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Packers stealing cattle

Sandhusker

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Beef Packers All But Stealing U.S. Cattle;

At the Meat Counter, Consumers Also Get the Shaft

This 615-word piece is authored by R-CALF USA Region V (Texas) Director Stayton Weldon, who runs a herd of Hereford cows, breeds them to Brahman bulls and raises the F-1 Braford heifer, which is very adaptable to the climate where he ranches. For additional bio information or a mug shot of Weldon, contact R-CALF USA Communications Coordinator Shae Dodson.

Billings, Mont. / Cuero, Texas – Media reports indicate that U.S. cattle feeders have lost $3 billion from the sales of fed cattle in just the past 11 months, and the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) estimates that feeders lost an astounding $23.82 per hundredweight (cwt) for fed cattle sold in October 2008 and $22.70 per hundredweight for fed cattle sold in November 2008. This represents losses on each animal sold at $298 and $284, respectively.

Someone needs to stand up and holler, "Foul!"

In a report issued by the CME Group on Monday, Nov. 24, 2008, the multinational meatpackers' gross margins for 2008 far exceed their average gross margins earned during the years 2002 through 2006. USDA also reports that the spread between what U.S. cattle feeders received for their cattle and what U.S. consumers paid for beef was wider from August through October 2008 than at any time in our industry's history. A widening spread between what the cattle feeder receives for cattle and what consumers pay for beef indicates that the marketplace has become inefficient, non-competitive and unjust for both cattle producers and consumers, and that's exactly what is happening.

In October, the share of the consumers' beef dollar received by the U.S. cattle feeder fell to just 43 cents, which is lower than the share they were receiving in 2002 when fed cattle were selling for less than $67 per cwt, well below the cost of production.

What this means is that the U.S. fed cattle market has become so manipulated by the corporate packers that they are able to all but steal cattle from hard-working U.S. cattle feeders and then sell the beef produced from those cattle at record prices to wholesalers, which it turn sell the beef at record prices to unsuspecting consumers. Retail beef prices from August through October 2008 were higher than at any time in history – while cattle producers were losing their shirts.

The tremendous losses in our fed cattle market has impacted, and will continue to impact, the prices for lighter-weight cattle sold by cow/calf producers and others. Additionally, these losses will accelerate the continuing exodus of independent feeders from our industry. During the 10-year period from 1997 to 2007, our industry suffered a loss of 19,000 feedlots. That means there already are 19,000 fewer buyers for lighter-weight cattle than there was just a decade ago. The current fiasco will certainly worsen this negative trend.

The National Cattlemen's Beef Association (NCBA), which receives millions from the mandatory beef checkoff program paid for by hard-working U.S. cattle producers, blocked every effort by independent cattle producers who tried to correct this problem in Congress last year, before it could reach the disastrous proportions we're now experiencing. NCBA made certain that corporate packers were able to keep the tools they use to manipulate the live cattle market. These anticompetitive tools are known as captive supplies and they include packer ownership of cattle and formula contracts that do not contain a negotiated price.

R-CALF USA has warned the industry for years that if we do not reform captive supplies, our industry will continue to shrink until independent cattle producers can no longer afford to stay in business without obtaining a production contract from a beef packer. This already has happened to the once independent hog producers, by way of vertical integration, and this would be the end of economic independence for U.S. cattle producers.

I urge my fellow cattle producers to vote with your pocketbooks and vote now, before it's too late. Quit supporting the packer-aligned trade associations with your membership and contributions, and immediately join and support the trade association – R-CALF USA – that exclusively represents your interests: the interests of independent live cattle producers.
 
gcreekrch said:
and WHEN was COOL implemented???


Definately helped you guys almost as much as it did us. :roll:

As of last week, COOL was not implemented in the local grocery store. It should have been implemented when it passed, but a few Congressmen, notably Senator Thad Cochrane, who decided not to fund its implementation.

We need Congressmen who will represent the people, not their cronies in industry. We have had enough undermining of the public interests in the last two president's administrations and in Congress where the dollar bill is a false idol.
 
So the part of COOL that gives packers the excuse to lower prices of Canadian cattle because of labeling costs has passed but the rest hasn't?

When our prices go down, yours follow.
With the dollar difference our prices should be 15-20% over yours. They are pretty close to par because of COOL.
Once again the packer benefits without having much risk.
 
gcreekrch said:
So the part of COOL that gives packers the excuse to lower prices of Canadian cattle because of labeling costs has passed but the rest hasn't?

When our prices go down, yours follow.
With the dollar difference our prices should be 15-20% over yours. They are pretty close to par because of COOL.
Once again the packer benefits without having much risk.

Yep, and just who is stopping them? They had the same deal when bse was discovered in Canada-- it is what helped Tyson finance their big purchase up there because they could sell Canada cattle as meat in the U.S. and buy cattle on the cheap in Canada.

We both have governments that aren't worth much to the average cattleman these days but benefit the globalists immensely.

Tex
 
:agree:

So when are we going to quit falling for the conquer and divide tactics that have been used so successfully against all of us? It's the oldest trick in the book, and the multinationals have it down to a fine art. "Get them bickering over little things, and we'll just move in an take it over before anyone notices." :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
Kato said:
:agree:

So when are we going to quit falling for the conquer and divide tactics that have been used so successfully against all of us? It's the oldest trick in the book, and the multinationals have it down to a fine art. "Get them bickering over little things, and we'll just move in an take it over before anyone notices." :roll: :roll: :roll:

If you agree with what Tex said, why are you fighting to allow the packers to keep the tools that they are using against us? Why the heck are you on their side?
 
