• If you are having problems logging in please use the Contact Us in the lower right hand corner of the forum page for assistance.

Poultry vs Cattle Safety

  • Thread starter Thread starter Anonymous
  • Start date Start date
A

Anonymous

Guest
Mad-Cow Feed Rules Should Ban Poultry Feces, U.S. Senator Says
March 14 (Bloomberg) -- Poultry feces should be banned from cattle feed under rules to be revised this year because the waste may contain traces of mad cow disease, Iowa Senator Tom Harkin told U.S. regulators.

The practice of feeding cattle parts to poultry and then using chickens' waste in feed for cows might increase the risk of spreading the disease, Harkin, a Democrat, said at a Senate subcommittee hearing today in Washington. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration plans to publish new rules on cattle feed that would allow farmers to continue feeding bird waste to cows.

Harkin is calling for stiffer regulations a day after U.S. Department of Agriculture officials confirmed a third case of mad cow disease. The Alabama cow was the second found with the disease among 645,000 cattle tested under an expanded surveillance program started in June 2004 after the first case. The U.S. slaughters about 35 million cattle a year.

``Both FDA and USDA are telling the public that the feed rules are a firewall,'' Harkin told acting FDA Commissioner Andrew von Eschenbach at the hearing to consider the agency's budget for the year starting Oct. 1. ``Now what I'm hearing is the feed rules are based on probabilities of 99 percent here and 99 percent there.''

Cattle farmers feed poultry stool to cows as a cheap source of protein. Poultry producers like the practice because it gives them a profitable way to dispose of their bird waste, Stephen Sundlof, the head of the FDA's Center for Veterinary Medicine, told the subcommittee.

``It is something cattle seem to like to eat,'' he said.

Risk of Transmission

The risk of spreading the brain-wasting mad cow disease though poultry excrement is low and the FDA stands by allowing use of the waste in cattle feed, Sundlof said.

Canada and Europe have banned feeding poultry feces to cattle. Sundlof said the FDA is talking with its Canadian counterparts about the possibility of Canada loosening its ban on poultry waste.

``The amount of animal protein in litter is very, very small,'' Sundlof said. ``You can never say the risk is absolutely zero. Yes it is possible, but the probability of that occurring is very, very remote.''

Tommy Thompson, former U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary, said in January 2004 that the FDA would prohibit the use of chicken pen litter in cattle feed. The revisions, which Sundlof said in February would be published by July 1, would be the first tightening of the rules since the FDA barred feeding cattle parts to cows in 1997.

Connecticut Representative Rosa DeLauro, the top Democrat on the U.S. House panel that oversees the FDA budget, told von Eschenbach in February that the proposed rules abandon the tougher stance that Thompson had outlined.

Cattle Farmers

Harkin said today that his constituents in the cattle industry are concerned the loophole in the rules would lead to more cases of mad cow, which would hurt their business.

``I represent a lot of cattle people,'' Harkin said. ``They are concerned about the loss of confidence that may happen if more of these things pop up.''


The first U.S. case of mad cow disease, also known as bovine spongiform encephalopathy, was discovered in December 2003, touching off a ban on the nation's beef by Japan, formerly the biggest importer of the product. Japan had only allowed imports to resume in December and then suspended them again in January following the discovery of banned spinal tissue in three boxes of a veal shipment.

Mad cow disease, which has a fatal human form, is thought to spread to people who eat the meat of infected cows.

The disease appears to stem from abnormal proteins, called prions, which occur in cattle's small intestines, brains, eyes and spinal cords. Scientists say cattle can contract the disease by eating such tissues from infected animals.



To contact the reporter on this story:
Shannon Pettypiece in Washington at [email protected].
Last Updated: March 14, 2006 17:26 EST
 
The only problem with this deal is that the loopholes remain. Poultry feed is often spilled on poultry farms where cattle may have access to that spilled feed. In addition, unless there is a lot more infrastructure reallignment, poultry waste will still be available to cattle, even it is not outright fed on purpose on many cattle farms with poultry on them across the U.S.

Poultry are not ruminants, that is for sure, they naturally eat a diet that has insects in it, and might not be considered completely herbavores, but cattle offal and byproducts are a long way away from insects.

The competitive advantage of packing houses that use offal for non-carnivores should be considered as questionable unless there is proof otherwise that it is not harmful. Industry (not checkoff) money should be used to find out if this is the case since the backwards way of making sure companies that harm the food supply are rarely held accountable is no economic disincentive for bad behavior.

