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One less mountain lion in Harding County

I've changed my mind, here's the mountain lion Tony Dean should meet while he's out hunting: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_3716178

This is one lucky little boy. Do you suppose his parents think mountain lions need to be protected?
 
LB there is risk in many aspects of life and to say "ALL" mt lions should be exterminated because of a risk is some kind of thinking LOL. You could die tomorrow from a vehicle collsion or so could I, should we ban all motor vehicles because of that risk? You must weigh the risk and put them into perspective and that will tell where concerns should lay for the majority.
You can get rabies from dogs,cats,skunks,bats,horses can even carry rabies I guess we should shoot "ALL" vectors that can carry rabies too. When out in the wilds many people assume risk, from being bitten by snakes,falling off rocks or rare attacks from wild animals, now I will state the crazys of California add to those risk with very little control of certain species and should allow more to be harvested, but many states have seasons and take out many species that cause harm to people,livestock and property, their needs to be a balance not total extinction because some want to see that. Also just to note the people of colorado banned trapping in there state a few years back!!!! Bad move on there part,beavers and coyote numbers have risen alot since then.

Whenever you have wild animals and people living together, we can't always control what happens," Solohub said.
It's going to happen every once in a while unless you kill every mountain lion in the state," Corwin said of Saturday's attack.

People have been killed by deer,elk, and mosse as well I guess we need to just clean house and take them all out as well? A nice safe and sertile environment I guess hay LB?
 
Boy, this topic really has inspired the conversation to churn about.

HB, I hear you trying to reason with us who sit on the other side of the table. You are saying we want to kill every lion that lives. Yet if you read the posts, all we want is the right to protect our own not to be infringed upon by a government that tends to think of itself as all knowing.

You hear us say "Kill them all". We aren't, we're saying. "We know what's best for our own property." You hear barbaric rantings. We hear you saying, "I know better than you what's best for you."

Opinion, whatever that opinion may be, causes one to hear certain things in what another says. I just happen to think I hear you more clearly than you hear me.

And just so you know, you can't believe everything you read on the internet. :)
 
Need to learn there is no problem with protecting livestock or people, or having trapping/ hunting seasons. I think you as landowner and producer have a right to protect that! The point I'm making is haveing a 365 day total kill policy on species that could not handle that kind of pressure, if the specie popultion can and it is warranted fine, but certain species would not be around and to think that isn't what some are pointing at with their post on this board is not being real. I'm done on this matter good day!
 
Koj,
Suppose the lion was looking for a juicy fat dog to dine on. :wink: My husband hauls wheat to Omaha and he said on one of his trips there was a coon crossing the interstate close to the downtown area......
 
Hey, koj, maybe old Happy Go Lucky can take time off from his job with game and fish and try to talk that mountain lion out of eating pets and small children?

Although I'm sure he thinks that folks in Omaha need to realize that the wildlife was there first and it's their own fault if anyone becomes cat food.
 
Here's yet another mountain lion for the Tony Deans in this world. Wish that they were attacked instead of kids like this one.

Teen says lion attacked him
Associated Press

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. - A Lake County teenager says he was attacked by a mountain lion near Ramona.

Kurt Clark, 16, said he was playing with his dog Sunday night when he saw the big cat going into the woods. Clark said he grabbed his deer rifle and fired a warning shot but thought the cat had run off.

Clark said that's when he was attacked from behind. "When I turned around, that's when it knocked me down," he said.

His shirt was torn, and he was rattled but was not hurt.

The cat ran away when Clark's, yellow lab, Bo, came to the rescue.

Game, Fish and Parks Department officials said they believe the lion was a young male and probably is miles away by now.

The department did not notify neighbors because "we're fairly confident (the mountain lion) has moved on. They travel huge distances," said Ron Schauer of the GF&P.

Roger Hartman, Lake County sheriff, said it certainly could have been a mountain lion.

"Not saying it can't happen. Because a year ago they had one down in Yankton," he said. "Whether it was a cougar or not, I don't know."

A young mountain lion was shot in Yankton in June 2004. The cats are more common in western South Dakota.

Mountain lions generally are quiet and elusive, said George Vandel, assistant director of the GF&P's Division of Wildlife.

"According to statistics, since 1890, fewer than two dozen people have been killed by a mountain lion in the United States and Canada," he said.
There has been only one other reported lion attack in state history - 37 years ago in Custer State Park. Charlie McGuigan, an assistant attorney general, was a toddler when a lion grabbed him by the head and scarred his face.

