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Pharos Bull Sale

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>>My breed of cattle: Lasater Beefmasters<<

Would you say there is a difference in 'Lasaster Beefmasters' and regular registered beefmasters?

My contention is that Lasater built one of the most adaptable useful herds of cattle in history, only to have this BBU lead the breed far astray of its original roots?

What are your thoughts?
 
I have to agree with Denny on this one..... Only we do preg check...

Personaly if the first few words out of a person's mouth is how educated they are I generallly move on.... Some vary smart well educated people have never graced the doors of any collage.....
 
nortexsook said:
>>My breed of cattle: Lasater Beefmasters<<

Would you say there is a difference in 'Lasaster Beefmasters' and regular registered beefmasters?

Yes, I would...Pharo's cattle have that same difference.

My contention is that Lasater built one of the most adaptable useful herds of cattle in history, only to have this BBU lead the breed far astray of its original roots?

What are your thoughts?
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The Lasater Herd has 70 years of closed herd genetics with selection for economic traits that are important to the commercial cattleman and raised as tough or tougher than commercial herds. We are lucky to have these herds to get genetics...the Foundation herd(Dale Lasater), the L Bar herd(Laurie Lasater) and Watt Casey Beefmasters(Tom's brother-in-law).

Much of BBU has gone the way of showring cattle and these are the kind of cattle I started with. They bred back at a 60% rate while in the same pastures and management as my father-in-law's commercial herd that bred back at over 90%. I went to two breeding seasons so I wouldn't lose so much time on them. In 1998 I had enough and started selling everything that gave me any trouble. I took that money and bought three 3-n-1s from the Foundation herd, a L-5502 son from Laurie, and 10 L)5367 'Ole Yeller' daughters. Today my cows breed back at over 90% with absolutely nothing but pasture and hay! No crutches to hide flawed genetics.
 
I thought one of Lasater's philosophies was multisirte breeding pastures so the most fertile bull would sire the most calves-or was it somebody else. I thought Lasater was against the 'bloodline' thing and kind of let the enviroment sort them.
 
I thought one of Lasater's philosophies was multisirte breeding pastures so the most fertile bull would sire the most calves-or was it somebody else. I thought Lasater was against the 'bloodline' thing and kind of let the enviroment sort them.
 
Northern Rancher said:
I thought one of Lasater's philosophies was multisirte breeding pastures so the most fertile bull would sire the most calves-or was it somebody else. I thought Lasater was against the 'bloodline' thing and kind of let the enviroment sort them.
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NR, you are correct and that is still the way they do it. But with DNA testing, they are able to learn the 'bloodline' the environment is selecting.
 
Northern Rancher said:
Soapweed that story is a bit sad-nothing worse than having a good friend get hung up on a bad idea. Rainie it might surprise you that we were practicing grass management a long time before it became fashionable. Culling the obvious isn't as big a no brainer as you think-or else there's alot of ranchers operating with no brains. BSE made a lot of pretty good outfits into pretty roughshod ones as everybody works through the mess as best we can. I find it funny that Weder and Fry managed to find the only Devon and Angus cattle in the world that can function on grass. Lo and behold they market those genetics lol. I think Weder has more to offer than Gerald Fry-like I've said before you can only take so much reboiled Bonsma before it makes you a bit queasy.
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Hello Northern, long time no chat. Just wanted to comment on the Devon genetics thing. Weder isn't the only Canadian in on these things. Dennis and Brady Wobeser have a good herd started as well. They stay in touch with Gearld on a regular basis, and seem to firmly believe in Linear Measurement. I can't say I'm sold on it, it's just another tool.

I prefer to agree with you that nothing measures a critter's worth better than Mother Nature.
 
Psst Pure Country I was running Devon's before they became the flavour of the month lol. Linear measuring might be another tool but a good ranch should be able to run on one fencing tool and a hammer with one claw lol. I hear you outbid my neighbor on a good Galloway bull at Randy's sale-shame on you. I looked at his welsh black/hereford baldies a month or so ago-pretty darn nice heifers.
 
