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Ontario Land Prices

PureCountry

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Hi Folks,
Just curious, but can you Easterners tell me how pricey bare grass/bush land is in Ontario? The wife and I were checking a friend's real estate listing the other night with them, and while fiddling around on the website I did a search for bare land and a bunch of listings came up in Ontario. Some around Dryden, some around Kapuskasing and Kirkman Lake that seemed really cheap to me. 200, 300, 400 acre pieces with lake or river frontage areas for $500/acre or less in some cases. Some ads said they came with mineral and timber rights.

Am I missing something? Didn't think there would be land that cheap in Ontario.
 
If you'd see it, it would make more sense. I'm not saying that it's overpriced, but it's not very great land. Not sure what it would support of cows. Some Amish families are moving up that way from our area.

Aaron could tell you better because it's a lot closer to his part of the province.

Down here in mid-western Ontario, we are looking at around $20,000/acre. 150 - 200 bu.corn ground. Woodstock area, $25,000. Lots of dairy farmers there. Need I say more . . .

Gcreek's country is looking better all the time. :?
 
The question is, why is Burnt still twiddling his thumbs and sitting down in the rat race of S. Ontario? I think I would like him as a neighbour much more than these Mennonites and Amish that are moving in here.
Although it is fun watching these newcomers try and make a go of it. Lots of talk for the coffee shop.

You want to avoid most of the places you listed, PC. Dryden, Kirkland Lake, Kapuskasing, etc. are all small outcrops of tillable land. Lots of small parcels of land amongst a lot of bush. If you want a decent area available for expansion, I will suggest my area, between Rainy River and Fort Frances, which is quickly becoming the 'last frontier' in Ontario.

Now it's not all sunshine and roses. The major factor that keeps people out of here is the remoteness. Closest city from here is Winnipeg at 3 1/2 hours, followed by Thunder Bay at 5 hours and Minneapolis at about 5 hours as well. That's assuming that the US of A allows you to cross their border to take the shortcut to Winnipeg, otherwise, it is a 5 hour drive as well. Also, ag-related industry is pretty much non-existant here, that is why a few of us buy the majority of our inputs in Minnesota.

Next-door neighbours sold their place for about $980 an acre. That included 320 acres and a 3000 sq ft, 30 year old home with geothermal. Expensive to us, but cheap by most standards. Fences were falling down in every direction, but that didn't matter to the new owner. He's a feedlot man and it going to clear it all for corn and barley. :roll: :lol: So far it's been a real gong show and it should be available to purchase within the next couple of years.

Make no mistake, this is cow and backgrounder country. Grass country. Not feedlot alley. Grains are basically grown on a hobby-type basis. Any volume of feed is brought in from Winnipeg on a regular basis.

Corn will grow here (120-150 bus/acre). Our heat units are very close to Burnt's. But forget barley - far too wet for it. Oats do well (70-120 bus/acre). Not enough canola or soybeans has been grown to get a good estimate. In dry years, like the last 2, they do well.

You can't swath graze here and bale-grazing is tough (because of the amount of snow). A normal winter will see 3-4 feet of snow everywhere. Although it has been a while, we can get a freak winter where we get 5-6+ feet. And the snow stays. Not like Burnt's area where you can get a dump and it melts away within a week or two, or on the prairie where it blows away.

Unless it is bought by someone from outside, bare land never sells for over $600-800/acre here. Most doesn't sell for over $500. There isn't a great deal of demand for it and the old standby of Americans looking for hunting land or 'investment land' has collapsed since before the recession.

People are cheap here in every aspect. Bull sellers from Manitoba have come to sell bulls here and left with a trailer load of bulls, muttering "cheap SOB's" I have yet to see a two-year old bull sell for more than $2500 around here. Lots of yearlings for around $2000. And that is top-end prices.
So, to sum up, yes land is cheap, but there are reasons why.

I can think of a few people you could contact if your interested in land around here.

Here is an older listing of land available here. My neighbour's place was the 2nd picture from the bottom, Stratton - 325 acres. I'm not sure where the extra 5 acres came from. :lol:

http://www.rainyrivervalley.ca/pdf/land-sale.pdf
 
Answer to your question?

Cuz burnt's a mostly worn out, almost 60, sorta Mennonite guy who doesn't think he has enough gas left in the tank to make the big move.

