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Primer on how to kill a market

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Primer on how to kill a market

Feb 24, 2006 9:21 AM
By Daryll E. Ray



With last December's reopening of the Japanese market to U.S. beef we thought that just maybe the BSE (bovine spongiform encephalopathy or mad cow disease) story was winding to a close. But our hopes were dashed with two late January announcements. A U.S. packer included spinal column material in a shipment of veal to Japan resulting in the Japanese once more closing their market to U.S. beef. The second story was the discovery of another Canadian animal with BSE.

But that wasn't the worst of it. Mixed into all of this was a case of foot-in-mouth disease on the part of a USDA official who was reported by the Japanese press to have said "that there was a higher probability of being hit by a car while going to buy beef at a store than being harmed by eating beef infected with mad cow disease." ??While that may be true from a statistical perspective, such a statement does not communicate any awareness of how seriously the Japanese take the problem of BSE. One can get by with ridiculing one's enemies, but that is hardly the way to treat a customer who prior to the discovery of BSE in one cow in December 2003 purchased $1.4 billion worth of beef a year.

As we review this whole saga from its start in late 2003, it appears to us that the U.S. response to Japanese concerns has been ill-considered at best. From the beginning U.S. officials have treated the issue as if the Japanese response were a matter of trade protectionism on their part - protecting their domestic beef market - instead of treating it as a reflection of a real concern on the part of the Japanese public.

The result has been to run the risk of driving the Japanese beef consumer into the arms of one of our export competitors. Australia. While U.S. officials did everything they could to force the Japanese to back down on their demand that every animal be tested for BSE, the Australians were moving into the market and capturing a part of the market share that had been occupied by U.S. beef producers. The wrangle lasted for nearly two years giving the Australians plenty of time to convince Japanese consumers of the quality of their product.

'Customer is right'

Much of this could have been avoided if the USDA and the U.S. meat industry had remembered the old adage, "The customer is always right," even if a majority of other market participants disagree. The traffic death toll matters little if what the customer is concerned about is BSE.

Within a month and a half of the discovery of BSE in the U.S. herd, Creekstone Farms submitted a request to USDA to be allowed to conduct private BSE testing at their plant in Arkansas City, Kan. The Japanese were willing to cover the extra testing cost and open their market to Creekstone's product. If the USDA had permitted Creekstone to test all of the animals it sent to Japan, U.S. exports could have resumed quickly giving the Australians little time to move into that market.

Instead the USDA waited six weeks before refusing Creekstone's request. In part the USDA argued that if they allowed one company to test for BSE in order to sell into the Japanese market it would force all other companies wishing to sell to the Japanese to test for BSE as well. And if it became the norm a fear was that domestic consumers might begin to demand testing as well. ??What an interesting perspective. One company makes an innovation like painting cars red, yellow, green, and blue and pretty soon all car companies will have to do it, even though black cars work just as well as green ones and green paint is a little more expensive. Ford ignored consumer preference and ended up permanently losing market share.

Having been forced to buy other brands to get the color they wanted, consumers developed loyalties to these companies. When growing up we knew several generations of families who only bought Plymouths or Chevys or Pontiacs. ??Other innovations fall by the wayside like the huge fins on the back of 50s and 60s Chrysler Corp. vehicles. Consumer preference is the way the market sorts out various innovations.

Our guess is that if the USDA had quickly approved Creekstone's request the market interruption for U.S. beef would have been less than three months, giving little time for competitors to establish themselves in the market. In addition it would have signaled our attentiveness to the concerns of Japanese consumers.

Instead, we are once again at loggerheads with Japanese agricultural and trade officials - hardly a position from which we are likely to quickly recapture a market worth $1.4 billion.

Daryll E. Ray holds the Blasingame Chair of Excellence in Agricultural Policy, Institute of Agriculture, University of Tennessee, and is the director of UT's Agricultural Policy Analysis Center (APAC). (865) 974-7407; Fax: (865) 974-7298; [email protected]; http://www.agpolicy.org. Daryll Ray's column is written with the research and assistance of Harwood D. Schaffer, research associate with APAC.
 
