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Vol 1. #10. Welcome. 107 new readers were added this week Last week, Clint Peck the Director of the Montana Beef Quality Assurance Program received a letter from a colleague suggesting that all foreign beef was suspect in terms of food safety. The colleague wanted Clint's opinion before he forwarded the letter on to his friends. The following is the dialog between Tom the colleague and Clint the Director. Enjoy. John Paterson , Extension Beef Specialist
Hi Clint,
Before I pass this on, I thought I might ask if you know whether it is true!
Have a great day.
Tom
THE LETTER TO TOM THAT HE WANTED CLINT PECK TO REVIEW AND COMMENT ON BEFORE HE SENT IT ON TO HIS FRIENDS
McDonald's claims that there is not enough beef in the USA to support their restaurants. Well, we know that is not so. Our opinion is they are looking to save money at our expense. The sad thing of it is that the people of the USA are the ones who made McDonald's succe! ssful in the first place, but we are not good enough to provide beef. We personally are no longer eating at McDonald's, which I am sure does not make an impact, but if we pass this around maybe there will be an impact felt. Please pass it on Just to add a note, all Americans that sell cows at a livestock auction barn had to sign a paper stating that we do NOT EVER feed our cows any part of another cow. South Americans are not required to do this as of yet. McDonald's has announced that they are going to start importing much of their beef from South America. The problem is that South Americans aren't under the same regulations as American beef producers, and the regulations they have are loosely controlled. They can spray numerous pesticides on their pastures that have been banned here at home because of residues found in the beef. They can also use various hormones and growth regulators that we can't. The American public needs to be aware of this problem and that they may be putting themselves at risk from now on by eating at good old McDonald's. American ranchers raise the highest quality beef in the world and this is what Americans deserve to eat. Not beef from countries where quality is loosely controlled. Therefore, I am proposing a boycott of McDonald's until they see the light.
I'm sorry but everything is not always about the bottom line, and when it comes to jeopardizing my family's health, that is where I draw the line. I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers!
I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you? Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on.
THE RESPONSE FROM CLINT PECK, DIRECTOR OF MONTANA BEEF QUALITY ASSURANCE PROGRAM
Tom,
It's about time to bury this thing, tamp the dirt over it and get on with business.
The letter you've been sent started making the rounds several years ago when McDonald's announced they were testing the use of foreign product in their hamburger. They've since initiated importing beef trimmings into their mix as a regular practice -- no one is sure, but taking a guess it could be as much as 15-20% by volume today depending on the region, the location of the ground beef grinder/supplier and the time of year.
That said, the statement: "The American public needs to be aware of this problem and that they may be putting themselves at risk from now on by eating at good old McDonald's," could not be more off-base and could not be more damaging to our domestic beef industry.
# 1 -- First, it sends the message that because McD's (and others) uses foreign product in their hamburger mix all beef consumed in their establishments is not safe or wholesome. I think the safety/wholesomeness record of our domestic hamburger supply (outside of e.coli -- which appears to be more of a domestic-based issue than foreign-based) is stellar to say the least. The people who propagate these letters are not only uninformed and ignorant of what occurs in the course of international beef production, they're hurting themselves and everyone else in the industry.
# 2 -- McD's and the others require the same product safety standards, HACCP procedures, spot-check inspections and inspection equivalency standards of foreign supplies as they do from domestic suppliers. In fact, the USDA only allows foreign product to be imported from export-certified plants located in any importing country. These are the same plants, by the way, no matter the country, export beef to other regions like the EU, Asia, Middle East, etc. They all must meet international and country-by-country sanitary standards. As well, the animals being harvested in those countries must meet international phytosanitary standards.
Therefore, we (the U.S.) impose our domestic standards on export-certified plants (yes, USDA inspectors and inspectors from other importing countries physically and regularly visit the foreign plants). Those foreign export-certified facilities must also meet international standards. This double firewall system works very well and I've seen no evidence in my experience that there's any wiggle room in all this. The exporters and the exporting countries simply have too much to loose if their food safety systems are allowed to be compromised. Add to that a system where all imported product is subject to randomized inspection upon arrival in the U.S. and we should have no undue fear as far as safety and wholesomeness of imported product is concerned.
Anyone who does not believe this should visit an export-certified plant in any country in the world and see for themselves... You don't know until you see it for yourself. It is my observation that there's no more risk posed from beef exported through any foreign export-certified meat packing establishment than from any similar domestic processing facility.
All said though, it's important that at every juncture we keep USDA's feet to the fire and make sure they're doing their job internationally and that exporting countries are held accountable and continually scrutinized by governments, importers, and by producers themselves.
# 3 -- The truth of the matter is that five years ago and today -- there wasn't and isn't enough volume or consistent (both annual or seasonal) supply of lean beef trimmings (>85% lean) to meet domestic beef trimmings demand. There are several reasons for this that combine to create this supply deficit:
a) The demand for ground beef continues to grow in the U.S. First, 65% of all beef eatings in the U.S. include ground beef prepared in some form. This percentage is growing. We are simply consuming more ground beef in the U.S. every day.
b) Combined U.S. beef cattle and dairy cow numbers have declined (especially dairy cows) over the past decade. In fact, we're seeing little if any rebound in our beef cow herd as we expected given the current cattle cycle. And, bull populations are down. This means there are simply fewer non-fed (cull) animals domestically available to go into the ground beef supply.
