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Manitoba_Rancher

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I got this out of the local paper. It was a letter to the editor. Thought it was very interesting.



I am writing this letter to give you my views on how the imbalance between farm gate prices for grains and oil seeds and the prices at the retail end have occurred in the last 30 years.I have attached graphs that were published in Western Producer last December that show the steady increase in the spread quite clearly.
Long-term solution to farm income crisis
It's obvious we are growing too much grain. To reverse this trend we have to take land out of produc¬tion. This seems simple enough, all we need to do is have more chem fallow. The problem with that is banks, lending institutions, crop input suppliers and machinery companies have such a strangle hold on us financially that we have to crop every acre just to circulate money to service the debt. If you have a look at the stats on the increase in farm debt over the last 20 years you will understand what I'm talking about, Governments of the day have got to get involved in a serious way and help us get this land out of produc¬tion with a program that has long-term effects and eventually causes the money to come from the market place.
Money to finance a program this size is going to have to come from existing programs and budget surpluses. The CAIS program should be scrapped because it doesn't work anyway; crop insurance has got to the point that it is practically worthless. I also think you should have a look at what's being spent on crop and oilseed research. Why would we spend money developing crops that produce more of what we have already got too much of? How ridiculous is that? Let's scrap these programs, add some money
To show yoo from first-hand experience how far everything has got out of balance I'll have to go back to when I started fanning. I started farming in Sas¬katchewan in 1973.1 worked at the local potash mine until the spring of 1974, when I quit the mine to farm full-time. Top rate at the mine was about $3.90 per hour and we were receiving $4.50-$5 after freight and elevation for a bushel of HRS wheat. In 2006, top rate at the mine is about $30 per hour and we're now receiving $3-$3.50 after freight and elevation for a bushel of HRS wheat. In 1974, you could purchase a tonne of potash from the mine for about $18, now it costs us $200. Today based on a $2 loaf of bread the farmer receives about $3.25 for a bushel of wheat and when you purchase the bread at the store you pay about $ 120 for that same bushel of wheat. As you can see from these examples, that to call this an imbal¬ance is an understatement.
Cereal prices healthy, corn stagnant
So what got us in this mess? Simply put—diversi¬fication. When grain handlers and food processors have an increase in operating costs, they simply pass this cost on to the end user. Fanners can't do that so we turn to governments for help. The few scraps that governments have thrown us the last 15 years has been about as effective as putting a bandage on a broken leg. When we've told governments these little bits of money aren't doing much good they've told us we have to diversify. What's happened is we've diversified ourselves right out of business. Now is the time for governments to quit giving us lip service and get down to business and put some serious money into a serious problem.
RIVERS BANNER Saturday, April 15, 2006 Page 13 from the budget surpluses and develop a program that actually works for farmers and ratepayers in this country.
What should this program look like? I think it should be a five-year program that reduces the seeded acreage of grain and oilseeds by 50 per cent The only way a producer could access money out of this program would be by proving through a government inspector that you actually took that land out of production. It should be financed 80 per cent by the federal government and 20 per cent by the province. The first year should pay out $80 per acre to a maxi¬mum of 50 per cent of your normal seeded acres. Year two would pay out $70, year three $60, year four $50 and the last year would pay out $40 per acre. This payment can be reduced each year because the stock¬pile of grain will be reducing and every year more money will be coming from the market place, as well as crop input costs would be declining.
While this program is in place, governments should be lobbying other countries to come up with a program of their own to reduce seeded acres. If all countries did this, there wouldn't be any need for subsidies because all the money would be coming from the market place. The only agriculture program that would be needed in conjunction with this pro¬gram would be a voluntary weather disaster program that is run the same as hail insurance.
 
Manitoba_Rancher said:
I got this out of the local paper. It was a letter to the editor. Thought it was very interesting.