Pretty much sums up my way of thinking too.

The funny part of the whole fiasco was that there were people on this forum who took the ridiculous argument that the Japs had never said they would take our beef is it WAS tested. :???:

I wany my $175.00+ back. :lol:
 
It is hard to believe but I think we have been stabbed in the back by our own government. I wonder how many years or if ever it will take to get back to pre- BSE export levels? The damage that has been done here will have reprecussions for a long time I am afraid.
 
The Japanese are not going to trust the same people that tried to kill their trust readily and ignorantly. Maybe we need to clean house and get some COMPETENT and ETHICAL people in these positions.
 
Tommy said:
Primer on how to kill a market

Feb 24, 2006 9:21 AM
By Daryll E. Ray



With last December's reopening of the Japanese market to U.S. beef we thought that just maybe the BSE (bovine spongiform encephalopathy or mad cow disease) story was winding to a close. But our hopes were dashed with two late January announcements. A U.S. packer included spinal column material in a shipment of veal to Japan resulting in the Japanese once more closing their market to U.S. beef. The second story was the discovery of another Canadian animal with BSE.

But that wasn't the worst of it. Mixed into all of this was a case of foot-in-mouth disease on the part of a USDA official who was reported by the Japanese press to have said "that there was a higher probability of being hit by a car while going to buy beef at a store than being harmed by eating beef infected with mad cow disease." ??While that may be true from a statistical perspective, such a statement does not communicate any awareness of how seriously the Japanese take the problem of BSE. One can get by with ridiculing one's enemies, but that is hardly the way to treat a customer who prior to the discovery of BSE in one cow in December 2003 purchased $1.4 billion worth of beef a year.

As we review this whole saga from its start in late 2003, it appears to us that the U.S. response to Japanese concerns has been ill-considered at best. From the beginning U.S. officials have treated the issue as if the Japanese response were a matter of trade protectionism on their part - protecting their domestic beef market - instead of treating it as a reflection of a real concern on the part of the Japanese public.

The result has been to run the risk of driving the Japanese beef consumer into the arms of one of our export competitors. Australia. While U.S. officials did everything they could to force the Japanese to back down on their demand that every animal be tested for BSE, the Australians were moving into the market and capturing a part of the market share that had been occupied by U.S. beef producers. The wrangle lasted for nearly two years giving the Australians plenty of time to convince Japanese consumers of the quality of their product.

'Customer is right'

Much of this could have been avoided if the USDA and the U.S. meat industry had remembered the old adage, "The customer is always right," even if a majority of other market participants disagree. The traffic death toll matters little if what the customer is concerned about is BSE.

Within a month and a half of the discovery of BSE in the U.S. herd, Creekstone Farms submitted a request to USDA to be allowed to conduct private BSE testing at their plant in Arkansas City, Kan. The Japanese were willing to cover the extra testing cost and open their market to Creekstone's product. If the USDA had permitted Creekstone to test all of the animals it sent to Japan, U.S. exports could have resumed quickly giving the Australians little time to move into that market.

Instead the USDA waited six weeks before refusing Creekstone's request. In part the USDA argued that if they allowed one company to test for BSE in order to sell into the Japanese market it would force all other companies wishing to sell to the Japanese to test for BSE as well. And if it became the norm a fear was that domestic consumers might begin to demand testing as well. ??What an interesting perspective. One company makes an innovation like painting cars red, yellow, green, and blue and pretty soon all car companies will have to do it, even though black cars work just as well as green ones and green paint is a little more expensive. Ford ignored consumer preference and ended up permanently losing market share.

Having been forced to buy other brands to get the color they wanted, consumers developed loyalties to these companies. When growing up we knew several generations of families who only bought Plymouths or Chevys or Pontiacs. ??Other innovations fall by the wayside like the huge fins on the back of 50s and 60s Chrysler Corp. vehicles. Consumer preference is the way the market sorts out various innovations.

