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Question for anti-COOL people

Rod, I don't believe that segregation will be expensive at all. Heck, they're already doing it for Korea! It's a simple matter of scheduling. These guys are already sheduling when 1000s of animals come into their yards, what size of workforce it takes to process them, and then shipments to 1000s of vendors. It's going to be a big expense and bother to them to schedule Canadian cattle on Friday morning and Mexican on Friday afternoon?
 
PPRM said:
Oldtimer said:
Several of the local small plants that were trying to market a branded beef nationwide- that was USA born, raised, and slaughtered- went under mainly because they were not able to compete with generic/imported beef- when that generic/imported beef was being passed off to the customers as US with the USDA inspected stamp...
Under this law- and especially if Congress makes USDA enforce it the way it was supposed to be, which I believe will occur with the change of regime in D.C.- they stand a chance of making a go of it now....

I call Bullspit................

My Cost per head is $500 to process....My Net after that is about $2,000 per head. I am successful becase I raise Damned Good Meat that people Love. It is totally irrelevant what the imports cost....It is totally irrelevant what I do... I do not sit, p*** and moan about everyone else. I go out and make my stake. This is the USA, we have seemingly lost our individuality and become a group that has decided it is what others do that determines our fate...

My Packer (Small guy) is growing phenominally yearly.... The more average commodity stuff Tyson does, the better he does...

It is not rocket science...

These guys failed and have a convenient scapegoat... I can point to myself, Oregon Countrybeef and Painted hills. I can point to a dozen others in my state who have all done well. We are different that what you buy normally. It is the quality of our beef....

Too often I see the approach of "Buy it because I raise it"...I sell meat people will Love.It is what I do, not "What the Bad guys do"...

As Long a you blame others and wait for someone ele to change your position in life, you will reap the benefits of a socialistic society,

PPRM

Good for you PPPRM. My hat is off. I agree with you completely. You've done something to put more dollars in your pocket without taking it out of the other guys. These whiners ought to get off their butts and do something themselves like you did/doing. And you didn't have to get in nobody elses business either.
 
The main reason CAB is successful is that it is a marketing tool for the packers. The quality specs position it between the H&R market and normal retail. The packers are paying more at the salebarn for black hides to move the USA cow herd toward one breed...the idea being that will bring consistency to their product, beef. Because of the premium for black calves, the USA cow herd is more black today...but here is the fly in the ointment. Percent Prime and High Choice have gone down with the increase in blackness. :roll:

Sandhusker's original point that advertising works is undisputable!!! People ask for Angus because that is the name they have seen advertised. Unfortunately, most urban Americans think all cows are BLACK AND WHITE. Outside of the Merial Lynch(sp) bull(which obviously isn't Angus), how many black cattle do you see on TV???? Chick-fil-A???
 
RobertMac said:
The main reason CAB is successful is that it is a marketing tool for the packers. The quality specs position it between the H&R market and normal retail. The packers are paying more at the salebarn for black hides to move the USA cow herd toward one breed...the idea being that will bring consistency to their product, beef. Because of the premium for black calves, the USA cow herd is more black today...but here is the fly in the ointment. Percent Prime and High Choice have gone down with the increase in blackness. :roll:

Sandhusker's original point that advertising works is undisputable!!! People ask for Angus because that is the name they have seen advertised. Unfortunately, most urban Americans think all cows are BLACK AND WHITE. Outside of the Merial Lynch(sp) bull(which obviously isn't Angus), how many black cattle do you see on TV???? Chick-fil-A???

I don't think anyone has disputed CAB has done a great job marketing. And I also think we are lockstep in saying the reason people get a consistently good experience with CAB products is where the Quality Specs place it.

Black hide responsible for decrease in Prime and Choice? Thi did not happen in a vacume. The peak of Choice and Prime was during the period of British Breed Dominance. The rise of Continental and Bos Indicas crosses correspond to this. Feeding has changed a lot as well...Especially in the west, we have a prevelance of feeding Food Processing by products to cheapen rations and diluting the corn portion....

The other thing is the time factor. The age of clves being slaughtered has gone way down. Breed, feedng and age are hugely responsible. The Calves I send to Tyson hit about 85% Choice, so I think know a little about the things that affect grade....

Within the Angus Breed, there has been pressure for traits other than Marbing for a long time and the uniformity of the breed itself has gotten less so.

I am not sayng the Breeders in the orginzation don't bear some blame, I am just saying if you think Angus influence is the predominant factor, it is ignoring things that have happened as a whole,

PPRM
 
Actually, I reread your post robertmac.

I think the Packer Influence is overstated. Packers need a variety of cattle within a variety of breeds to fulfill the variance of wants and needs of the market.

Beef is very different than Chicken. When someone asks for a great steak, it can mean a variety of things. Some want lean, some want highly marbled. Some want a giant steak, some want a more moderate....


Perfect example is the range of wieghts before discounting. 550-950 pound carcasses on the grid I sell into. That is a huge variance in steak sizes. I place emphasis of what people want by looking at what they are willing to pay for...