I am writing this letter to give you my views on how the imbalance between farm gate prices for grains and oil seeds and the prices at the retail end have occurred in the last 30 years.I have attached graphs that were published in Western Producer last December that show the steady increase in the spread quite clearly.
Long-term solution to farm income crisis
It's obvious we are growing too much grain. To reverse this trend we have to take land out of produc¬tion. This seems simple enough, all we need to do is have more chem fallow. The problem with that is banks, lending institutions, crop input suppliers and machinery companies have such a strangle hold on us financially that we have to crop every acre just to circulate money to service the debt. If you have a look at the stats on the increase in farm debt over the last 20 years you will understand what I'm talking about, Governments of the day have got to get involved in a serious way and help us get this land out of produc¬tion with a program that has long-term effects and eventually causes the money to come from the market place.
Money to finance a program this size is going to have to come from existing programs and budget surpluses. The CAIS program should be scrapped because it doesn't work anyway; crop insurance has got to the point that it is practically worthless. I also think you should have a look at what's being spent on crop and oilseed research. Why would we spend money developing crops that produce more of what we have already got too much of? How ridiculous is that? Let's scrap these programs, add some money
To show yoo from first-hand experience how far everything has got out of balance I'll have to go back to when I started fanning. I started farming in Sas¬katchewan in 1973.1 worked at the local potash mine until the spring of 1974, when I quit the mine to farm full-time. Top rate at the mine was about $3.90 per hour and we were receiving $4.50-$5 after freight and elevation for a bushel of HRS wheat. In 2006, top rate at the mine is about $30 per hour and we're now receiving $3-$3.50 after freight and elevation for a bushel of HRS wheat. In 1974, you could purchase a tonne of potash from the mine for about $18, now it costs us $200. Today based on a $2 loaf of bread the farmer receives about $3.25 for a bushel of wheat and when you purchase the bread at the store you pay about $ 120 for that same bushel of wheat. As you can see from these examples, that to call this an imbal¬ance is an understatement.
Cereal prices healthy, corn stagnant
So what got us in this mess? Simply put—diversi¬fication. When grain handlers and food processors have an increase in operating costs, they simply pass this cost on to the end user. Fanners can't do that so we turn to governments for help. The few scraps that governments have thrown us the last 15 years has been about as effective as putting a bandage on a broken leg. When we've told governments these little bits of money aren't doing much good they've told us we have to diversify. What's happened is we've diversified ourselves right out of business. Now is the time for governments to quit giving us lip service and get down to business and put some serious money into a serious problem.
RIVERS BANNER Saturday, April 15, 2006 Page 13 from the budget surpluses and develop a program that actually works for farmers and ratepayers in this country.
What should this program look like? I think it should be a five-year program that reduces the seeded acreage of grain and oilseeds by 50 per cent The only way a producer could access money out of this program would be by proving through a government inspector that you actually took that land out of production. It should be financed 80 per cent by the federal government and 20 per cent by the province. The first year should pay out $80 per acre to a maxi¬mum of 50 per cent of your normal seeded acres. Year two would pay out $70, year three $60, year four $50 and the last year would pay out $40 per acre. This payment can be reduced each year because the stock¬pile of grain will be reducing and every year more money will be coming from the market place, as well as crop input costs would be declining.
While this program is in place, governments should be lobbying other countries to come up with a program of their own to reduce seeded acres. If all countries did this, there wouldn't be any need for subsidies because all the money would be coming from the market place. The only agriculture program that would be needed in conjunction with this pro¬gram would be a voluntary weather disaster program that is run the same as hail insurance.

It is interesting.

Overproduction (and oversupply) has been the persistent problem in agriculture. It reduces prices farmers receive for their crops and decreases it for the people they sell to. Many farm programs have been designed in the U.S. to decrease this production, but there has been a lot of cheating on some of those programs with no consequence.

Low prices for these commodities will continue until the problem of oversupply is solved one way or another. The world price for these commodities just isn't enough to get by on as many farmers are finding out.

We need to stop the cheap food policies that allow overproduction if we want to bring the prices up to profitable levels for farmers.

It is all about supply and demand and the fact that food is an inelastic commodity. Prices can't go up until supplies go down. I think the farmer got that one right, despite what goofy SH and Agman says. They just want excess supplies because it puts buyers in the driver's seat instead of sellers.
 