c) The beef industry has done an incredible job in recent years to "profile" muscles of non-fed animals - and fed animals - and fabricate finished cuts from muscle tissue that in the past made its way only as far as the grinder. The classic examples of this are the flank steaks and flat iron steaks we see on menus today. A trip through any meat case will also demonstrate how many other beef cuts are being offered from muscles that 10 years ago were used for grinding. Importantly, these also tend to be the leaner cuts.
More importantly, the fabrication of these cuts simply adds value to the carcass -- which we hope is shared through the production chain (a whole other subject). Think about it -- we're now taking a significant portion of the carcass and gaining something like $3.50/lb (wholesale) versus $0.85/lb (wholesale) when grinding was the only reasonable option available to dispose of those muscle tissues. Pure economics suggest that we don't want to go back to the old days when so much of those muscles that are now adding value to the carcass end up in the grinder at a lesser value.
d) The supply of beef trimming coming from both our domestic fed and non-fed harvest animals contain more fat than ever (50% fat -- who knows...?). Check out the 2005 Beef Quality Audit and you'll see that the number of YG4s and even YG5s continues to grow as the domestic beef industry chases the Choice target. The consist of these trimmings demands that they be blended with leaner trimmings (usually 90%CL) to lower the fat percentage and raise the lean to something like at least an 85% lean product that satisfies consumer eating expectations. Quite frankly, 50% lean beef trimmings standing alone have little or no value. And, if you think the beef processors are going to pay workers to "trim the trimmings" you're barking up the wrong tree. Try doing that and see what happens to the supply and price of ground beef!
# 4) This all begs the question: If the demand in this country for lean beef trimmings (hamburger) is increasing, and our domestic supply of lean beef trimming is decreasing, how does the beef industry as an aggregate solve that deficit? We simply must import the product from countries with active beef export industries and where the comparative advantages lie in producing a lean beef product and where the competitive forces allow them to produce and export a product (in this case lean trimmings) into a market that can absorb (and can afford to pay for) those imports. Further, the case can be made that these imported beef trimmings ADD VALUE to the domestic trimmings through blending. This is a classic supply and demand situation.
# 5 -- Sadly, letters like this are passed around by groups and individuals that believe there's an enemy behind every tree. The fact of the matter is a lot of things are working very well in our industry. Sure, McD's wants to save money and increase profits. And, if they can do this by in part increasing beef consumption, and we hope demand, without compromising safety and wholesomeness, isn't that good for beef producers everywhere? If any U.S. cattle rancher or feeder wants to try and raise animals simply to meet the ground beef market, they're going to get a rude awakening. I'm sure there are a lot of processors who would gladly pay a price for animals of which a higher-than-present proportion of the carcass goes into the grinder. We can only imagine how profitable for cattlemen it would be to do this.
# 6 -- Regarding the statements specifically about South America: Presently, of the major South American beef-producing countries, U.S. businesses are allowed to import fresh, frozen or chilled beef from only Uruguay. Imports from Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Bolivia etc. are presently limited to "thermally processed" product due to foot-and-mouth disease (FMD) threat. Those prohibitions will remain that way until both the U.S. government and international epizootic authorities are satisfied that either regionally or nationally beef imports from those countries pose no FMD threat.
Please also understand that certainly in Uruguay (as well as Brazil and Argentina) cattle farmers very closely follow production standards and are closely watched by their governments and the packing/processing industries -- certainly with regard to anabolics and feed additives. The statement about "various hormones and growth regulators" used in South America could not be more off-base. These products are not legal, are not in the marketplace and are not used. Their use poses a tremendous risk to international markets and would put individual producers at risk of being closed out of their local domestic markets. I've never seen a sign of anabolic use in all my South American experiences. Also, the use of these products would further impinge on their cost of production which is their only comparative advantage. In Uruguay the national strategy is to market beef internationally as "Lean and Green" -- meaning it is low-fat and raised under "pristine" conditions. With 85% of Uruguyan beef produced for export -- they have too much to loose in compromising the standards they've set for the beef producers of their country.
South American beef producers don't have to sign "animal protein" affidavits simply because no animal proteins are fed. This practice isn't employed in those countries as the cost of producing beef and their production systems don't necessitate the use of animal proteins in feed.
I'm not sure where the comments about "pesticides" come from. Quite frankly, in all my visits to South America, I've never seen pesticides sprayed on cattle pasture or evidence thereof. I've witnessed herbicides being sprayed on agricultural crops like soybeans (the exact same products we use in the U.S.), but never cattle pastures. I'm not sure what they might use that could cause the kind of residue problems suggested, I'd like to know more about that if it's in fact happening. Again, such practices if employed would simply raise costs.
I hope this helps you decide not to propagate this letter. Yes, the international beef community is working very hard to take global market share away from U.S. producers. But, do we want them to gain market share while through our own ignorance and arrogance while we scare consumers away from any and all beef products in this country and elsewhere? Or, do we want to compete in the global marketplace by using our vast resources and comparative and competitive advantages in a way that raises the bar for all producers by expanding beef demand and creating more markets for a better beef product?
Clint
Contact John Paterson, MSU Extension Beef Specialist at [email protected] or 406.994.5562
 