And since you're still in Ontario I'd still have to pay for McGuinty's screwups wouldn't I . . .
 
burnt said:
Answer to your question?

Cuz burnt's a mostly worn out, almost 60, sorta Mennonite guy who doesn't think he has enough gas left in the tank to make the big move.

And since you're still in Ontario I'd still have to pay for McGuinty's screwups wouldn't I . . .

Land just sold down the road here - - about 90 acres - went for $16,000 an acre

As for Burnts description - count me as Burnt junior - turning 58 in a few days and starting to get tired of fighting to make ends meet - that and the disrespect I am feeling from various government agencies.

I could rent for cash and never pay taxes again - getting close to doing it.

Screw them all - I am ready for that thatched roof beach side bar and a cold beer in the Cook Islands with my "tax savings" - bet it would not take much to convince "she who must be obeyed" to join me.

Best to all

BC
 
burnt said:
Answer to your question?

Cuz burnt's a mostly worn out, almost 60, sorta Mennonite guy who doesn't think he has enough gas left in the tank to make the big move.

And since you're still in Ontario I'd still have to pay for McGuinty's screwups wouldn't I . . .

Oh, but not for long. Gotta be a Conservative majority around the corner here in the spring. Then cut, cut, cut and let's gut the system. One thing from ag I want gone is the risk management system. Let the free market do it's thing and avoid any countervailing from the US.

Oh, and you can't be Mennonite because your using the Devil's notebook, the Internet. :lol:
 
Aaron said:
The question is, why is Burnt still twiddling his thumbs and sitting down in the rat race of S. Ontario? I think I would like him as a neighbour much more than these Mennonites and Amish that are moving in here.
Although it is fun watching these newcomers try and make a go of it. Lots of talk for the coffee shop.

You want to avoid most of the places you listed, PC. Dryden, Kirkland Lake, Kapuskasing, etc. are all small outcrops of tillable land. Lots of small parcels of land amongst a lot of bush. If you want a decent area available for expansion, I will suggest my area, between Rainy River and Fort Frances, which is quickly becoming the 'last frontier' in Ontario.

Now it's not all sunshine and roses. The major factor that keeps people out of here is the remoteness. Closest city from here is Winnipeg at 3 1/2 hours, followed by Thunder Bay at 5 hours and Minneapolis at about 5 hours as well. That's assuming that the US of A allows you to cross their border to take the shortcut to Winnipeg, otherwise, it is a 5 hour drive as well. Also, ag-related industry is pretty much non-existant here, that is why a few of us buy the majority of our inputs in Minnesota.

Next-door neighbours sold their place for about $980 an acre. That included 320 acres and a 3000 sq ft, 30 year old home with geothermal. Expensive to us, but cheap by most standards. Fences were falling down in every direction, but that didn't matter to the new owner. He's a feedlot man and it going to clear it all for corn and barley. :roll: :lol: So far it's been a real gong show and it should be available to purchase within the next couple of years.

Make no mistake, this is cow and backgrounder country. Grass country. Not feedlot alley. Grains are basically grown on a hobby-type basis. Any volume of feed is brought in from Winnipeg on a regular basis.

Corn will grow here (120-150 bus/acre). Our heat units are very close to Burnt's. But forget barley - far too wet for it. Oats do well (70-120 bus/acre). Not enough canola or soybeans has been grown to get a good estimate. In dry years, like the last 2, they do well.

You can't swath graze here and bale-grazing is tough (because of the amount of snow). A normal winter will see 3-4 feet of snow everywhere. Although it has been a while, we can get a freak winter where we get 5-6+ feet. And the snow stays. Not like Burnt's area where you can get a dump and it melts away within a week or two, or on the prairie where it blows away.

Unless it is bought by someone from outside, bare land never sells for over $600-800/acre here. Most doesn't sell for over $500. There isn't a great deal of demand for it and the old standby of Americans looking for hunting land or 'investment land' has collapsed since before the recession.

People are cheap here in every aspect. Bull sellers from Manitoba have come to sell bulls here and left with a trailer load of bulls, muttering "cheap SOB's" I have yet to see a two-year old bull sell for more than $2500 around here. Lots of yearlings for around $2000. And that is top-end prices.
So, to sum up, yes land is cheap, but there are reasons why.

