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OT wrote:
as the last estimate I saw of what Iraq was going to cost the US taxpayers was $3+ TRILLION...

Somebody better hurry up and spend some money fast because the Iraq & Afghan Wars together only total $1.3 Trillion to date.

Or could you be lying again with that figure? :roll:
 
Tam said:
TSR said:
Oldtimer said:
Just in case your memory is getting short with with advancing age (or selective memory :wink: )-- I thought I would remind you of the intelligent folks GW surrounded himself with some of their quotes... Either that, or as I believe, they were flat out liars-- as the last estimate I saw of what Iraq was going to cost the US taxpayers was $3+ TRILLION...

Oh O'timer you forgot this one as GW, and at that time, Russian leader Putin were answering questions from U of Texas students-- Bush looked at the college student body and picked out a red-headed young senior and said "You Red, you have a question for the Prime Minister?" :shock:

Seems Obama doesn't know much about Russia either :wink: :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GdLClHAMB0

Well should he Obama, get reelected maybe he will know more than his predesessor did in nis 2nd term. Hopefully, at least, he won't refer to a college senior who happens to be red headed and freckle-faced as "RED" on national tv. :lol:
 
Mike said:
OT wrote:
as the last estimate I saw of what Iraq was going to cost the US taxpayers was $3+ TRILLION...

Somebody better hurry up and spend some money fast because the Iraq & Afghan Wars together only total $1.3 Trillion to date.

Or could you be lying again with that figure? :roll:

No- I didn't say what was spent so far....$1.3 is what has aready spent.. But projected total cost estimates are over $3 Trillion...
 
Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
OT wrote:
as the last estimate I saw of what Iraq was going to cost the US taxpayers was $3+ TRILLION...

Somebody better hurry up and spend some money fast because the Iraq & Afghan Wars together only total $1.3 Trillion to date.

Or could you be lying again with that figure? :roll:

No- I didn't say what was spent so far....$1.3 is what has aready spent.. But projected total cost estimates are over $3 Trillion...

I KNOW what you said Einstein. I can read. You said "Iraq" ALONE will cost 3 Trillion by someones (Yours?) wild azz estimate.

There is no way for that to be the case. Buckwheat said he would have us out of Iraq in 6 months (from when, who knows?) :lol: And we haven't spent but $1.3 Tril on both wars total.
 
The true cost of the Iraq war: $3 trillion and beyond

By Joseph E. Stiglitz and Linda J. Bilmes
Sunday, September 5, 2010

Writing in these pages in early 2008, we put the total cost to the United States of the Iraq war at $3 trillion. This price tag dwarfed previous estimates, including the Bush administration's 2003 projections of a $50 billion to $60 billion war.


But today, as the United States ends combat in Iraq, it appears that our $3 trillion estimate (which accounted for both government expenses and the war's broader impact on the U.S. economy) was, if anything, too low. For example, the cost of diagnosing, treating and compensating disabled veterans has proved higher than we expected.
 
Total cost of Afghan & Iraq Wars:

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0933935.html

"According to the Center for Defense Information, the estimated cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will reach $1.29 trillion by the end of fiscal year 2011."



Like I said, someone better hurry up and spend some money to meet your so-called estimate. :lol:

Source: "The Cost of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Other Global War on Terror Operations Since 9/11," Amy Belasco, Congressional Research Service Report for Congress, RL33110, p. CRS�9).

Very few people except Buckwheat can spend $1.7 Trillion that fast..........
 
Oldtimer stop trying to rewriting history before it is history PLEASE. :roll: We all know you want to Blame Bush for everything that has happened in the past 50 years but we also know the War in Iraq was a BIPARTISAN sanctioned war. It was encouraged by the high profile Dems before Bush even took office. So if you are going to blame Bush for future medicals bill of vets coming home from IRAQ then in all fairness you have to put the same blame on the DEMS that supportered the freaking war. :x


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5p-qIq32m8

Quotes from Democrats about WMD


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

Quoted on CNN


"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." — President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Quoted on CNN


Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." — Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

Transcript of remarks made at a Town Hall meeting in Columbus, Ohio — from USIA


"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." — Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb 18, 1998

Transcript of remarks made at a Town Hall Meeting in Columbus, Ohio — From USIA


"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the US Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." — Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry (D — MA), and others Oct. 9, 1998

See letter to Clinton by Levin, Daschle, Kerry and others


"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." — Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

Statement by Rep. Nancy Pelosi — House of Representatives website


"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." — Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

Answer to a question at the Chicago Council of Foreign Affairs


"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." — Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

Letter to President George W. Bush signed by 9 Congressmen, including Democrats Harold Ford, Jr., Joseph Lieberman, and Benjamin Gilman.


