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movin' on said:
Denny said:
movin' on said:
I did a little browsing through the online catalog a couple of weeks ago. There were some bulls in there that I, too, thought could be a little deeper/thicker. There were quite a few, though, that I thought were excellent examples of how a bull should look. I might post a link or two on here if I can find them and see what you guys think. I didn't and don't spend just a whole lot of time looking at e.p.d.'s, so let's not get bogged down with that.....I would just be curious what some of your reactions would be to the bulls that caught my eye.
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By looking at your/my/ our Avatar we like the same kind of bulls.
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That's too funny, Denny. That's the exact thought that went through my mind when I saw our two posts sitting side by side!
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I used to use that same bull but Haymaker wanted me to use a picture of his bull. :lol:
 
If this bull looks like this and does so without ever eating a bite of grain, I would be interested in him

http://www.superiorlivestock.com/videocatalog/lotlist.sla?cid=174&view=163&sName=pharo
 
I am confused. Which is easily done. :shock: It says in his catalog that his yearlings are developed on a grain free, high ruffage diet. What does that mean? What else does he feed them besides ruffage, as it doesn't say all ruffage?

To me ruffage is hay, grass, or straw. Is silage or haylege (spelling???) considered a ruffage? If so, silage can have anywhere from no corn all the to 100 bushels a ton, and haylege can have alot of oats or barley in it. I am not saying that he feeds it, as I have no idea. But you sure wouldn't need much grain if they have good corn in the silage.

Also is a pellet considered grain? As we feed 2 pellots to our bulls. 1 is bull challanger, which is real good for growing bulls out, and the other is a corn gluton pellet. This cheapens up the ration quite a bit and is higher in energy and protein.
 
BRG said:
I am confused. Which is easily done. :shock: It says in his catalog that his yearlings are developed on a grain free, high ruffage diet. What does that mean? What else does he feed them besides ruffage, as it doesn't say all ruffage?

To me ruffage is hay, grass, or straw. Is silage or haylege (spelling???) considered a ruffage? If so, silage can have anywhere from no corn all the to 100 bushels a ton, and haylege can have alot of oats or barley in it. I am not saying that he feeds it, as I have no idea. But you sure wouldn't need much grain if they have good corn in the silage.

Also is a pellet considered grain? As we feed 2 pellots to our bulls. 1 is bull challanger, which is real good for growing bulls out, and the other is a corn gluton pellet. This cheapens up the ration quite a bit and is higher in energy and protein.
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I can't answer your questions for sure BRG. I would have to say that pellots and cake is made from grain or grain products so they would have to be classified as grain. I would have to say that silage would be considered a roughage. Not many people think about the difference of chopped silage that could be 100 bushel or silage that is 40 bushel.

Oh by the way I think you are a smuck for questioning Kit's feeding program. :wink: I am sure you know what I think and if you lived closer I could tell you the smuck part over a couple of cold ones.

have a cold one

lazy ace
 
I can handle being called a smuck. I deserve it, I believe I have called you worse from time to time as well. :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I think pretty much the same way you do on the ruffage and grain thing. But I would be curious to know what he is feeding besides ruffage.

I here different guys say their cattle get 100% forage and the bulls/heifers are fat. But when you get to digging, they are eating silage or haylege that is heavy in grain. But it is still really 100% forage.
 
Well you know corn is from the Grass family.Someone said he's been feeding them soyhulls as a protein supplement.We have a guy here who feeds top quality balelage to his fall cows.I think those calves weigh up as good as his spring calves.
 
Kit Pharo said:
The Dust is Settling --



The big sale is over and the dust is starting to settle. God blessed us with GREAT weather on Monday and Tuesday. The town of Burlington, Colorado, was filled with people, pickups and stock trailers from all over. We had 70 people on hand for our ranch tour and pasture walk Monday afternoon. Everyone was amazed that our cows, bred heifers and heifer calves (all running in one herd) were in such good shape – with so little to eat. Well over 100 people attended our special pre-sale meeting with Jim Gerrish Monday night.



To the status quo's surprise and amazement, we had another GREAT sale on Tuesday. We sold bulls into 20 different states, as well as three different Canadian provinces. Most of the bulls are already on their way to their new homes. We sold 292 no-nonsense, range-ready bulls for an average price of $3700 per head – with a range of $1500 to $11,250. Cattlemen across North America are coming to the realization that our program and our bulls are different for all the right reasons. Individual bull prices should be posted in our online catalog late this week or early next week.