What's to comment ? sw is a 2 bit packer puppet,this so called beef specialist is a liar,its a simple matter to import beef into the United States from the south american countries,beef that is watered with waste water and fed forage from pastures that have been treated with any and all banned pesticides/insecticides they can aquire from china,as I read the above post ,it sends a strong message to me how important it is to get truthful/honest facts to the American consumer. M COOL is a start............good luck
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
Gee Sandhusker why no comments?

Paul Harvey has plenty of material for half a dozen "Rest of the Story" segments here....

For starters, take a look at how we inspect plants in Mexico and what we've found.

Take a look at exactly how much of all that product that is subject to inspection actually IS inspected.

Max Thornsberry was in Central America and SAW drugs being used that are banned here.
 
USDA and packer's HACCP protocols are not doing an adequate job in the USA to prevent E.coli contamination...what makes Clint think they are doing a better job in foreign plants? I would be willing to bet that the trim that contaminated Topp's 20M pounds of GB came to them with a USDA inspected stamp on it...whether from a domestic or foreign source!!!

Which foreign countries follow the same EPA, FDA, and USDA regulations that USA producers have to follow? This should be the first requirement for any country to import food products.

Are foreign export-certified facilities subject to random and unannounced inspections from USDA inspectors?? I know my plant is!!!

I think Clint should look back at the mid-1990s to understand why producers and speculators haven't made significant monetary investment to expand USA herds.
 
A timely release from the disorganized organization; :lol:

Washington, D.C. – R-CALF USA Trade Committee Co-Chair Eric Nelson, on Monday, participated in a public meeting conducted by the Interagency Working Group on Import Safety, specifically to discuss the need to improve safety standards for cattle and beef imported into the United States. Almost four dozen groups made presentations, many of which also are concerned with the safety of food imports. The heads of 12 federal agencies also were present.

"From a consumer perspective, the reason for maintaining high production and processing standards is obvious – it equates to safe food," Nelson pointed out. "But, those of us in the live cattle industry have an additional, economic-based reason as well: Maintaining the highest health and safety standards gives us a clear, competitive advantage in the global beef market.

"We pride ourselves in being both independent and competitive," he continued. "This is because we are one of only a few of the major agricultural sectors that continue to earn our income from a competitive marketplace, not from government price supports.

"Today, government policies are threatening both our ability to maintain consumer confidence in the U.S. beef supply and our ability to maintain our competitiveness in the global market because recent policies are systematically lowering the health and safety standards applicable to growing volumes of imported cattle and beef," Nelson explained. "The U.S. cattle industry must maintain the highest possible level of consumer confidence in the beef produced from their cattle, and to accomplish this objective, we must – without exception – maintain the highest level of health and safety standards throughout the entire beef production cycle.