" We should be hell bent on getting those weapons of mass destruction, hell bent on having a credible approach to them, but we should try to do it in a way which keeps the world together and that achieves our goal which is removing the... defanging Saddam.." — Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Dec. 9, 2002

Online with Jim Lehrer — Public Broadcasting Service


"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." — Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

Transcript of Gore's speech, printed in USA Today


"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." — Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

Transcript of Gore's speech, printed in USA Today


"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." — Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

U.S. Senate — Ted Kennedy


"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." — Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

Congressional Record — Robert Byrd


"When I vote to give the President of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein, it is because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a threat, and a grave threat, to our security and that of our allies in the Persian Gulf region. I will vote yes because I believe it is the best way to hold Saddam Hussein accountable." —Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,2002

Congressional Record — Sen. John F. Kerry


"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years .. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." — Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

Congressional Record — Sen. Jay Rockefeller


"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" — Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

Congressional Record — Rep. Henry Waxman


"In 1998, the United States also changed its underlying policy toward Iraq from containment to regime change and began to examine options to effect such a change, including support for Iraqi opposition leaders within the country and abroad. In the 4 years since the inspectors, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaida members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001.

"It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein wiill continue to increase his capability to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East which, as we know all too well, affects American security."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

Congressional Record — Sen. Hillary Clinton


"The Joint Chiefs should provide Congress with casualty estimates for a war in Iraq as they have done in advance of every past conflict. These estimates should consider Saddam's possible use of chemical or biological weapons against our troops.

"Unlike the gulf war, many experts believe Saddam would resort to chemical and biological weapons against our troops in a desperate -attempt to save his regime if he believes he and his regime are ultimately threatened."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) Oct. 8, 2002

Congressional Record — Sen. Ted Kennedy


"There is one thing we agree upon, and that is that Saddam Hussein is an evil man. He is a tyrant. He has used chemical and biological weapons on his own people. He has disregarded United Nations resolutions calling for inspections of his capabilities and research and development programs. His forces regularly fire on American and British jet pilots enforcing the no-fly zones in the north and south of his country. And he has the potential to develop and deploy nuclear weapons... — Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

Congressional Record — Sen. Bob Graham


But inspectors have had a hard time getting truthful information from the Iraqis they interview. Saddam Hussein terrorizes his people, including his weapons scientists, so effectively that they are afraid to be interviewed in private, let alone outside the country. They know that even the appearance of cooperation could be a death sentence for themselves or their families.

"To overcome this obstacle, and to discover and dismantle Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, UNMOVIC and the IAEA must interview relevant persons securely and with their families protected, even if they protest publicly against this treatment. Hans Blix may dislike running ''a defection agency,' but that could be the only way to obtain truthful information about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction — Sen. Joseph Biden

Congressional Record — Sen. Joseph Biden


"With respect to Saddam Hussein and the threat he presents, we must ask ourselves a simple question: Why? Why is Saddam Hussein pursuing weapons that most nations have agreed to limit or give up? Why is Saddam Hussein guilty of breaking his own cease-fire agreement with the international community? Why is Saddam Hussein attempting to develop nuclear weapons when most nations don't even try, and responsible nations that have them attempt to limit their potential for disaster? Why did Saddam Hussein threaten and provoke? Why does he develop missiles that exceed allowable limits? Why did Saddam Hussein lie and deceive the inspection teams previously? Why did Saddam Hussein not account for all of the weapons of mass destruction which UNSCOM identified? Why is he seeking to develop unmanned airborne vehicles for delivery of biological agents?
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), October 9, 2002

Congressional Record — Sen. John F. Kerry


"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal.