He needs to look at the CRP program down here. What he proposes is along the same lines.

I agree with the man, but there is one huge problem that I see; If the money came from the marketplace and not the government, it would be more visible to the consumers/taxpayers and they would squak. Yes, they are paying now thru taxes instead of the grocer, but it's not as visible that way and out of sight, out of mind.
 
Are you going to get all the 3rd world farmers to quit expanding?Every generation had it's own problems it would be better if the Government would stay out of agriculture completly.

CRP is a joke try buying a piece of land here or in the Dakota's it's all tied up for 5 to 10 years totally useless.Alot of CRP is really no tilled pasture ground that was only planted to make it eligible for CRP.

Biggest problem with agriculture is to many policy makers making the decision's for the rest of us.
 
This is, in my opinion, the biggest problem in farming now:


Perhaps America's champion all-time campaign contributor is Dwayne Orville Andreas. Although virtually unknown to most Americans, since the 1970s, leading politicians of both parties have been well acquainted with Andreas, his company, and his money.

The 77-year-old Andreas rose from modest circumstances to become chairman of the Archer-Daniels-Midland Company, which is based in Decatur, Illinois, and is the largest U.S. processor of farm commodities such as wheat, corn and soybeans.

Born to a Mennonite farm family outside Worthington, Minnesota, Andreas grew up mostly in Iowa and attended Wheaton College in Illinois. But after getting married in his sophomore year, the diminutive (height: 5-foot-4) Andreas dropped out and joined a small, family-owned food-processing firm in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

The family eventually sold out its business, and Andreas wound up at A.D.M., becoming its chief executive in 1971. He has converted a company once known primarily as a soybean mill into a diversified multinational powerhouse with more than $12 billion in annual sales. Former U.S. Ambassador Robert Strauss, who is a close friend of Andreas and an A.D.M board member, told FRONTLINE: "He's a very able businessman, probably the ablest one I've ever known."

While Andreas has been building A.D.M. into the self-proclaimed "Supermarket to the World," -- a phrase known to millions of Americans who watch A.D.M.-sponsored news and public affairs on both PBS and the commercial networks -- he has shown an extraordinary knack for cultivating powerful politicans. Among his past close friends and golfing partners: Republican presidential nominee Thomas Dewey and House Speaker Thomas (Tip) O'Neill, a Democrat. He was particularly close to Vice-President Hubert Humphrey, who was godfather to Andreas's son, Michael. Andreas has often been photographed with world leaders, including Mikhail Gorbachev. A statue of Ronald Reagan occupies a place of honor at A.D.M.'s headquarters.

As far back as Watergate, Andreas' political giving has thrust him into controversy. A Watergate-era investigation led to criminal charges that he had illegally contributed $100,000 to Humphrey's 1968 campaign for President, but Andreas was acquitted. And his $25,000 cash donation to President Nixon's re-election bid in 1972 became a focus of Watergate inquiry into abuses surrounding unreported campaign money. According to an investigative memo uncovered in 1992 that quotes President Nixon's personal secretary Rosemary Woods, Andreas delivered $100,000 in $100 bills to the White House shortly before the 1972 election. Woods stored the money in a basement safe for about a year, when the President had her return the cash to Andreas.

Andreas, who earns a $3.6 million salary, has continued donating generously to many Democratic and Republican candidates -- "tithing," he calls it. Over the years he has given money to Senator Bob Dole, President Clinton, President Bush, President Carter, Michael Dukakis, Jack Kemp, and Jesse Jackson, among others. Between 1981 and 1994, Senator Dole and his political foundations collected $178,000 in contributions from Andreas, members of Andreas' family and A.D.M. executives, according to Common Cause, a nonpartisan watchdog group in Washington. Andreas and A.D.M. have also given more than $2 million in "soft money" to the Democratic and Republican parties since 1991, according to federal records.