I can think of a few people you could contact if your interested in land around here.

Here is an older listing of land available here. My neighbour's place was the 2nd picture from the bottom, Stratton - 325 acres. I'm not sure where the extra 5 acres came from. :lol:

http://www.rainyrivervalley.ca/pdf/land-sale.pdf

That sounds like my place, but here corn won't grow because of nightless summer. How long is your winter? Is there any income with cattle for real?
and then the important, how's fishing and hunting opportunities?
When this EU thing crashes, I will be moving there like my great grandparents did. :wink:
 
P.A.L said:
Aaron said:
The question is, why is Burnt still twiddling his thumbs and sitting down in the rat race of S. Ontario? I think I would like him as a neighbour much more than these Mennonites and Amish that are moving in here.
Although it is fun watching these newcomers try and make a go of it. Lots of talk for the coffee shop.

You want to avoid most of the places you listed, PC. Dryden, Kirkland Lake, Kapuskasing, etc. are all small outcrops of tillable land. Lots of small parcels of land amongst a lot of bush. If you want a decent area available for expansion, I will suggest my area, between Rainy River and Fort Frances, which is quickly becoming the 'last frontier' in Ontario.

Now it's not all sunshine and roses. The major factor that keeps people out of here is the remoteness. Closest city from here is Winnipeg at 3 1/2 hours, followed by Thunder Bay at 5 hours and Minneapolis at about 5 hours as well. That's assuming that the US of A allows you to cross their border to take the shortcut to Winnipeg, otherwise, it is a 5 hour drive as well. Also, ag-related industry is pretty much non-existant here, that is why a few of us buy the majority of our inputs in Minnesota.

Next-door neighbours sold their place for about $980 an acre. That included 320 acres and a 3000 sq ft, 30 year old home with geothermal. Expensive to us, but cheap by most standards. Fences were falling down in every direction, but that didn't matter to the new owner. He's a feedlot man and it going to clear it all for corn and barley. :roll: :lol: So far it's been a real gong show and it should be available to purchase within the next couple of years.

Make no mistake, this is cow and backgrounder country. Grass country. Not feedlot alley. Grains are basically grown on a hobby-type basis. Any volume of feed is brought in from Winnipeg on a regular basis.

Corn will grow here (120-150 bus/acre). Our heat units are very close to Burnt's. But forget barley - far too wet for it. Oats do well (70-120 bus/acre). Not enough canola or soybeans has been grown to get a good estimate. In dry years, like the last 2, they do well.

You can't swath graze here and bale-grazing is tough (because of the amount of snow). A normal winter will see 3-4 feet of snow everywhere. Although it has been a while, we can get a freak winter where we get 5-6+ feet. And the snow stays. Not like Burnt's area where you can get a dump and it melts away within a week or two, or on the prairie where it blows away.

Unless it is bought by someone from outside, bare land never sells for over $600-800/acre here. Most doesn't sell for over $500. There isn't a great deal of demand for it and the old standby of Americans looking for hunting land or 'investment land' has collapsed since before the recession.

People are cheap here in every aspect. Bull sellers from Manitoba have come to sell bulls here and left with a trailer load of bulls, muttering "cheap SOB's" I have yet to see a two-year old bull sell for more than $2500 around here. Lots of yearlings for around $2000. And that is top-end prices.
So, to sum up, yes land is cheap, but there are reasons why.

I can think of a few people you could contact if your interested in land around here.

Here is an older listing of land available here. My neighbour's place was the 2nd picture from the bottom, Stratton - 325 acres. I'm not sure where the extra 5 acres came from. :lol:

http://www.rainyrivervalley.ca/pdf/land-sale.pdf

That sounds like my place, but here corn won't grow because of nightless summer. How long is your winter? Is there any income with cattle for real?
and then the important, how's fishing and hunting opportunities?
When this EU thing crashes, I will be moving there like my great grandparents did. :wink:

With the way land prices are in North America, if your gonna make money with cattle, this is the place to be. A lot depends on the lifestyle you want. But unless your going to lose out completely on the subsidies in Finland, I would stay put.

Hunting and fishing is world-renowned.

My great grandparents didn't know where the best place to go was.
First they went to the US, then back to Finland and then to Canada.
 

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