Our guess is that if the USDA had quickly approved Creekstone's request the market interruption for U.S. beef would have been less than three months, giving little time for competitors to establish themselves in the market. In addition it would have signaled our attentiveness to the concerns of Japanese consumers.

Instead, we are once again at loggerheads with Japanese agricultural and trade officials - hardly a position from which we are likely to quickly recapture a market worth $1.4 billion.

Daryll E. Ray holds the Blasingame Chair of Excellence in Agricultural Policy, Institute of Agriculture, University of Tennessee, and is the director of UT's Agricultural Policy Analysis Center (APAC). (865) 974-7407; Fax: (865) 974-7298; [email protected]; http://www.agpolicy.org. Daryll Ray's column is written with the research and assistance of Harwood D. Schaffer, research associate with APAC.

Tommy; is it coincidental that the articles you post are the same ones that Callicrate emails out to the whole world?

From the article: The Japanese were willing to cover the extra testing cost and open their market to Creekstone's product. If the USDA had permitted Creekstone to test all of the animals it sent to Japan, U.S. exports could have resumed quickly giving the Australians little time to move into that market.

Response: did any Japanese customers ever come forth to confirm this? The reopening of the market is a true SWAG from the author.

From the article: Our guess is that if the USDA had quickly approved Creekstone's request the market interruption for U.S. beef would have been less than three months, giving little time for competitors to establish themselves in the market.

Response: another major SWAG by the author.

When the author addressed RCalf's annual convention in 2004, did he cover any of these issues?
 
Beefman said:
Tommy said:
Primer on how to kill a market

Feb 24, 2006 9:21 AM
By Daryll E. Ray



With last December's reopening of the Japanese market to U.S. beef we thought that just maybe the BSE (bovine spongiform encephalopathy or mad cow disease) story was winding to a close. But our hopes were dashed with two late January announcements. A U.S. packer included spinal column material in a shipment of veal to Japan resulting in the Japanese once more closing their market to U.S. beef. The second story was the discovery of another Canadian animal with BSE.

But that wasn't the worst of it. Mixed into all of this was a case of foot-in-mouth disease on the part of a USDA official who was reported by the Japanese press to have said "that there was a higher probability of being hit by a car while going to buy beef at a store than being harmed by eating beef infected with mad cow disease." ??While that may be true from a statistical perspective, such a statement does not communicate any awareness of how seriously the Japanese take the problem of BSE. One can get by with ridiculing one's enemies, but that is hardly the way to treat a customer who prior to the discovery of BSE in one cow in December 2003 purchased $1.4 billion worth of beef a year.

As we review this whole saga from its start in late 2003, it appears to us that the U.S. response to Japanese concerns has been ill-considered at best. From the beginning U.S. officials have treated the issue as if the Japanese response were a matter of trade protectionism on their part - protecting their domestic beef market - instead of treating it as a reflection of a real concern on the part of the Japanese public.

The result has been to run the risk of driving the Japanese beef consumer into the arms of one of our export competitors. Australia. While U.S. officials did everything they could to force the Japanese to back down on their demand that every animal be tested for BSE, the Australians were moving into the market and capturing a part of the market share that had been occupied by U.S. beef producers. The wrangle lasted for nearly two years giving the Australians plenty of time to convince Japanese consumers of the quality of their product.

'Customer is right'

Much of this could have been avoided if the USDA and the U.S. meat industry had remembered the old adage, "The customer is always right," even if a majority of other market participants disagree. The traffic death toll matters little if what the customer is concerned about is BSE.

Within a month and a half of the discovery of BSE in the U.S. herd, Creekstone Farms submitted a request to USDA to be allowed to conduct private BSE testing at their plant in Arkansas City, Kan. The Japanese were willing to cover the extra testing cost and open their market to Creekstone's product. If the USDA had permitted Creekstone to test all of the animals it sent to Japan, U.S. exports could have resumed quickly giving the Australians little time to move into that market.