Meanwhile, Dole has become known to some as "Senator Ethanol" because of his longtime, staunch support of federal tax subsidies for corn-based ethanol, a gasoline additive. A.D.M., which produces sixty percent of all U.S. ethanol, has been a major beneficiary. Congressional fans of ethanol, many of them, like Dole, representatives of corn states, say it has helped ease US dependence on foreign oil. Others are not convinced. Recently New Jersey Senator Bill Bradley told The Boston Globe, "This billion-dollar tax break is nothing more than a gift to a single, politically connected industry." Andreas' critics link federal subsidies -- including sugar price supports and the ethanol tax break -- to the influence that they say his political dollars have bought him among elected officials. The sugar subsidy has the effect of raising the price of a corn syrup sweetner, another important A.D.M. product. In his stock reply to such charges, Andreas says, "We do not talk to any government official about our business."
 
Sandhusker said:
He needs to look at the CRP program down here. What he proposes is along the same lines.

I agree with the man, but there is one huge problem that I see; If the money came from the marketplace and not the government, it would be more visible to the consumers/taxpayers and they would squak. Yes, they are paying now thru taxes instead of the grocer, but it's not as visible that way and out of sight, out of mind.

The cost coming through the grocer would be a lot more efficient than the current system of going through the govt. although I see your point.

I don't think it would affect the price of raw product enough to make a difference to most people (95%) and it may open opportunities up in the economy. It sure wouldn't hurt the rural community.

The propaganda machine would come out that the price of raw goods is the result of price increases, however small. Margins for farmers have been decreasing while those processing the food have seen increases in their margins. It is all about supply and demand in a free economy. Govt. policy has a huge impact on supply and some on demand.
 
I don't know how much this thought is worth, but it keeps recurring so I'm going to out it out there.

Like many others have said, I think the biggest barrier to increased value for the goods we produce is the corporate buying power, or lack of competition in the marketplace. Because of that, the ADM's, Cargill's, Tyson's, etc. will fight long and hard to keep prices where they are.

BECAUSE, THEY LIKE OPERATING ON THE SAME RAW PRODUCT BUDGET THAT THEY HAD IN THE 70'S.

And we are stupid- committed- dedicated- enough to keep doing it for them. It is totally to their advantage to have the governments pay the real cost of the product to the producer.

The subsidies are not to the farmer or the consumer - they are to the guy that buys our product and turns it into a consumable good.
 
Maple Leaf Angus said:
I don't know how much this thought is worth, but it keeps recurring so I'm going to out it out there.

Like many others have said, I think the biggest barrier to increased value for the goods we produce is the corporate buying power, or lack of competition in the marketplace. Because of that, the ADM's, Cargill's, Tyson's, etc. will fight long and hard to keep prices where they are.

BECAUSE, THEY LIKE OPERATING ON THE SAME RAW PRODUCT BUDGET THAT THEY HAD IN THE 70'S.

And we are stupid- committed- dedicated- enough to keep doing it for them. It is totally to their advantage to have the governments pay the real cost of the product to the producer.

The subsidies are not to the farmer or the consumer - they are to the guy that buys our product and turns it into a consumable good.

Amen.
 
MLA, "The subsidies are not to the farmer or the consumer - they are to the guy that buys our product and turns it into a consumable good."

That's a dang good point.
 
Like many others have said, I think the biggest barrier to increased value for the goods we produce is the corporate buying power, or lack of competition in the marketplace. Because of that, the ADM's, Cargill's, Tyson's, etc. will fight long and hard to keep prices where they are

Doggone it, if I didn't know better, I would think you are an R-Calfer. :wink:
 
Who do we blame for overproduction and low prices? Take a look in the mirror, Farm Bureau members.

You are the ones who said "get rid of setaside because we need to get government out of agriculture." So, we now have more government intervention in terms of subsidies. The '96 farm bill named "freedom to farm" or "freedom to fail" by many was pushed by Republican congressmen, especially the guy from Kansas. Who pushed him and them? None other than Cargill, ADM, etc. They know that MORE bushels means more profit for them.

Many tried to warn the midwest farmers, but they fell into the FB mantra: we need to feed the world because if we don't, some other country will.