Sandhusker said:
Kato said:
:agree:

So when are we going to quit falling for the conquer and divide tactics that have been used so successfully against all of us? It's the oldest trick in the book, and the multinationals have it down to a fine art. "Get them bickering over little things, and we'll just move in an take it over before anyone notices." :roll: :roll: :roll:

If you agree with what Tex said, why are you fighting to allow the packers to keep the tools that they are using against us? Why the heck are you on their side?

Who said we were? :???:
It was you guys that asked for this "packer tool" that they are using so effectively to line their pockets now. :roll:
 
gcreekrch said:
Sandhusker said:
Kato said:
:agree:

So when are we going to quit falling for the conquer and divide tactics that have been used so successfully against all of us? It's the oldest trick in the book, and the multinationals have it down to a fine art. "Get them bickering over little things, and we'll just move in an take it over before anyone notices." :roll: :roll: :roll:

If you agree with what Tex said, why are you fighting to allow the packers to keep the tools that they are using against us? Why the heck are you on their side?

Who said we were? :???:
It was you guys that asked for this "packer tool" that they are using so effectively to line their pockets now. :roll:

COOL takes away the tool that they've been using to play us against you for years. Now they can't source from Canada when they want to push prices here (and subsequesntly there) down.
 
Sandhusker said:
gcreekrch said:
Sandhusker said:
If you agree with what Tex said, why are you fighting to allow the packers to keep the tools that they are using against us? Why the heck are you on their side?

Who said we were? :???:
It was you guys that asked for this "packer tool" that they are using so effectively to line their pockets now. :roll:

COOL takes away the tool that they've been using to play us against you for years. Now they can't source from Canada when they want to push prices here (and subsequesntly there) down.

OH Hows That?

They push the price down for live cattle. Process it in Canada and ship the beef south.
COOL created more of a Captive market in Canada.
 
Sandhusker said:
Is Canadian beef any good, BMR?

Canadian beef is Great. And we put our mark on it whether shipped in a box or on the HOOF. But it is discounted in price because of burdensome bureaucracy to the determent of producers on both sides of the border it hurts agriculture in general.
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
Is Canadian beef any good, BMR?

Canadian beef is Great. And we put our mark on it whether shipped in a box or on the HOOF. But it is discounted in price because of burdensome bureaucracy to the determent of producers on both sides of the border it hurts agriculture in general.

If you beef is great, then SELL IT! Since your government won't support a local Canadian owned venture, this will be the first chance to actually do that!

Burdensome bureaucracy? Who told you that? What bureaucracy is there in putting the same label on the contents of a box as is on the outside? How is that a detriment to US producers? You're just spouting off talking points from the AMI, you're helping the bad guys!
 
Sandhusker said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
Is Canadian beef any good, BMR?

Canadian beef is Great. And we put our mark on it whether shipped in a box or on the HOOF. But it is discounted in price because of burdensome bureaucracy to the determent of producers on both sides of the border it hurts agriculture in general.

If you beef is great, then SELL IT! Since your government won't support a local Canadian owned venture, this will be the first chance to actually do that!

Burdensome bureaucracy? Who told you that? What bureaucracy is there in putting the same label on the contents of a box as is on the outside? How is that a detriment to US producers? You're just spouting off talking points from the AMI, you're helping the bad guys!

Well now there is a novel idea for you whining, navel-gazing, belly button lint-picking rcalfers. Just get your government to build you a super-sized packing plant that will jump right into your market and buy up some of that cheap beef that your American packers are stealing! That would set things right, wouldn't it?

Or better yet, speak up Sandhusker, you lilly-livered little bank boy, and tell us if you would lend a borrower the money to build and operate a packing plant. In light of the immediate jump in prices and ensuing benefits to the beef producers of America , would you not feel a philanthropic thrill at the thought of backing such an establishment? Why you could just go ahead and make such a difference to the industry! Why does rcalf not build a few packing plants and solve the low price problems? Put your money where your mouth is Sandhusker! No, wait a minute, you might have to sue yourself someday . . . nobody else to blame for your troubles anymore . . .
 
sandhusker's lending limit might not be too high. my guess is that he got the job at the bank through some sort of affirmative action program.
 
burnt said:
Sandhusker said:
Great post, Burnt. Now try again - this time with the help of an adult.

Thank you! But my daddy's not home tonite and my momma don't care so you will have to try to answer my question if you can! :)

Submit a proposal with a working cash flow and adequate security and we'll take a look at it.
 
Poor Bullard, still can't understand that some cattle producers (NCBA members) can successfully use a marketing procedure which some other producers (his RCALF members) fear and do not understand nor wish to use

He seems mystyfied that one highly respected (by ranchers and government officials alike) cattle organization (NCBA) was able to show legislators the proposed legislation wasn't in the best interest of cattle producers.

Get over it guys, you probably will be more successful in doing your damage to the US cattle industry in an Obama administration.

There are far more serious enemies to the cattle business, like the activists who want animals virtually worshipped rather than eaten or used in any way; or those who insist that nearly all processing or shipping of food should be banned; along with those who believe than any animal fat is sure to cause cancer.......and more!!!! Go after the real threats to raising food in the USA for a change. You might do some good, eventually.

mrj
 

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