"Contrary to what you may be hearing from other segments of the beef supply chain, the farmers and ranchers of this country know, unequivocally, that we cannot compromise our high level of production and processing standards," he emphasized.

R-CALF USA believes the government policies that are particularly detrimental to both the interests of the U.S. cattle industry, as well as U.S. consumers, include:

Inadequate rules of origin in international trade agreements that allow live cattle produced under unknown production standards in an unknown country to be imported into the exporting country, where the cattle are harvested and processed into beef, and then exported duty free to the U.S.


Failure to upwardly harmonize health and safety standards by not requiring importing countries to practice and apply identical health and safety standards as are required in the U.S. – throughout the entire life cycle of cattle – before imported beef is allowed entry into the U.S.


Failure to fully distinguish imported beef and cattle from U.S. beef and cattle with a country-of-origin label on all beef and a permanent mark of origin on all imported cattle that is not subject to revocation by USDA.

"The fundamental principle that U.S. food import policies have ignored, but which we have now learned is undeniably important from our experience with Chinese catfish, is that the standards and practices applied during the growing phase of food production have a significant affect on food safety," Nelson said. "This is particularly significant to beef because the length of the growing phase for cattle necessary to produce beef is by far the longest phase of the beef production cycle, as well as an important determinant of the quality, wholesomeness, and safety of the final beef product.

"The cattle growing stage – the period in which the cattle are reared and managed before harvest, typically lasts well over a year, and often longer, so if health or safety standards are compromised during this growing phase, so to is the final beef product, regardless of the standards met during the much shorter, harvest and processing phases," he asserted. "The computer industry coined a phrase that helps to explain this concern: Garbage in, garbage out.

"Until the U.S. begins to require developed and developing countries alike to adhere to the same veterinary drug restrictions, insecticide use restrictions, feed supplement restrictions, feed production restrictions, water quality restrictions, and the same animal husbandry restrictions as are applied and practiced in the U.S., imported beef will inherently pose a higher health and safety risk than beef produced in the United States," Nelson continued.

"This is why it is so absurd for USDA (U.S. Department of Agriculture) and the multinational meatpackers to continue to insist that country-of-origin labeling (COOL) is not a food safety issue," he said. "The fact is that food safety varies depending on where the food is produced because production standards differ from country to country. The U.S. once required foreign meatpacking plants to meet standards identical to U.S. standards, but to facilitate imports into the U.S. this standard was relaxed in the '90s to allow beef imports into the U.S. provided the importing country maintained equivalent standards, which could well be different than standards in the United States.

In furtherance of its goal to promote beef imports, in 2004 the U.S. relaxed the monthly inspection requirements of foreign meatpacking plants, and now performs only periodic audits of such plants," Nelson elaborated. "Not only have these actions weakened our ability to ensure the safety of imported beef during the final phase of the production cycle, the harvesting and processing phase, but also, they have assured far less oversight of the much longer and arguably more important growing phase of imported beef's production cycle.


"In the wake of what appears an accelerated emergence of global disease outbreaks, it is poor public policy to begin lowering U.S. health and safety import standards, but this is exactly what USDA is doing for imported cattle and beef," Nelson concluded. "USDA offers no tangible benefit for subjecting the U.S. cattle industry and U.S. consumers to the increased health and safety risks associated with these actions other than to 'normalize' trade, and R-CALF USA encourages the Working Group to recommend that USDA immediately begin to strengthen U.S. import standards for beef and cattle so U.S. cattle producers can continue to earn the confidence of consumers and remain competitive in the global market."

Note: To view Nelson's 5-page presentation, visit the "International Trade" link at www.r-calfusa.com.
 
NON of this will HAPPEN without records that move with the ANIMAL or the Product.

Nelson said. "This is particularly significant to beef because the length of the growing phase for cattle necessary to produce beef is by far the longest phase of the beef production cycle, as well as an important determinant of the quality, wholesomeness, and safety of the final beef product.

"The cattle growing stage – the period in which the cattle are reared and managed before harvest, typically lasts well over a year, and often longer, so if health or safety standards are compromised during this growing phase, so to is the final beef product, regardless of the standards met during the much shorter, harvest and processing phases," he asserted. "The computer industry coined a phrase that helps to explain this concern: Garbage in, garbage out.

