Public land grazing

[WyomingRancher]

WyomingRancher was you involved in the pole mountain suit, which permittees and Conservation District just won?

Yes

ent to college with Mark, was a WSGA 2nd VP with him and am now on the WSGALT board with him.
Daughter home from college for spring break , she really like some ranch work on weekends .But she also pole vaulting for UW.But she not on the travaling team so dose have most week end off.
She gets to night herd all this week

Mark was instrumental in coordinating the permittees and conservation district. It affected our specific allotment, and so it's hard to describe the hell of it all. Mark was supportive through the entire deal, and we were lucky to have his leadership.

Congrats on your daughter! That's exciting and a big accomplishment to compete at the college level. I bet she'll be anxious for springbreak to end so that she can get some sleep!

 

[Southdakotahunter]

Iwont apologize for anything i have said. If you want LB to appoligize for calling names, i will. Its funny how she can spout off, but i get hammered for it.

I have never said i want all grazing halted. I have never lumped all ranchers that get the cheap grazing rates into one. Some take care of the land the way they should. Others over graze....you know it and so do I.

 

[Choclab]

damn....you should drop the "hunter" part off your name.......I for one don't want all the ranchers hating hunters like you and cutting off my hunting rights cause they are mad at people like you....

What else do you do for the resources you deplete, you know, the animals you harvest? Besides the occasional road hunting cans and paying taxes (which everyone does).....I could tell you what I do for the waterfowl I hunt....if you want, and it's a hell of alot more than picking up a freakin can





by the way.....my buddy just moved from Wa to SD last week and has already locked up 1000+ acres to hunt on...bet that burns your ash eh??

 

[Southdakotahunter]

First off......im a member of DU, Pheasants forever, RMEF, Walleyes unlimited, WTF . You tell me all about it.

Gosh, that really burns my butt. (not) I have plenty of land to hunt, thanks any way)

oh ya.....i help the 4h kids build duck and goose houses, i also have a 6 acre food plot geared towards pheasants, of which i release 50-100 adult hens every spring......

Now.........you tell me what you do?

 

[hopalong]

First off......im a member of DU, Pheasants forever, RMEF, Walleyes unlimited, WTF . You tell me all about it.

Gosh, that really burns my butt. (not) I have plenty of land to hunt, thanks any way)

oh ya.....i help the 4h kids build duck and goose houses, i also have a 6 acre food plot geared towards pheasants, of which i release 50-100 adult hens every spring......

Now.........you tell me what you do?

Oh wow i am impressed with all you do!!!
That is really something for you to be able to do so much regarding land stewardship.
Hell most of the people on this board do more than that towards land stewardship before breakfast than you do all year!

If all hunters had your attitude there soon will be less and less places for you to hunt!

The hunters that hunt my state lease land have an attitude just like yours,
it is their RIGHT top destroy my water tanks with bullet holes, to shoot a calf or two, to leave their casings just laying around,cutting cross fencing because it is a few hundred yards further that they would have to go out of their way,
From the way you sound you are just like them yet claim to be a good sportsman because you pick up a pop can!!!
Takes more than that. to be called a SportsMAN, and you have already proven you are not a man yet!

edited for spelling

 

[Southdakotahunter]

So, tell me what else i should doing towards land stewardship there hoppy......keep in mind, land here in my area is going for over 3k and acre........i dont have the 10s of thousands of acres many on here have to be putting up massive food plots........

Its too bad people shoot your tanks and your stock. Dont put me in that catagory. Why do you feel the need to attack my manliness, or even my sportmanship? Maybe i should attack your stewardness towards the land? I wouldnt because i dont know your ways.

 

[kwebb]

SD Hunter, I'm a hunter first a leased (private) land rancher second. But, now I hardly ever hunt because I'm too busy clearing (for wildlife and cattle), shredding, planting, cutting, spraying, calving, fencing, etc. I saw a good buck off my tractor last Fall and never saw him again.

There is just a whole lot more work invoved in ranching animals than letting nature build them for you. Those "cheap" public lands that are being leased are leased for what the market will pay. And the people that lease them probably pay in maintenance, repairs, and improvements more than they do on the lease.

I applaud your efforts to put back into the resource we all use. You may want to try riding a few miles in a rancher's saddle, though, before you talk too much about their lives. I used to think I understood ranching, too, and then I became a rancher and figured out I didn't know squat. I don't say that to be mean to you--just to let you know what my experience has been.

 

[Southdakotahunter]

I have never said ranching is easy, as farming is not easy. Its a good life, thats why we do it.

Question...... Is the price you lease your land any where near the price paid for the govt lands? Your fencing etc, just like on the govt lands.

 

[nenmrancher]

You know SDHunter here in NM much of the federal lease land is what noboy wanted when people where homesteading. Most of the land around here had people homesteading on the water sources and leaving the roughest and driest country to become FS or BLM lands. You may get the lease for little but you put lots of money in the lease getting water and other infastructure in place. Where private leases bring more because they have good water, dont have yahoo's tearing things up, and usually a family that still lives on the place or nearby that has owned the land for generations and takes care of fences and water.

 

[kwebb]

SD Hunter:
No, I pay a hell of a lot more than that for the land I lease.

It is old coastal and klein grass fields that mesquite has grown up in. I can run more head an acre on it than those BLM lands can run in 640 acres and I have the hunting rights as well. I am the only person allowed on the place besides the owner. To me, that is worth a whole lot.

I don't defend the rates they pay as I don't know firsthand the expenses the ranchers have on those areas. That's my point--you don't either. If the government would run a profitablitity study on a piece of land out there and see if they made windfall profits, maybe a change would be in order. Until then, it's just a lot of talk about something we don't know enough about and isn't worth insulting somebody over on either side.

 

[Salt Creek]

You figure $20 + per pair a month on the forrest, times that by 2, 3, 400 pairs a month for four months and tell me that's cheap!

 

[Triangle Bar]

kwebb wrote: I am the only person allowed on the place besides the owner. To me, that is worth a whole lot.

That's saying a mouth full. Public land is just that, Public. Every Tom, Dick, & Harry has access to your grazing ground. Others have posted the numerous public problems with fed. grazing, my problems are pretty much the same. In addition I have a county road running through my allotment with lots of high speed traffic and slow moving bovines.:?

Mayby the question should be.....What would you be willing to pay for a grazing lease that had all the before mentioned problems and the potential liability of the public being injured by your livestock (i.e. car vs. cow)?