What you sow is what you reap.
 
the chief said:
Who do we blame for overproduction and low prices? Take a look in the mirror, Farm Bureau members.

You are the ones who said "get rid of setaside because we need to get government out of agriculture." So, we now have more government intervention in terms of subsidies. The '96 farm bill named "freedom to farm" or "freedom to fail" by many was pushed by Republican congressmen, especially the guy from Kansas. Who pushed him and them? None other than Cargill, ADM, etc. They know that MORE bushels means more profit for them.

Many tried to warn the midwest farmers, but they fell into the FB mantra: we need to feed the world because if we don't, some other country will.

What you sow is what you reap.

What is it that Agman says? It is results that count? Sounds quite a few have been fed buffalo and it has fallen right into the hands of the buyers.

The head economist at Farm Bureau, Bob Young, told me the Farm Bureau wasn't interested in making sure the Packers and Stockyards Act was enforced.

The Farm Bureau has their own agenda and as long as they can fool farmers/ranchers that it is the same as theirs and then do this kind of thing in D.C., farmers/ranchers will continue to be fooled.
 
Mike said:
Like many others have said, I think the biggest barrier to increased value for the goods we produce is the corporate buying power, or lack of competition in the marketplace. Because of that, the ADM's, Cargill's, Tyson's, etc. will fight long and hard to keep prices where they are

Doggone it, if I didn't know better, I would think you are an R-Calfer. :wink:


Mikey my boy, you darn near slipped that one right by me.


If I was standing here and hypcritically saying that I'm taking this stance strictly for health and food security reasons, then you could call me a r-calfer. I am not hiding a profit-minded protectionist agenda behind what I said.



I'll forgive you.



This time. :roll:



:lol2: :lol2:
 
Hey Chief I told you that the american and probally Canadian Farm are the stuppid.We beleave all they tell us .And then they manupilate the markets and screw us and they don,t even use Vasaline eather.We can,t tell the cows not to calve this year we can,t cut the production eather if we do they just import more .The ones that think supply and demant rules is living in a fatisty world.The guy from canada that worked in the potash mine .Potash corp had several million tons long last year long brazil didn,t have the money so instead of the price going down because of the big supply they shut down there mines for a time till they dried up the supply and kep the price .We can,t do that.So that is why we need parity price of production + a resonable proffit this was set up in 1910 1914 area to keep the farmer on the same pay scale as his city counterpart.He said the guys now are making $30.00 hr now wouldn,t you love that .The Us said the average farm income last year was $40,000. pretty bad when you have 1-2 million invested in land ,machinery or livestock and the city man carries a lunch pale.This won,t change most farmers are to self serving worrys about there neighbor renting there ground next year.They think if if they can out last them they will be okay.I set infront all the districk board on farm bureau Proffit ability Task Force and I never was so dissipointed in my life.They aren,t going to do noting protect there jobs.In illinouis we have a 5 story 10 acre glass sky scraper in Bloomington 4000 cars in parking lot those people get big salaries even if we don,t make a dime.Hey the ( Hell ) with it when m
e and my son get enough sell out for millions and play the rest of our lives no worries .Take care Charlie
 
Maple Leaf Angus said:
Mike said:
Like many others have said, I think the biggest barrier to increased value for the goods we produce is the corporate buying power, or lack of competition in the marketplace. Because of that, the ADM's, Cargill's, Tyson's, etc. will fight long and hard to keep prices where they are

Doggone it, if I didn't know better, I would think you are an R-Calfer. :wink:


Mikey my boy, you darn near slipped that one right by me.


If I was standing here and hypcritically saying that I'm taking this stance strictly for health and food security reasons, then you could call me a r-calfer. I am not hiding a profit-minded protectionist agenda behind what I said.



I'll forgive you.



This time. :roll:



:lol2: :lol2:

For whatever reason you wrote the post above, it is straight out of the R-Calf playbook. Thanks for forgiving me. My day will be content now.

:wink: :wink: :wink:
 

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