"Until the U.S. begins to require developed and developing countries alike to adhere to the same veterinary drug restrictions, insecticide use restrictions, feed supplement restrictions, feed production restrictions, water quality restrictions, and the same animal husbandry restrictions as are applied and practiced in the U.S., imported beef will inherently pose a higher health and safety risk than beef produced in the United States," Nelson continued.
GOT to have www.ScoringAg.com Recordkeeping to match the meat to the
RISK
 
If someone disagrees they are a packer puppet :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Show proof of substandard production practices not just rumor. A well written letter especially about the fear mongers and paraniods who see enemies behind every tree. But keep on playing on fear it got GW elected maybe you guys can scare US consumers into paying more for US beef :roll:
 
QUESTION said:
If someone disagrees they are a packer puppet :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Show proof of substandard production
practices not just rumor. A well written letter especially about the fear mongers and paraniods who see enemies behind every tree. But keep on playing on fear it got GW elected maybe you guys can scare US consumers into paying more for US beef :roll:

That statement sez it all.........show proof that mexico and south American countries have substandard production practices...........gimme a break,I dont think anyone reading here will waste their time showing you proof South American countries have substandard production practices,but I will tell you this ....I been there,have you ?
good luck
 
QUESTION said:
If someone disagrees they are a packer puppet :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Show proof of substandard production practices not just rumor. A well written letter especially about the fear mongers and paraniods who see enemies behind every tree. But keep on playing on fear it got GW elected maybe you guys can scare US consumers into paying more for US beef :roll:

Which foreign countries follow the same EPA, FDA, and USDA regulations that USA producers have to follow?

Are foreign export-certified facilities subject to random and unannounced inspections from USDA inspectors??
 
HAY MAKER said:
What's to comment ? sw is a 2 bit packer puppet...
I don't know sw or HY, but I do recall a few things from their posts. If I remember correctly, they've been retaining ownership and getting back carcass data for 15 years. While some people are content to haul the same old junk to the salebarn every year, they've been working on improving their cattle - and putting their money where their mouth is. Surely that's good for the consumer and good for demand, isn't it?

I think they mentioned being part of Montana Branded Beef. While some people expect the government to make more laws to 'fix' everything - things like Mandatory Country of Origin Labeling - they're already actively providing labeling for their cattle by being part of a branded program. Again, putting their money where their mouth is. If origin labeling is of any value, surely what they've been doing is a good thing, isn't it?

I remember when cattlemen used to get along and had respect for each other. They ALWAYS treated each other with respect - even if they differed in their visions of the future. We'll never solve any problems or change anything without listening to each other. Respect is a good place to start. In fact, it's probably essential.

I know sometimes it's difficult, but if you ask me, this industry would be better off with less name-calling, divisiveness and choosing of sides. What we really need is more "2 bit packer puppets" like sw. He puts his money where his mouth is - working to improve his cattle and provide what consumers want. I can respect somebody like that.
 
Texan said:
HAY MAKER said:
What's to comment ? sw is a 2 bit packer puppet...
I don't know sw or HY, but I do recall a few things from their posts. If I remember correctly, they've been retaining ownership and getting back carcass data for 15 years. While some people are content to haul the same old junk to the salebarn every year, they've been working on improving their cattle - and putting their money where their mouth is. Surely that's good for the consumer and good for demand, isn't it?

I think they mentioned being part of Montana Branded Beef. While some people expect the government to make more laws to 'fix' everything - things like Mandatory Country of Origin Labeling - they're already actively providing labeling for their cattle by being part of a branded program. Again, putting their money where their mouth is. If origin labeling is of any value, surely what they've been doing is a good thing, isn't it?

I remember when cattlemen used to get along and had respect for each other. They ALWAYS treated each other with respect - even if they differed in their visions of the future. We'll never solve any problems or change anything without listening to each other. Respect is a good place to start. In fact, it's probably essential.

I know sometimes it's difficult, but if you ask me, this industry would be better off with less name-calling, divisiveness and choosing of sides. What we really need is more "2 bit packer puppets" like sw. He puts his money where his mouth is - working to improve his cattle and provide what consumers want. I can respect somebody like that.



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Texan said:
HAY MAKER said:
What's to comment ? sw is a 2 bit packer puppet...
I don't know sw or HY, but I do recall a few things from their posts. If I remember correctly, they've been retaining ownership and getting back carcass data for 15 years. While some people are content to haul the same old junk to the salebarn every year, they've been working on improving their cattle - and putting their money where their mouth is. Surely that's good for the consumer and good for demand, isn't it?