Sure, this might make chicken a little more expensive becaise they can not get cheap MBM as a substitute for farmer's grain, but it might also make the food supply much safer. Sometimes it is hard to argue with the natural world, biological evolution, and the way God made things.
 
Oldtimer said:
Canada and Europe have banned feeding poultry feces to cattle. Sundlof said the FDA is talking with its Canadian counterparts about the possibility of Canada loosening its ban on poultry waste.

Thanks for this OT. I can see I'll need to make a phone call in the morning to ensure that we don't do something rediculous, like loosen our own restritions in an effort to keep a trading partner happy.

Rod
 
DiamondSCattleCo said:
Oldtimer said:
Canada and Europe have banned feeding poultry feces to cattle. Sundlof said the FDA is talking with its Canadian counterparts about the possibility of Canada loosening its ban on poultry waste.

Thanks for this OT. I can see I'll need to make a phone call in the morning to ensure that we don't do something rediculous, like loosen our own restritions in an effort to keep a trading partner happy.

Rod

I thought that would interest Canadians-- I wonder how much poultry/Tyson lobbying money is going into both countries over this issue....
 
That's one nice thing about supply management for poultry, in Canada, the FARMER owns the chickens in his barn, not Tyson.
 
DaleK said:
That's one nice thing about supply management for poultry, in Canada, the FARMER owns the chickens in his barn, not Tyson.

Well, this bans going the other direction, with chicken crap going into cattle feed. And if some beef producers can get their mitts on cheap feed, they'll do it, no matter what the risk.

Rod
 
DiamondSCattleCo said:
DaleK said:
That's one nice thing about supply management for poultry, in Canada, the FARMER owns the chickens in his barn, not Tyson.

Well, this bans going the other direction, with chicken crap going into cattle feed. And if some beef producers can get their mitts on cheap feed, they'll do it, no matter what the risk.

Rod

Thats the modern day business world-- doesn't matter if its immoral, unethical, unsafe, whatever- if it isn't illegal or the penalties greater than the gain- someone will do it to make a buck.... :( :mad: I think ~SH~ calls it being "efficient" when he speaks of the corporate packers actions....... :wink:
 
It could be free and we still wouldn't feed that stuff. :? In case anyone here hasn't been around a chicken barn that's being cleaned out, trust me, appetizing it is not! :!: It's just plain gross and disgusting.

What's wrong with using it for fertilizer?
 
Kato said:
It could be free and we still wouldn't feed that stuff. :? In case anyone here hasn't been around a chicken barn that's being cleaned out, trust me, appetizing it is not! :!: It's just plain gross and disgusting.

What's wrong with using it for fertilizer?

You would have to make sure it was never used on anything that a ruminant would come into contact with wouldn't you? As If what I understand is correct the prions will lay on the ground for years and still be infectious.
 
With the price of fertilizer being very high in Canada Im quite sure guys would use it for fertilizer before they would ever consider using it in feed. Ive seen one place where they spread chicken manure, they work it deep into the ground, then you get the best use out of it. I wouldnt put it in my TMR mix even if someone was paying me to put it in there.
 
Its hard to believe we have to add chicken manure to make feed cheaper :!: We already got cheap feed, corn barley canola and soybeans. Grain farmers going broke producing it, when I started feeding calves in 1978 barley was $ 3.00 a bushel , that's 1978 Dollars. Today lots of Barley sells for $2.00 tops. :x
 
Your right on the money there Cowzilla. I think you could buy barley even cheaper than that right now. Screenings are almost as much as good heavy barley.... :???: :?
 
Tam said:
Kato said:
It could be free and we still wouldn't feed that stuff. :? In case anyone here hasn't been around a chicken barn that's being cleaned out, trust me, appetizing it is not! :!: It's just plain gross and disgusting.

What's wrong with using it for fertilizer?

You would have to make sure it was never used on anything that a ruminant would come into contact with wouldn't you? As If what I understand is correct the prions will lay on the ground for years and still be infectious.

Tam, it wouldn't be infectious if they didn't feed MBM in the poultry feed. It would then make a very good and SAFE fertilizer (then you possibly only have the antiobiotic problem and arsenic problem). It is a natural slow release fertilizer.

Seems to me the lowest cost is not always the lowest cost when all the factors are added in. The integrators do not have to add all the costs in as they can throw them on the farmers with no liability.

We will see how "efficient" the Oklahoma Attny. General Edmonson is with the legal recourse of the chicken crap problem.
 

Latest posts

Back
Top