I didn't know you had Devons! How'd you go from them to being so head over heels in love with EXT Angus?????? :P As for outbidding someone on a bull, I'm afraid you may be misinformed. I didn't buy anything, or even bid. I already have the bull that sired the bulls he'll be selling in the 2008 sale.
 
Ohh I thought you bought the high selling Galloway at his sale-ohh well my bad. I never even had a mild infatuation with EXT's I had bought 100 head of heifers with his influence in them to breed and resell and when the border closed my customer backed out so I ended up with them. My 15 and 13 year olds helped calve 190 heifers that spring in MARCH-never again lol. Like I said they are weeding themselves out pretty darn quick they aren't only wild they kind of on the frail side-guess it's best my customewr didn't end up with them. We've been using Devons for a long time-10-12 years at least-Megan has a few purebred cows but we don't pursue that angle. I've got a good Devon story if we ever meet for coffee.
 
Yeah, but Weder's are North Devon's, your are South Devon's. I guess they call those the "Ruby Red Devon". Out here in the East, they are crossing Milking Devon with this North Devons, but still registering them together, but you can't register South Devons with them, LOL.

NR, I thought you might have raised the EXT's. I suspect that if you bought them, there might have been some management issues going on with them.

I guess I just haven't seen the trouble that some guys have with them.

Badlands
 
Devon Schevon I think south Devon cattle that have been selected under our conditions do just as well as the Ruby Reds or Plaids or whatever else they're schilling. The outfit I bought those EXT's from are top stockmen-you get a dirty look for even talking when your sorting at their place so it wasn't that the EXT's were handled wrong. I know the managher of the N Bar who was there when EXT was discovered-he won't even use the evil little toad. His exact quote the daughters can be 'VILE'. I'll gladly sell mine to anybody whose in love with him-you can reap the benefits of my failing to comprehend his greatness.
 
LOL, on the Devon, NR.

I was through the N Bar cows for a couple days last Summer. Only one even raised her head. She was a purchased cow with no Emulation in her at all, at least in the closest 7-8 generations.

I still scratch my head over your experience and on a large number of critters, rather than just a few of them. I used him on my Tarentaise cows and had to push them out of the way. One of those cows I did sell because she would hunt you down, but her EXT calf was fine.

Just odd, I guess. I wonder if the cows had some more Emulation behind them, or some Lucy's Boy or something similar.

I guess I always heard 5522 was more nasty than EXT, but the EXT's were more wild.

Like I said, just odd, so I wonder what else ended up making these cattle so raunchy for you.

Badlands
 
Not just me Badlands-anybody who has ran any amount of them will have the same story. Don't you think the N Bar would of culled all the bad ones by now or else kept them in the pasture nobody sees. I raise bucking bulls for crying out loud and those Brahmer cows are easier to handle. Trust me if BSE hadn't gutted our cow market I'd of been sold out of them by now-I'm getting them whittled down pretty quick though. Really Windy works good on EXT's seems to take the crazy out of them. I imagine there's ranches in North America have more miles from one end to the other than there is between the homelands of North and South Devons. A friend of mine has actually toured the source herd of the Ruby Reds-he wasn't that impressed lol. When I was through the N Bar herd a few years back alot more than one raised their head lol.
 
I always thought EXT's were awful good mothers whether thats good or bad. They sure as hell wont let anything or anyone hurt their calf. My opinion was that they would work the best in large outfits that range calve instead of smaller outfits that want or need to or want to mess around with their cattle on a regualr basis.
 
I don't disagree with NR a lot, but landowner trespass issues, and EXT's are two places where I do. :o :wink: :-) N Bar cattle worked fabulous for us.
 
Well the bad ones are bad enough that you overlook the odd good one-I've just seen enough bad ones at enough different places to know that they have disposition problems. He might work best back a few spots in the pedigree but alot of bulls are like that. I have a bunch for sale if anybody-anywhere is interested lol. I had a buddy used him pretty heavy and got along fine for a few years but he got a few were nutcases too. It seems on some bloodlines of cattle they just get bad. I had an EXT grandson I used was quiet as a dead pig-but he was out of a straight Canadian bred cow.
 

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