I think they mentioned being part of Montana Branded Beef. While some people expect the government to make more laws to 'fix' everything - things like Mandatory Country of Origin Labeling - they're already actively providing labeling for their cattle by being part of a branded program. Again, putting their money where their mouth is. If origin labeling is of any value, surely what they've been doing is a good thing, isn't it?

I remember when cattlemen used to get along and had respect for each other. They ALWAYS treated each other with respect - even if they differed in their visions of the future. We'll never solve any problems or change anything without listening to each other. Respect is a good place to start. In fact, it's probably essential.

I know sometimes it's difficult, but if you ask me, this industry would be better off with less name-calling, divisiveness and choosing of sides. What we really need is more "2 bit packer puppets" like sw. He puts his money where his mouth is - working to improve his cattle and provide what consumers want. I can respect somebody like that.

Texan,its all about mind set,if you believe you need a packer to put forth a premium product you are in the packer camp.And probably promote these so called free trade agreements/globalization.
If on the other hand you dont buy into the "ranch to rail" ......."farm to fork" shell games and believe you can provide a premium product that is Bred, born and sold locally,dont believe the trade agreements help cattlemen,dont believe globalization is good for small town America,then you are probably what is commonly known as a protectionist.
You might want to rethink your position on these so called protectionists.
Its my humble opinion as long as there are folks like you and sw pandering to packers in one camp.
And folks like me a protectionist in another.......there will always be divisiveness......good luck
PS... Please dont start the old Bull shirt theory about some people want the goverment to fix everything....that's been worn out.
The usda is so permeated with corrupt ex ami and ncba officials its almost pathetic enough to refuse to reconize them as a Goverment branch,but they seem to fix everything,as you put it.
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
Texan said:
HAY MAKER said:
What's to comment ? sw is a 2 bit packer puppet...
I don't know sw or HY, but I do recall a few things from their posts. If I remember correctly, they've been retaining ownership and getting back carcass data for 15 years. While some people are content to haul the same old junk to the salebarn every year, they've been working on improving their cattle - and putting their money where their mouth is. Surely that's good for the consumer and good for demand, isn't it?

I think they mentioned being part of Montana Branded Beef. While some people expect the government to make more laws to 'fix' everything - things like Mandatory Country of Origin Labeling - they're already actively providing labeling for their cattle by being part of a branded program. Again, putting their money where their mouth is. If origin labeling is of any value, surely what they've been doing is a good thing, isn't it?

I remember when cattlemen used to get along and had respect for each other. They ALWAYS treated each other with respect - even if they differed in their visions of the future. We'll never solve any problems or change anything without listening to each other. Respect is a good place to start. In fact, it's probably essential.

I know sometimes it's difficult, but if you ask me, this industry would be better off with less name-calling, divisiveness and choosing of sides. What we really need is more "2 bit packer puppets" like sw. He puts his money where his mouth is - working to improve his cattle and provide what consumers want. I can respect somebody like that.



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What are you clapping about,big ole dumb canuckle head you aint ever been anything except a sheep shearer,with a few watusi's,still living on "daddy's' place claiming his cattle.
hardest you ever worked was when you helped Miss Tam build that lill stage coach...............good luck
 
Really thinking hard here, I would say that BQA records would be ideal to enter into a SA record account to perserve value at ringside.

While some people are content to haul the same old junk to the salebarn every year, they've been working on improving their cattle . At least the records could be used to gain a higher price.

I also see coming a discount for animals with NO RECORDS at ringside or saleday ,kinda like the animal with a belly rupture that the buyers only pay half price,22cents.
 
Robert Mac,, At least the companies using ScoringAg for contract growers about 60% , want to see what was used when to produce to specs.I agree,

I also see coming...contract cattle and little or nothing for sale barn cattle, regardless of you SA records!
Do you contact to yourself for beef supply or buy from known suppliers with records to prove site management of animals.

this link below is interesting from the consumers angle.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/food/food-safety/animal-feed-and-food/animal-feed-and-the-food-supply-105/overview/index.htm
 
PORKER said:
Do you contact to yourself for beef supply or buy from known suppliers with records to prove site management of animals.

I only use animals born and raised by me and 99.9% of all food is raised by me. No outside genetics since 2000 except for embryos from a herd that has been closed for 70+ years. My niche is that you can't get more outside the mainstream than I am!! :D
 

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