McGuigan's father, Dave McGuigan, grabbed the lion and it let go of his son. The cat, a full-grown male, was kept at the park in a small zoo. It had been raised in captivity.

A longtime park employee said the male lion, a female lion, some wolves and other animals had been set loose by an intruder just a few days before the attack in August 1969.

The male lion was caught shortly after the attack and taken back to its cage. The female lion was shot by a Hermosa teenager several months later.

People who see a mountain lion should stay calm, back away slowly and try to make themselves appear larger, Vandel said. He advises people to throw sticks and stones, talk calmly and firmly and do not run.
"If a lion attacks, fight back," he said.

Information from: Argus Leader, http://www.argusleader.com
April 26, 2006
http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aberdeennews/news/14432813.htm
 
Here's what South Dakota War College blog had to say about the incident:

I'm failing to see how letting them flourish benefits South Dakotans
From today's Argus:
A Ramona boy said he encountered a mountain lion in his yard in northwest Lake County, officials said Tuesday.

Kurt Clark, 16, was playing fetch with his yellow lab, Bo, Sunday night when he said he saw a mountain lion in nearby trees. Clark said he went into his house, got his deer rifle and fired a warning shot outside.

"When I turned around, that's when it knocked me down," Clark said.

Bees pollinate. Mice and other things are food for slightly larger predators, etc. And then we get to mountain lions.

In South Dakota, they compete with people for food, such as deer and domestic livestock. And now they're starting to look at us as food. Sorry, Snagglepuss. Time for eradication efforts to begin, and advocating for that hunting season to be blown wide open.

(This message brought to you by a person who has an unreasonable fear of mountain lions. And flying. And Spiders.)

http://dakotawarcollege.blogspot.com/
 
eradication?????? What ever! I get sick of listening to this crap. The thing wasnt even confirmed as a lion and everyone is calling for a witch hunt. I am not saying the kid is lying but it hasnt been confirmed. SHould we all be afraid of going outside? The gfp, your favorite, thinks the critter was startled.....they dont think the thing attacked. I know you believe everything they tell ya. Why would you fire a warning shot? why not shoot the dang thing? I woudl think there would be some tracks around the joint....its been wet enought and thats cropland area.
 
eradication?????? What ever! I get sick of listening to this crap. The thing wasnt even confirmed as a lion and everyone is calling for a witch hunt. I am not saying the kid is lying but it hasnt been confirmed. SHould we all be afraid of going outside? The gfp, your favorite, thinks the critter was startled.....they dont think the thing attacked. I know you believe everything they tell ya. Why would you fire a warning shot? why not shoot the dang thing? I woudl think there would be some tracks around the joint....its been wet enought and thats cropland area.
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You don't suppose the boy was startled too, do you?

Now I, and maybe even you, would have shot that mountain lion if we came across him in our yard, but bear in mind that this kid, like most of the public, knows that it against the law to shoot a mountain lion. Would you fault him for obeying the law instead of doing what should have been done? I would rather he had shot the lion too, but at least this way he doesn't have to pay any legal fees.

And how about the little kid in this story? A mountain lion definitely stalked and attacked this seven-year-old, didn't it? Or was it just confused?

I'll post the article if you didn't bother to read it:
Mountain lion attacks boy on Boulder trail
By Kirk Mitchell
Denver Post Staff Writer

Boulder - Members of a 7-year-old boy's family drove off a mountain lion that attacked him on a trail on Flagstaff Mountain late Saturday.

The boy, who was not identified, was walking last in a single file of eight family members and friends near the Crown Rock trailhead about 6 p.m. when his father turned and saw the lion on him.

The lion seized the child by the head and dragged him toward the woods, family members told Jason Blumen, a supervisor with Pridemark Paramedic Services, at Boulder Community Hospital.

They shouted and struck the lion with rocks and sticks, said Tyler Baskfield, a spokesman for the state Division of Wildlife. "They did everything possible to defend the boy from the lion," Baskfield said. "You've got to fight back with everything you have if you're attacked by a mountain lion."

Authorities said the boy had injuries consistent with a mountain lion attack including claw marks on his leg and puncture wounds on his jaw and head.

"The family showed unbelievable courage and bravery," said Blumen. "It was the family that ultimately scared the animal away, and I am 100 percent sure that they saved his life."

Blumen said the boy, who was later transferred from the Boulder hospital to Children's Hospital in Denver, is doing "remarkably well." Family members, who declined interviews, issued a statement saying he was in stable condition. The family's home town was not available.