Instead the USDA waited six weeks before refusing Creekstone's request. In part the USDA argued that if they allowed one company to test for BSE in order to sell into the Japanese market it would force all other companies wishing to sell to the Japanese to test for BSE as well. And if it became the norm a fear was that domestic consumers might begin to demand testing as well. ??What an interesting perspective. One company makes an innovation like painting cars red, yellow, green, and blue and pretty soon all car companies will have to do it, even though black cars work just as well as green ones and green paint is a little more expensive. Ford ignored consumer preference and ended up permanently losing market share.

Having been forced to buy other brands to get the color they wanted, consumers developed loyalties to these companies. When growing up we knew several generations of families who only bought Plymouths or Chevys or Pontiacs. ??Other innovations fall by the wayside like the huge fins on the back of 50s and 60s Chrysler Corp. vehicles. Consumer preference is the way the market sorts out various innovations.

Our guess is that if the USDA had quickly approved Creekstone's request the market interruption for U.S. beef would have been less than three months, giving little time for competitors to establish themselves in the market. In addition it would have signaled our attentiveness to the concerns of Japanese consumers.

Instead, we are once again at loggerheads with Japanese agricultural and trade officials - hardly a position from which we are likely to quickly recapture a market worth $1.4 billion.

Daryll E. Ray holds the Blasingame Chair of Excellence in Agricultural Policy, Institute of Agriculture, University of Tennessee, and is the director of UT's Agricultural Policy Analysis Center (APAC). (865) 974-7407; Fax: (865) 974-7298; [email protected]; http://www.agpolicy.org. Daryll Ray's column is written with the research and assistance of Harwood D. Schaffer, research associate with APAC.

Tommy; is it coincidental that the articles you post are the same ones that Callicrate emails out to the whole world?

From the article: The Japanese were willing to cover the extra testing cost and open their market to Creekstone's product. If the USDA had permitted Creekstone to test all of the animals it sent to Japan, U.S. exports could have resumed quickly giving the Australians little time to move into that market.

Response: did any Japanese customers ever come forth to confirm this? The reopening of the market is a true SWAG from the author.

From the article: Our guess is that if the USDA had quickly approved Creekstone's request the market interruption for U.S. beef would have been less than three months, giving little time for competitors to establish themselves in the market.

Response: another major SWAG by the author.

When the author addressed RCalf's annual convention in 2004, did he cover any of these issues?


Beefman- How long has USDA's SWAG's not worked--Whats it been now? year or two- getting so long I forget...And how much have we lost using NCBA's $175 per head figure? How much more will we lose?
 
Beefman...Tommy; is it coincidental that the articles you post are the same ones that Callicrate emails out to the whole world.

Does it matter where the articles come from Beefman? Is this shoot the messenger if you do not agree with the message?

Beefman...When the author addressed RCalf's annual convention in 2004, did he cover any of these issues?


I don't know, I was not there. Are you saying he is not credible because he spoke at the R-CALF convention?
 
Funny how the R-CALFers talk about Creekstone but forget that Creekstone wanted to bring in Canadian cattle to send to Japan. Remember we already proved this with the letter from Creekstone to the USDA.
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
Funny how the R-CALFers talk about Creekstone but forget that Creekstone wanted to bring in Canadian cattle to send to Japan. Remember we already proved this with the letter from Creekstone to the USDA.


You are correct, BMR. This is one stance that everyone should have agreed on. It would have opened the Canadian fat cattle market to the U.S. over a year earlier had Creekstone gotten the green light.

Many also forget that the AMI were the main ones fighting Creekstone.

WILL THE REAL "PROTECTIONISTS" PLEASE STAND UP.!!!!!!!
 
Mike said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Funny how the R-CALFers talk about Creekstone but forget that Creekstone wanted to bring in Canadian cattle to send to Japan. Remember we already proved this with the letter from Creekstone to the USDA.


You are correct, BMR. This is one stance that everyone should have agreed on. It would have opened the Canadian fat cattle market to the U.S. over a year earlier had Creekstone gotten the green light.

Many also forget that the AMI were the main ones fighting Creekstone.

WILL THE REAL "PROTECTIONISTS" PLEASE STAND UP.!!!!!!!

