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Pharos Bull Sale

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Pharos Bull sale is going on right now- being telecast on Superior and on the internet on DVAuction....

Looks like they're selling good as the cheapest bull I saw so far is $3500....
 
Definitely no No Sales :roll: Saw one sad looking polled hereford bull sell for $1500- couple for $1750-2000, but looking at the list afterward it appears the majority of the black angus were between $4000-5000.....Top bull was $7500

Did see a couple of "nonregistered" black angus sell for $6000 :shock:
While I was listening there were quite a few of the bulls going to Montana, Wyo, and SD.........
 
I watched some of the animals sell. I was not impressed with the blacks and the Herefords in general. There were some good reds. I did not see anyting I wanted. I hope they work for the buyers and fit their programs. If they bought what they needed great.
 
Faster horses said:
For whatever reason, he definitely has a strong following.
So I guess it would be well to say he is successful.
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One thing is that you have to look at is the increasing popularity of these cattle that are being bred for efficiency and maintenance ability....

I have a neighbor that has all Diamond D, Ohlde, Pharo bred bulls ( at one time owned the Diamond D Broadside 52 B bull, until they bought him back)-- and today you can look at his bulls that are out on grass (with a little hay thrown out every 3rd day) and compare them to his partners bulls that are lotted, fed all the hay they can eat, plus 3lbs of cake a day- and you wouldn't believe the difference.....

The forage/feed efficiency bred bulls are in twice the shape of the other ones- fat as hogs on grass that ain't even growing much yet and a little hay... :roll: :shock:

And he's sold his calves to the same buyer for top dollar for several years.......
 
I got an email from him he say's they averaged over $4000 per head on 208 bulls from $1250 to $8000.Sounds like they had a good sale.

I have some OCC Homer calves on the ground and they are thick thick thick.All heifer calves off 1st calf heifers...
 
I have heard the Homers are REALLY GOOD cattle, Denny.
Should be some heifer bulls to market there out of your genetics.

I know we have gone the way of the more moderate cattle and
we are so happy with the first calf heifers this year. They
are so easy fleshing and look super. Their
calves are out of Wye bulls from Rick Hanson at Froid. Mr.
FH has only had to pull one. I'll try to
take some pictures to share. But right now we have MUD!!!
So can't get to them very easily right now.
 
I have been going thru the Genex catalog and am just having a tough time finding what I want in it I think I am going to order 30 straws of Ohlde bulls and use that.

My viking and glory calves are looking pretty good.Those 2 bulls are going to work pretty hard this summer.
 
Seems like everyone here likes the same type of cattle I do. We used an ABS bull called OCC MAGNITUDE last year. Haven't got calves off him yet but have heard good reports. Believe he has a 6 star rating for meat tenderness. Also used a couple of new zealand bred bulls called PINEBANK WAIGROUP and GLANWORTH 130. Calves will be coming any day. Good pictures of these bulls are at www.spiritviewranch.com The PINEBANK bull is just thick period. Frame 5 and 2600 lbs. Grass only no grain. His progeny have also won taste tests and consistently grade choice ( 6 plus) for ultrasoud. They sold 10 million dollars worth of semen last year.
 
That's true NR. I linear measured a couple Ohlde bred bulls one time. They sure didn't measure up the way that cattle from this guys herd should have. On the other hand i've also seen some real good one's.
 
$10,000,000?

Now I know I don't believe everything I hear in the "grass based" circles!




Linear measuring? Been there, done that. Hoopla! Ohlde bulls don't linear measure well because they actually have a rear quarter on them that pulls all the measurements out of whack. Besides, linear measuring has only ever been tied to growth, and carcass weight, NOT reproduction or fertility.



NR, something we do see eye to eye on, though I can't say too much about it here.




2,600 pound "low input" bulls? 2,600 pounds is 2,600 pounds. While smaller equates to a cow being able to maintain on grass, that has a limit.



I think not.


Badlands
 
We keep each other honest lol. There's plenty of North American genetics in 'EVERY' breed to meet our needs you just have to identify what you need and look for it. I helped brand a group of calves from cows that were culled by linear measurement-they all had good thick calves and looked like pretty productive cows to me. I have a friend that's caught up in it-I said it must of hurt to can those good old bill payers that didn't measure up lol. Does anybody remember the SuperGene hogwash from the early 90's?
 
I believe there is some good to the linear measuring that needs to be sorted out.

The problem I have with it is that I know of about a dozen guys that sold cows that linear measured poorly. The cows weren't "bad", it is just that they didn't fit the "mold". Things were not taken into account that affected the linear measurements, so good cows were sold because idiots run the system.

Who got hurt? Not the guy who got paid to linear measure the cattle. It was the rancher in every case.

It's enough to make you puke, and there is plenty of this sort of BS going on in all circles.

Badlands
 
I agree that there are good genetics in North America to select for just about anything. It is just a matter of what you want to put your emphasis on.


As far as the Ohlde genepool all I can say is I have been there and done that. A little of 6807 goes a long way and a lot of 6807 and fertiltiy is compromised. Just my experience.
 
I guess I have only seen 6807 decrease fertility in lines that already had problems.

In lines that didn't already have fertility issues, he didn't decrease it any.

Badlands
 
Badlands: from your post I know that you know nothing about linear measuring. It is an overall measurement for cow efficiency (meaning feed efficiency). It has nothing to do with growth. And you're wrong about the big back end, this helps their overall score. I would never sell a cow just because they didn't measure up. I wouldn't have too many cows left if I did this. The cows that measure up not too bad are the same type of cows that do good when they're out bale grazing NR, like yours and mine are. All that it is is another tool. I wouldn't swear up and down by it either, but I sure wouldn't disregard its merits either.
 
BADLANDS: our top ranked linear measured cow just had a Pinebank bull calf. Looks good, real good. She's also our most fertile, maintains her body weight no matter what she's being fed, good at plus 40 and minus 40 temperature, and brings in the best calf every year, usually at about 60% of her own bodyweight. If you don't think that there's anything to linear measuring maybe you'd better start educating yourself before you start chirping on here.
 
I think most good cattleman can sort their cows just fine without a tape measure-Momma Nature is glad to help and she only charges for as long as you want to keep paying her-she hardly sends a bill if you work with her not against her.
 
rainie said:
BADLANDS: our top ranked linear measured cow just had a Pinebank bull calf. Looks good, real good. She's also our most fertile, maintains her body weight no matter what she's being fed, good at plus 40 and minus 40 temperature, and brings in the best calf every year, usually at about 60% of her own bodyweight. If you don't think that there's anything to linear measuring maybe you'd better start educating yourself before you start chirping on here.
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:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

They all look good when their born unless their dead... :tiphat:
 

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