"Iraq has continued to seek nuclear weapons and develop its arsenal in defiance of the collective will of the international community, as expressed through the United Nations Security Council. It is violating the terms of the 1991 cease-fire that ended the Gulf war and as many as 16 Security Council resolutions, including 11 resolutions concerning Iraq's efforts to develop weapons of mass destruction. — Sen. John Edwards, October 10, 2002

Congressional Record — Sen. John Edwards


BTW Oldtimer do you have any estimations on how much Obama's first two years in power is going to add to the deficit including the future medical bills of those hurt in his un-sanctioned war in Lybia? OR don't those trillions matter to a lib like you?
 
Even if Iraq ends up costing $2 trillion, was it not worth it to save the lives that would have been lost under Hussein?

the libs. seem always seem ready to save lives in some far off country, but whine when it is a Republican that spends the money, that they would have rather spent.
 
Oldtimer said:
The true cost of the Iraq war: $3 trillion and beyond

By Joseph E. Stiglitz and Linda J. Bilmes
Sunday, September 5, 2010

Writing in these pages in early 2008, we put the total cost to the United States of the Iraq war at $3 trillion. This price tag dwarfed previous estimates, including the Bush administration's 2003 projections of a $50 billion to $60 billion war.


But today, as the United States ends combat in Iraq, it appears that our $3 trillion estimate (which accounted for both government expenses and the war's broader impact on the U.S. economy) was, if anything, too low. For example, the cost of diagnosing, treating and compensating disabled veterans has proved higher than we expected.

I fail to see how some folks do math. I would imagine most of the folks who do the diagnosing and treating of disabled veterans are on salary. They are going to get paid whether they diagnose and treat or not. So just how does that add to the cost? Having them do something they are ALREADY PAID to do? There are endless ways to prostitute the results of any trial or program, once again, proving the old adage, "Figures lie and liars figure"......

Three guesses as to the political party affiliation of authors Stiglitz and Bilmes.......
 
I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say...that the Cambridge police acted stupidly.

Obama defended Gates on Wednesday night, while admitting that he may be "a little biased," because Gates is a friend.
 
TSR said:
Tam said:
TSR said:
Oh O'timer you forgot this one as GW, and at that time, Russian leader Putin were answering questions from U of Texas students-- Bush looked at the college student body and picked out a red-headed young senior and said "You Red, you have a question for the Prime Minister?" :shock:

Seems Obama doesn't know much about Russia either :wink: :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GdLClHAMB0

Well should he Obama, get reelected maybe he will know more than his predesessor did in nis 2nd term. Hopefully, at least, he won't refer to a college senior who happens to be red headed and freckle-faced as "RED" on national tv. :lol:

Yes and maybe in his second term as Commander and Chief of the world's strongest military he will be able to pronounce Corpsman :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkMKdpgPYTM

Face he is not as smart as you libs claim he is. :wink:

BTW I realize Obama was just a promoted JR. Senator and he might not know where to find a translator in DC yet but how long does EX First Lady of the US Hillary and Long time Congressman Biden have to be around Washington to find a good Russian translator to find out what the Russian word for reset is?
 
Obama said
"I'm in this race not just to hold an office, but to gather with you to transform a nation."
- February 10, 2007 Presidential announcement.


Just two days ago from Rusmussen

When President Obama assumed office in January 2009, optimism rose to 27% and climbed to the low to mid 30s – peaking at 40% -- until May 2009. That figure has steadily declined since.

Eighty percent (80%) of voters say the country is heading down the wrong track. That ties the highest level measured in three-years. Since January 2009, voter pessimism had ranged from 57% to 63%.

Most Republicans (92%) and voters not affiliated with either political party (84%) believe the country is heading down the wrong track. Even a majority (63%) of Democrats now say the country is heading in the wrong direction.

Looks like his transformation of a nation is not going over so well with the voters.