We met with our cooperative producers Tuesday night after the sale. What a GREAT group of people! As most of you know, Pharo Cattle Company is much more than one ranch and one family. We are a network of producers (located in many different environments) with the same philosophies and the same genetics, as well as the same goals and visions. Working together, we can accomplish much, much more than any of us could possibly accomplish on our own. Our mission has always been, "To help ranchers put more fun and profit into their business."
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I'd like to congratulate Kit and his cooperative producers on what sounds like a very good sale.
 
Pharo's sale went well and PT Barnum filled his tents where ever he went as well. Definitely a good promotor but that doesn't make him right. If you guys are looking for small farmed cattle go and buy some lowlines afterall that is what Pharo is doing ripping off the Australians Lowline Angus grass finishing concept and passing it off as his own. But what ever you guys buy into. Just remember if you sell calves in fall you get paid by the pound.
 
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Pharo's sale went well and PT Barnum filled his tents where ever he went as well. Definitely a good promotor but that doesn't make him right. If you guys are looking for small farmed cattle go and buy some lowlines afterall that is what Pharo is doing ripping off the Australians Lowline Angus grass finishing concept and passing it off as his own. But what ever you guys buy into. Just remember if you sell calves in fall you get paid by the pound.
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Yep, only matters what you get paid for 'em...don't matter what it cost you to make 'em!??? :shock: :???: :roll: :roll:
 
I have a question...probably a really stupid one, one I should know, but I don't....

What age does a frame 1 or 2 mature out at? My instinct says they mature earlier than say a frame 6, but I'm not sure my logic is correct.

Any thoughts?

Cheers---

TTB
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First off --- there are no stupid questions, just stupid answers. You'll have to judge mine for yourself.

Yes smaller framed cattle mature earlier. This means a couple of things. Fertility and a finished carcass at a more youthful age. Of course the carcass will be smaller than the packers like to hang on their hook in the name of efficiency. :roll: Efficiency for who though? I think folks like Kit are trying to look after efficiency for the grassroots producer rather than the packer.

Good on you Kit --- Another great sale.

Randy
 
rkaiser said:
I have a question...probably a really stupid one, one I should know, but I don't....

What age does a frame 1 or 2 mature out at? My instinct says they mature earlier than say a frame 6, but I'm not sure my logic is correct.

Any thoughts?

Cheers---

TTB
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First off --- there are no stupid questions, just stupid answers. You'll have to judge mine for yourself.

Yes smaller framed cattle mature earlier. This means a couple of things. Fertility and a finished carcass at a more youthful age. Of course the carcass will be smaller than the packers like to hang on their hook in the name of efficiency. :roll: Efficiency for who though? I think folks like Kit are trying to look after efficiency for the grassroots producer rather than the packer.

Good on you Kit --- Another great sale.

Randy
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Not too stupid an answer. :wink: :wink: :wink: :) :lol: :lol:

I'd like to add that percent carcass yield is a big factor in efficiency on the packer end. And early maturing, if not over fed, saves on the finishing end.
 
I have heard more complaints from the packers for too big of a carcass than too small. I think this conversation is more about effectiveness than efficiency. You can be very efficient at hauling out feed to big cows. I would rather have a smaller grass efficient cow doing the work for me in effect making me more money by costing me less to raise.
 
There isn't much of a discount till you get over 850# carcass weight-that's a pretty darn big Ox. You don't need huge cows to raise steers that will finish at acceptable weights.
 
per said:
When we semen test I think a tape measure will be by the chute. Thanks OT.
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Good idea - however to be more accurate (and if you are going to measure - you should be as accurate as possible) you might think about acquiring a couple of pieces of tubing - either copper or Schedule 80 Poly water pipe, with a connection which fits closely around the other so that it will move up and down, with measurements marked on the inside tube with the 90o connection extension across the chute which will rest EXACTLY LEVEL across the animal's back and allowing you to measure very quickly. An attached small carpenters level will enable you to KNOW that the horizontal pipe is LEVEL. But the critical factor is - the animal MUST be standing on a concrete floor which IS EXACTLY LEVEL! It makes that little chore easy and quick.

DOC HARRIS
 

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