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The breeders in fla talk up there bulls withstandin the heat better than the norther bulls do.readin in the fla cattlemens asseation magizene. Some of the sires are the same as or by, yalls sires. With the same geneitics, how can they claim this. Are they sayin sence they were born here, out of cows born here, are they more acuemated or climitized. There' lots of breeder here. Black and white cattle.
 
Anything that is born and raised in it's environment is going to be better suited than animals that are not. My cattle are better suited for Canadian winters than your Florida cattle, and your Florida cattle are better suited for everglades and heat than mine. Simple theory.
 
Motion,Commotion.Promotion. Most breeder's will tell you what they think you want to here. It's your job to sift thru the bullsh!t.
 
From my experience, I would say it is harder on the northern cattle if they go south. That wet, humid, buggy,washy grass enviroment is hard on cattle, harder than the cold. I am not talking about eared cattle. They won't be able to handle the cold up here.
 
BRG said:
From my experience, I would say it is harder on the northern cattle if they go south. That wet, humid, buggy,washy grass enviroment is hard on cattle, harder than the cold. I am not talking about eared cattle. They won't be able to handle the cold up here.
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So there's nothing to it... Nothing but a little common sense would figure out.... But...... just for the fun..... I know lots of cattle that go south say like to kansas.... Do cattle come north?? I know of no big feeders say in South Dakota that goes south to buy and feed cattle...... Is there???
 
Northern feeders don't especially like to feed southern cattle. One reason being a fear of not handling the winter weather. The second reason being that Nebraska, Iowa and Illinois packers are not excited about bidding on those cattle. It doesn't do much for a packer buyer's weekly Choice percentage when he buys some of those southern cattle. They bring the plant average grade down but they can also be bought cheaper. Funny how that works isn't it?

I've been involved in feeding seriously Southern cattle with lots of ear in Nebraska. They handled the winter in pretty fine shape, but I doubt that they would have done quite so well this winter. One thing for sure, they handled August in southeast Nebraska way better than any northern cattle. Waaaaay better :!:

HP
 
Angus cattle have been here a while. My grandaddy switch from short horn to angus back in the late sixtys. The were sure a lot smaller then. People that run angus bulls on scrub cattle, look for a smaller bull but there scarce. Scrub cattle are small. 800 lbs is a big cow. Some body posted about gettin some straws out of there semen tank from the 70's. I might, if I live that long, try and keep my cull cows and try and get some small black bulls to cover them for the market. Ropers like a horn that grows strate for several inches before curveing up. Most crackers curve fairly quick. A friend of mine moved to oklahome and took his herd of brahma cattle. He got them there in early summer to aclamate. He lost only a few older cows but has sence had to build barns for them to get out of the ice storms. Global coolin. We got a charolais bull in the dead of the winter years ago. The pond was up then and he stayed in it all day, eatin hydrilla like a hipo. I'd get out there on my airboat and run him out. He did ok. But by the end of summer, he sure needed a break. But down here angus cattle, or angus bred cattle sure bring more money. And I guess, if u was to bring a bunch of norther cattle here. And breed what ever held up the best. In a few generations, they would hold up. But all of them, black or white, northern bred or southern bred, will stand up all year with out some help except crackers, longhorns or coriente's.
 
High Plains said:
Northern feeders don't especially like to feed southern cattle. One reason being a fear of not handling the winter weather. The second reason being that Nebraska, Iowa and Illinois packers are not excited about bidding on those cattle. It doesn't do much for a packer buyer's weekly Choice percentage when he buys some of those southern cattle. They bring the plant average grade down but they can also be bought cheaper. Funny how that works isn't it?

I've been involved in feeding seriously Southern cattle with lots of ear in Nebraska. They handled the winter in pretty fine shape, but I doubt that they would have done quite so well this winter. One thing for sure, they handled August in southeast Nebraska way better than any northern cattle. Waaaaay better :!:

HP
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See..... This is why I love this place.. I just learned something..
 
katrina said:
BRG said:
From my experience, I would say it is harder on the northern cattle if they go south. That wet, humid, buggy,washy grass enviroment is hard on cattle, harder than the cold. I am not talking about eared cattle. They won't be able to handle the cold up here.
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So there's nothing to it... Nothing but a little common sense would figure out.... But...... just for the fun..... I know lots of cattle that go south say like to kansas.... Do cattle come north?? I know of no big feeders say in South Dakota that goes south to buy and feed cattle...... Is there???
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I was talking deep south.