I do think CAB reflects where the premiums are in the market,

PPRM
 
PPRM, I'm not saying Pr/HC quality has been stagnant or lower because of Angus, I'm saying it's like that despite increasing Angus influence("British Breed Dominance")...must be other problems. :roll:
Do I hear you saying that a small/on ranch feedlot/finishing can produce better quality beef than the big feedlots that do it cheaper??? :wink:
 
Hmmmm.....Robertmac, I am not saying they can, I am saying we are....

Can is relevant. They can do lots of things they aren't...It would be orety risky to dry age that many cattle and move into the frozen beef marketing.... But they could, LOL..

I do have to take on thing back in this thread. I took my wife to Burger King raving about thier Angus Biurgers...I did not see any on the menu right off and after asking I was guided to the "Steakhouse Burger" as 100% Angus...

I am not saying it was a bad burger, I am saying it was not a fantastic burger like before. It was dry and lacked the flavor... I am not sure f the shape had something to do with it...It was thinner and square shaped...

People have become so accustomed to mediocre that they do not know great...

PPRM
 
Ben Roberts can correct me if I'm wrong, but when beef was "KING of meats", the majority of the USA herd was Hereford influenced and most feedlots were run by producers...the way you are doing things!!! :wink: :)

PPRM said:
It was thinner and square shaped...
Sounds like a standard grind plant patty coming from several thousand head in the same batch!!!
 
I see old Dittmer is out there still packing water for the Packers/NCBA/AMI...

This is an e-mail I got forwarded to me from an NCBAer....

AFF Sentinel


For Immediate Release


Six Years of Wrangling - And Still Bubbling

From There to Where with a "Thus?!?"

The long-dreaded mCOOL is here but after more than six years of wrangling and re-shaping, key points are in flux on this far-reaching event.

While producers, feeders and packers wrestle with the realities of recordkeeping and changing processes and systems, politicians in Washington D.C., are demanding even more changes in regulation, if not new legislation.

Friday, Sept. 26, USDA's Agricultural Marketing Service (AMS) spooked everything by issuing a sentence in a guidance document that instantly changed what livestock feeders and packers had been assuming for months.

What the naïve and the poor thinkers had not understood all along was that tracking the identities - even a general origin identity - of the nearly 300 pieces of meat that comes from a typical beef carcass, for example, was going to be complicated, risky and expensive. The risk comes from a packer and retailer guaranteeing the origin of a single piece of meat that has been through slaughter lines, coolers, grading, sorting, branded program qualifying, fabrication, aging, sorting, shipping, cutting and more shipping - not necessarily in that order or that simple a process - to the satisfaction of retail label checks, FSIS inspectors, mCOOL documentation audits, retail insurance advisors and lawsuit-happy attorneys.

The minute we read the compromise language in the Farm Bill it was obvious to us what packers would do. They could avoid the liability risk of mixing a carcass from a Canadian or Mexican feeder calf in with a U.S. load, as well as avoid millions in costs in reconfiguring processing lines, coolers and systems by putting all cattle in the second "Multiple Countries of Origin" category. No major packer was going to voluntarily spend huge amounts to guarantee U.S.- only category meat without a substantial, demonstrable demand or premium for U.S.-origin meat. Over 90 percent of the muscle cuts in American meat cases are already from U.S. cattle and consumers already assumed that.

Both the law and the interim rule clearly specified that U.S.-origin cattle could be included in the Multiple Origin category.

Then AMS dropped Friday's guidance bomb.

"If meat covered commodities derived from U.S. and mixed origin animals are commingled during a production day, the resulting product may carry the mixed origin claim (e.g., Product of U.S., Canada, and Mexico). Thus, it is not permissible to label meat derived from livestock of U.S. origin with a mixed origin label if solely U.S. origin meat was produced during the production day."

That's a giant leap for a humble "thus." What's going on here?

What USDA is attempting is blunting the political cavalry charge that has descended on Washington, charging their mCOOL law is being abused. Congressmen, radical farm groups and activists have railed that USDA's regulations didn't follow the law and that packers are planning to flout the "intent of the law." So after six years, the intent isn't in the language? The problem is, do-gooders often have no understanding of how the systems they are "fixing" actually work, no concept of cost and no perception of the penalties in reputation, fines and operational disruptions if a business runs afoul of federal food labeling regulations.

Congressmen are fuming about most of the meat going into the Multiple Origins category and their apparent failure to create billions of pounds of specifically labeled U.S. beef. Additionally, they are fuming that further processing like cooking or marinating meat exempts it from mCOOL regulations or that foodservice is also exempt.

When the House Ag committee's chairman set a handful of experts to crafting compromise language to make mCOOL's costs less than draconian, the meat industry lobbyists were trying to preserve flexibility for processor management on a shift basis, one USDA official explained. He claims those who crafted the language are "chagrined" that the shift-by-shift concept has been expanded by the meat industry to putting most meat into the Multiple Origins category.

Perhaps, but we're guessing not all are chagrined.

But the thinking is that if the packers can't find some way to live with the shift basis -- and major cost increases -- and manage to supply some U.S.-only labeled meat, Congress will re- open the mCOOL section of the Farm Bill. And while they're at it, rather than just "fixing" the meat category definitions - costing millions and millions - they'll package the removal of some exemptions in the bill, the bill will pass and turn a mere costly upheaval into a bloodbath.

That doesn't really explain the power of "Thus," but it's Washington political strategic thinking to ponder.

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