It's R-CALF's selective memory. They were filing injunctions to stop Canadian cattle. They just use Creekstone in their vendetta against USDA they just don't tell the rest of the Story.
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
Mike said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Funny how the R-CALFers talk about Creekstone but forget that Creekstone wanted to bring in Canadian cattle to send to Japan. Remember we already proved this with the letter from Creekstone to the USDA.


You are correct, BMR. This is one stance that everyone should have agreed on. It would have opened the Canadian fat cattle market to the U.S. over a year earlier had Creekstone gotten the green light.

Many also forget that the AMI were the main ones fighting Creekstone.

WILL THE REAL "PROTECTIONISTS" PLEASE STAND UP.!!!!!!!

It's R-CALF's selective memory. They were filing injunctions to stop Canadian cattle. They just use Creekstone in their vendetta against USDA they just don't tell the rest of the Story.

BMR, you are one to be talking about selective memory. :roll:

You need to talk to your wife also. :roll:

Will the real packer backers please stand up. :lol:
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
Mike said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Funny how the R-CALFers talk about Creekstone but forget that Creekstone wanted to bring in Canadian cattle to send to Japan. Remember we already proved this with the letter from Creekstone to the USDA.


You are correct, BMR. This is one stance that everyone should have agreed on. It would have opened the Canadian fat cattle market to the U.S. over a year earlier had Creekstone gotten the green light.

Many also forget that the AMI were the main ones fighting Creekstone.

WILL THE REAL "PROTECTIONISTS" PLEASE STAND UP.!!!!!!!

It's R-CALF's selective memory. They were filing injunctions to stop Canadian cattle. They just use Creekstone in their vendetta against USDA they just don't tell the rest of the Story.

At the same time R-Calf was filing injunctions, the AMI were filing "Friends of the Court" briefs to open the border while at the same time fighting Creekstone's proposal in the name of "Sound Science", "Best available Science", and any other "Words of the Day" they could come up with. Double Standard on both sides BMR. If you can't see it you're blind.

Your bias towards the packers is funny BMR. Too bad you can't see both sides of an issue. :???:
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
Funny how the R-CALFers talk about Creekstone but forget that Creekstone wanted to bring in Canadian cattle to send to Japan. Remember we already proved this with the letter from Creekstone to the USDA.

You want to reread that document and show us where Creekstone said or even implied they planned on sending those tested Canadian cattle to Japan?
 
Sandhusker said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Funny how the R-CALFers talk about Creekstone but forget that Creekstone wanted to bring in Canadian cattle to send to Japan. Remember we already proved this with the letter from Creekstone to the USDA.

You want to reread that document and show us where Creekstone said or even implied they planned on sending those tested Canadian cattle to Japan?

So where were they going with those Canadian cattle they wanted to test?
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Funny how the R-CALFers talk about Creekstone but forget that Creekstone wanted to bring in Canadian cattle to send to Japan. Remember we already proved this with the letter from Creekstone to the USDA.

You want to reread that document and show us where Creekstone said or even implied they planned on sending those tested Canadian cattle to Japan?

So where were they going with those Canadian cattle they wanted to test?

You read the document.
 
Sandhusker said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
You want to reread that document and show us where Creekstone said or even implied they planned on sending those tested Canadian cattle to Japan?

So where were they going with those Canadian cattle they wanted to test?

You read the document.

I read the letter Creekstone sent to the USDA. I even posted it here.
If those cattle weren't for export to Japan the are you telling me that R-CALF supported Creekstone in importing Canadian cattle for domestic use?
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
So where were they going with those Canadian cattle they wanted to test?

You read the document.

I read the letter Creekstone sent to the USDA. I even posted it here.
If those cattle weren't for export to Japan the are you telling me that R-CALF supported Creekstone in importing Canadian cattle for domestic use?

Wrong again. You know better, why would you post a question like that?

Read the letter again and consider the timeline. I'll give you a hint; If you order chicken noodle soup at a restaurant and the wiatress tells you "we have no soup today", do you then order tomato soup?

Once you figure it out, I'll accept your apology on behalf of R-CALF United Stockgrowers.
 

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