Dean Paschall, division manager of visitor environmental services for the city of Boulder, which owns the popular recreation area, said the boy suffered facial lacerations and bite marks on one leg.

"This is something that is extremely unusual," Paschall said. "The mountain lions here are very accustomed to human beings. They don't look at humans as their natural food source."

Claire Solohub of the Division of Wildlife said traps were being set and baited with road kill to catch the lion. Search dogs and officers with guns and flashlights were combing the area.

"Whenever you have wild animals and people living together, we can't always control what happens," Solohub said.

Baskfield said the cougar, if found, would be killed in the interest of safety because it's possible it would strike again.

"The mountain lion may have been confused and thought the boy was prey because of his size," he added.

Baskfield said authorities are considering restricting access to trails on Flagstaff Mountain until the mountain lion is found.

Boulder resident Chuck Corwin, who frequently hikes in the area, said he has never seen a mountain lion there, but the animals have had so much interaction with people that they're not afraid of them.

"It's going to happen every once in a while unless you kill every mountain lion in the state," Corwin said of Saturday's attack.

Although cougar attacks are rare, mountain lions have killed people in Colorado - three in the past 15 years.

There are an estimated 5,000 big cats in Colorado. Males can grow to more than 8 feet long from nose to tail and weigh up to 150 pounds.

Staff writer Kirk Mitchell can be reached at 303-820-1206 or [email protected]

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_3716178
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As for eradication comment, that was the opinion of the guy on the blog, but it's a fact that mountain lions, wolves and bears HAD been eradicated from our state for almost a century and they were eradicated because of the danger they posed to humans, livestock and other wildlife.

I can't see any reason to keep them around now either, can you?
 
I forgot to add that our retired GF&P trapper, who did a wonderful job of taking care of predators for years until he retired, saw a mountain lion in his yard right inside the city limits of Buffalo, South Dakota a couple weeks ago. And no, he was not mistaken. Bob grew up in Idaho and trapped mountain lions for the bounty when he was a kid. He still thinks there should be a bounty on them and we agree.
 
Guess GF&P found more than just tracks. Now if they could just get Tony Dean to visit.... :twisted:

Mountain lion incident near Ramona confirmed
4/28/2006

The Game, Fish and Parks Department has confirmed that it was a mountain lion that swiped at a teenager near Ramona earlier this week. Ron Schauer, Regional Wildlife Manager, says that laboratory analysis of the scat (or droppings) that was picked up from the site is that of a mountain lion. Schauer says the determination was based on the size of the feces and the mountain lion hairs that were removed from the outside of one of the three samples. Schauer says that the G-F-and-P is now classifying the mountain lion incident as a "verified encounter".

16-year-old Kurt Clark says the mountain lion swiped at him and tore his shirt, but he was not injured. Schauer says the teen saw the mountain lion, fired a gun to scare it, and then encountered it again when he went into some trees. He says that the mountain lion most likely felt threatened and was reacting defensively when he came at the teen.

Schauer says he believes the mountain lion was a young male and believes the animal has left the area, because they are capable of traveling long distances.

If anyone does see a mountain lion, Schauer says they need to report it to authorities immediately.

http://www.kjamradio.com/local/item.aspx?type=1&id=4144
 
i dont know why there is not a bounty on coyotes anyway....give some a reason to hunt them. Maybe you ranchers out west should put some $$ in a pot for an incentive for hunters to come out and hunt them......but i forgot, they cant on your place because your locked out.
 
i am sure the kid was scared shi$#less, thats for sure, i would be too. Maybe the best place for these animals are behind bars, in a zoo. NOT

Its a scary thing, those lions, thats for sure. Awsome, majestic animal they are. 99.99% will never ever be a problem, but i guess the only good lion is a dead lion?

Its something you, me and everyone else is gonna have to get used to, like it or not!
 
Southdakotahunter said:
i am sure the kid was scared shi$#less, thats for sure, i would be too. Maybe the best place for these animals are behind bars, in a zoo. NOT

Its a scary thing, those lions, thats for sure. Awsome, majestic animal they are. 99.99% will never ever be a problem, but i guess the only good lion is a dead lion?

Its something you, me and everyone else is gonna have to get used to, like it or not![/quote

You need to buy a ranch instead of just being jealous of those who have one. You might have to work more than 8 hours a day with coffee breaks, sick leave, holidays and etc. paid for. You people make me sick. :mad:
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