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Producing for Muslims

Ben H

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Maine has two areas (Portland and Lewiston/Auburn) that have attracted a large community of muslims, mostly from Sudan and Somalia, a few from Iraq and other places. As I'm clearing some land and have some brushy fields I could bring back I have considered goats as there is a huge demand in the area. A Sudanese guy came by my farm and I've talked to him twice. He's really more interested in renting a place he can set up to do Halal slaughter. He said they can go down to Pennsylvania to the New Holland auction and buy goats ready to slaughter for $50 each. Now I'm not so sure if there is really a profitable market for raising goats. However, if I use them for land clearing, the feed cost would be virtually nothing if I kill them before winter. I printed off some of the state statutes and contact info for responsible persons at Maine Department of Ag, County Extension educator (he was involved with a feasibility study for a Halal plant). I learned a few things, first of all we always hear how Maine is known for its generous welfare programs. Well, without asking he confirmed it.

Mohammed told me the key to dealing with Muslims is taking EBT cards (electronic food stamps), he said he works but because he has so many kids the State pays him about $900 a month. Then he said that the community tells their family and immigrant friends around the country to move to Maine because our welfare programs are so good. He also told me how they feel that you are "disadvantaged" in America if you can't speak English, therefore they tend to live in close proximity with each other.

Then he told me a little about the Halal. You have to bind the legs together and a few guys hold the animal down. They face towards Mecca (East) and the throat is cut. He said he grew up doing it and it doesn't bother him. He also mentioned that they believe in focusing your aggression on animals instead of people.
 
goats are easy to keep, and the local Hispanics buy them for several feasts as well..

get to know the diseases first as they get sick and if crowded they die quickly. have a place to separate them quickly at the first signs of any illness..

as for the foodstamps.. :mad: ,.. local butchers often have the ability to take them..
 
Local butcher does goats (10-15 min away) but no Halal, they had a couple of bad experiences with it in the past.

I have experience with goats, my off-farm job is a biotech company which has a herd of a little less then 300 goats in confinement. I also have adopted two of them that I run with my cattle to help with the weeds.

It was Mohammed's attitude that the "State" is so generous, not considering that I'm the one footing the bill.
 
Unless the need was VERY real and the circumstances pretty dang dire, I would not be interested in becoming another enabler to the welfare system and it's massive waste and red-tape. By letting folks use food stamp cards, It's my opinion that is exactly what you'd become......another enabler for big government waste. Hope it works for ya whatever you decide Ben.
 
I currently don't take EBT/food stamps for the product I already produce, it wasn't something I was looking at doing. I'm just saying what came about my interaction, the situation is far worse then I realized.
I had somebody (non moose-limb) at the Farmers Market ask if I took EBT cards, she asked if I'd considered it and that some vendors give discounts to customers on food stamp. What I'm seeing is a situation where we have more people then ever on food stamps and with the buy local movement, they're demanding that their stamps can be used on local food.
 
I've heard of a couple of people here who sell goats like this. The buyers come to the farm, the seller gives them a place off away from the yard, where it's quiet, and they kill their own goat with their own method. When they're gone, they leave absolutely nothing behind.

But I'm pretty sure they pay a lot more than $50.00 for the goat. Shouldn't a goat be worth more than that? A Boer meat goat up here can be worth a couple of hundred dollars.
 
Any round from a A-10 GAU-8 Avenger cannon would scatter a hogs parts for yards in all directions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-8_Avenger. This is an anti armor weapon system not anti personnel.
 
VLS_GUY said:
Any round from a A-10 GAU-8 Avenger cannon would scatter a hogs parts for yards in all directions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-8_Avenger. This is an anti armor weapon system not anti personnel.






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I have a neighbor that raises goats and says slaughter goats are $2 a pound and there are no where near enough goats for the demand. They say it is the most eaten meat in the world. :o
 
movin' on said:
VLS_GUY said:
Any round from a A-10 GAU-8 Avenger cannon would scatter a hogs parts for yards in all directions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-8_Avenger. This is an anti armor weapon system not anti personnel.






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I think this was in reference to the Ag Tractor Plane discussion. ie an accidental posting in the wrong slot.
 
The goat industry came in strong and hard and is going out pretty slow.
The cost of fencing hit them hard. A goat makert was established.
This week goats are bringing 1.12 to 1.30 at Market weghing no more than 70 pounds..

The people that got into goat production tell us it takes almost a year to get those goats to 70 pounds. That is the deal no one understood. It takes twice the time to get a goat to mkt weight than a lamb.

The people that get the big prices say their muslium buyers come direct to the farm and buy and slaughter the goat at the farm leaving the farmer with all the offal to deal with..Not to many people want to keep the spoiling offal around to attract coyotes to the goat herd.
 
Couldn't you mix it in with other stuff and compost it? Maybe have a side business for people to shoot coyotes. Have the pile in the middle of a field with flood lights you can turn on with the flick of a switch.

I think there may be opportunities here to use goats to trim down some ski mountains, use electric netting and a portable corral. Have them pay you and then sell the goats.
 
Ben H said:
Couldn't you mix it in with other stuff and compost it? Maybe have a side business for people to shoot coyotes. Have the pile in the middle of a field with flood lights you can turn on with the flick of a switch.

I think there may be opportunities here to use goats to trim down some ski mountains, use electric netting and a portable corral. Have them pay you and then sell the goats.

lol Ben I see you are also a Gallagher Fence salemen
BTW one of the laregest goat producers in the area was the presdient ot the State Cattlemens Association three years ago when goats were hot
He had a hired man full time to take there horns out of the fence..I think they really did finally call the Gallageher man :lol:

I heard this week our great university has incorperated goats in the state ffa and 4-H livestock judging contest. I thought goats would be in the dairy contest..
 
Ben H said:
Couldn't you mix it in with other stuff and compost it? Maybe have a side business for people to shoot coyotes. Have the pile in the middle of a field with flood lights you can turn on with the flick of a switch.

I think there may be opportunities here to use goats to trim down some ski mountains, use electric netting and a portable corral. Have them pay you and then sell the goats.

NO! It would not make good compost. Compost doesn't get hot enough for meat and offal to be in it and be safe to use.
 
I'm don't agree MO_Cows

Compost kills bacteria and viruses, that is why it's one of the recommended methods for disposing of animal carcasses. It also breaks down a hole animal, maybe a few of the largest bones you'll find, but everything else is gone. The correct temperature for compost is 135-160 F.

Here are a few resources:

http://cwmi.css.cornell.edu/butcher1.pdf (butcher waste specific)

http://tammi.tamu.edu/largecarcassE-422.pdf

http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/depu.../InnovTechForum/InnovTechForum-IIC-Keener.pdf

http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/depu.../InnovTechForum/InnovTechForum-IIC-Keener.pdf

http://www.composting.org/videos.htm

http://whatcom.wsu.edu/ag/compost/fundamentals/needs_temperature.htm
 

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