"There is not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America — there is the United States of America"

And from the polls I would say the UNITED States of America is starting to wake up and smell the coffee and realize he is headed in the WRONG DIRECTION. :roll:
 
"Let me say this as plainly as I can. If you buy a car from Chrysler or General Motors, you will be able to get your car serviced and repaired just like always," Obama said in a speech. "Your warranty will be safe. In fact, it will be safer than it has ever been. Because starting today, the United States will stand behind your warranty."


GM says bankruptcy excuses it from repairs on 400K cars

General Motors Co. is seeking to dismiss a lawsuit over a suspension problem on more than 400,000 Chevrolet Impalas from the 2007 and 2008 model years, saying it should not be responsible for repairs because the flaw predated its bankruptcy.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-gm-says-bankruptcy-excuses-it-from-repairs-on-400k-cars-20110819,0,870265.story
 
hypocritexposer said:
"Let me say this as plainly as I can. If you buy a car from Chrysler or General Motors, you will be able to get your car serviced and repaired just like always," Obama said in a speech. "Your warranty will be safe. In fact, it will be safer than it has ever been. Because starting today, the United States will stand behind your warranty."


GM says bankruptcy excuses it from repairs on 400K cars

General Motors Co. is seeking to dismiss a lawsuit over a suspension problem on more than 400,000 Chevrolet Impalas from the 2007 and 2008 model years, saying it should not be responsible for repairs because the flaw predated its bankruptcy.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-gm-says-bankruptcy-excuses-it-from-repairs-on-400k-cars-20110819,0,870265.story

And yet the liberal sheeple continue to make excuses for obama
 
In a radio interview that aired on Univision on Monday, Mr. Obama sought to assure Hispanics that he would push an immigration overhaul after the midterm elections, despite fierce Republican opposition.
"If Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, 'We're gonna punish our enemies and we're gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us,' if they don't see that kind of upsurge in voting in this election, then I think it's gonna be harder and that's why I think it's so important that people focus on voting on November 2."
Referring specifically to Republicans such as Senator John McCain, who are stressing border security and supporting strict immigration laws like Arizona's anti-illegal immigration measure, Mr. Obama said, "Those aren't the kinds of folks who represent our core American values."

He calls the Republicans the enemy of the Latinos because of their stand on border security.

He then promised to pass immigration reform after the midterms if the Lations get out to vote.

After the Republicans win big time in Nov he protects his re-election chances with an executive order to give amensty to millions of ILLEGALS. WHY? because he knew he was never going to get his immigration reform/amensty bill through without first securing the border. And a SECURE BORDER is the last thing the Dems want as the more latinos in the country the bigger the Dem voting base is going to be in future elections.

BTW I always thought the true AMERICAN CORE VALUES included following AMERICAN LAWS and as far as I remember it is illegal to enter the US by walking across the border at any point you want and living there without the proper paper work. :roll:
 
Another Obama quote

"The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents – #43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That's irresponsible. It's unpatriotic."

And what are the headlines just 2 1/2 years into Obama's Presidency
Obama Adds 4 Trillion in Debt

Does he consider himself irresponsible and unpatriotic NO and neither do the idiots that voted for the hypocrite.


edited for spelling as I wouldn't want the libs to flip out over a mis-spelt word :wink:
 
Tam said:
Another Obama quote

"The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents – #43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That's irresponsible. It's unpatriotic."

And what are the headlines just 2 1/2 years into Obama's Presidency
Obama Adds 4 Trillion in Debt

Does he concern himself irresponsible ans unpatriotic NO and neither do the idiots that voted for the hypocrite.


Name-calling etc. would be the "old style of politics" obama promised to end. :lol: :lol:
 
hypocritexposer said:
Tam said:
Another Obama quote

"The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents – #43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That's irresponsible. It's unpatriotic."

And what are the headlines just 2 1/2 years into Obama's Presidency
Obama Adds 4 Trillion in Debt

Does he consider himself irresponsible and unpatriotic NO and neither do the idiots that voted for the hypocrite.


Name-calling etc. would be the "old style of politics" obama promised to end. :lol: :lol:

Well when Obama starts leading by example I'll stop calling him an incompetent inexperienced hypocritial twit. :wink:
 

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