we err on the side of safety,I have nothing against the canadian cattle men,I get tired of this same ole "BS" about how R CALF hates canadians it's simply not true..................you want the border opened ?Quit having new cases of BSE..................good luck
 
HAY MAKER said:
RoperAB said:
Bill said:
Can you find a beef producer group in Canada that has told consumers beef is a risk to their health? :roll: :roll: Your generalizations are incredible.

Its actually sad, sone of them <rcalf>just dont see it. That or they just dont care. They want to screw us so bad that they dont care if they ruin there own industry in the process.
Things would be better for all producers north and south if some of them would think about things more and work together for the common good of the industry.
Its like they have this hate on and it blinds them.

RoperAB,there are thousands of fine cattle men/women that are R CALF members that have never hated anyone.
There are many more that know canada has some good cattle men/women that are fine people,dont try to twist this into something its not . I am a R CALF member and I hate no one and have never supported the border closure,until it became obvious there is a real health concern,you want the border opened to "OTM" cattle put your buisness in order and keep it that way..............good luck
PS tell me why you love packers,where were you when they were robbing the canadian cattle man,or maybe you helped them ?

Haymaker talking out of the other side of his mouth:

Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject:

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Yup,that would be good ole sh,its obvious who represents the cattle man,R CALF is our voice,they are the cattle man's group that will bring fairness to the markets.
As I read Denny's post about ncba a no show again I say it proves what I been saying,ncba is alot of things but dumb is not one of them,why would they debate R CALF and get embarassed again,the theory now is as old as the hills "why go prove R calf is right time after time" much better to stay away and spout packer rhetoric from a safe distance,kinda like sh, seems to be their MO...............good luck

PS before you Canadians get your ash in the air,let me make it perfectly clear,I have not and do not support the border being closed,let me ask a simple question,if we were to test all cattle would that not solve several problems? then get on with the real problem passage of M COOL & The captive supply reform act.
Its called "FAIRNESS" think about it .



I have not and do not support the border being closed

or

I hate no one and have never supported the border closure,until it became obvious there is a real health concern

Which is it Haymaker do you support the border closure or not. Talking out of both sides of your mouth again?
 

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