I think when you hit Misouri or east the htoughest thing on the cows is the grass. Not sure how cattle that are used to eating good hard grass from SD, ND, NE, MT, WY would hold up when they have to eat washy fescue (spelling??)
 
i have a feeder across the road who goes to oklahoma and buys cattle,they have a lil ear and he does really good with them
 
Here is my actual experience not much but for its worth.

Western cows can come south in the fall and winter. And feed the heck out of them they will eat twice the mineral and double the protein cubes After the first winter they should be ready for grass. Actually older cows from the north and west in the drought years did quite well here. Many here know how to manage fesce and have improved pastures with legumes. Its bad when it joints
and joints again thats what is the killer. Get it all mowed in June. Its kinda like Brome grass.

Between my neighbor and I we have bought yearling Angus bulls here from the Dakotas and no problems just need to have their job done before the heat and pull them in fast. Usually a short 45 spring breeding for them then use a older bull.

Calves and yearlings all go north and west of here do great feedlots say.

Bringing Eastern Breeding cattle to the West.... is like bring bareback obamma to you local bar..

I think west and east coast cattle is a whole different story
 
Our neighbor in W. Montana had to sell a bunch of cows because of drought (we thought he should have hung on to them, they were really
good cows) and a fella in Missouri bought them. The next two years he
called to see if there were any more of them for sale; they did so well and he liked them a bunch!

I was born in Missouri and the last time I was there, 1993, I remember
seeing a herd of Charolais cattle up to their necks in a pond, it was so hot. :shock: I had never seen that before.
So, if the white cattle were that hot, what about black cattle?

Daniels Mfg. sells those sun shades that can turn down and make wind
break; do they use those in the south for cattle?
 
There was a big feeder here in colorado a couple years ago got cattle in from Mexico and had them in a feed yard next to a big wheat field. We had one hell of a blizzard that year and those cattle only been in that feedlot for about a month and they lost 3,000 head of them from that storm. No protection from the snow or anything. I was hauling corn into that yard a few days after that and they had a line of gut wagons along the road waiting to get in a load up on dead animals. I talked to the manager of that yard and he just said "Well we got good insurance" :?
 
RobertMac said:
BWard has been raising Gerts (developed in SW TX) in Canada for about twenty years. Cattle will adapt...it just takes generations.
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I had a Gert bull that was brought up from the King ranch and i had a couple of Brangus bulls, Even a Watusi. :D
 
I am in Northwest Florida, if we purchase a cow from out west we like to bring in in the late fall let her winter here then go through some of the warmer winter prior to getting hit with the really hot summers. It works but we have had some that just never did adapt to our summers. When a young bull is born and raised in our climate they will tend to do better in it not saying they are better than the northern bulls becasue we will breed using the same genetics they are just acclimated to our enviornment and it helps them along a bit.
 
Fla aint all swamp land and gators. Central and north fla are perty much high and dry. Most of north west is rollin hills with good clay soil. It can sure get wet south of orlando. But unless it gets a rare frost, grass only slows down in the winter. Our grasses are pencicola and argenten bahia, many types of bermuda, several new types and more native grass than I can think. Narry a sprig of washy grass. We don't judge it by how hard or soft it is. Just by how good a cow fairs in it. I think I'd rather graze more, than hay and feed more. Especially in the snow. Fla was once # 4 in the nation for cow/calf operations a few years ago. I think we are tenth or twelveth now. We are ranked #1 in retired yankees. We keep thinkin they will die out. But just like in the war, they keep comein and comein.
 
i've never raised cattle/horses in the far north with prairie dogs and tall grass or the far south with gators and water.but if ya ship anything to southern missouri or northern arkansas you can cure a good case of founder or big toe on their flint rock.livestock as well people have to ADAPT not only to the climate but TERRAIN. :shock: :lol:
 

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